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Hartigan, Patrick

2003-01-13

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It's BRUTAL in them thar hills!

Best regards,

Patrick Hartigan

-----Original Message-----

From: eric.k-@kingdesign.com [mailto:eric.k-@kingdesign.com]

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:53 AM

To: mcna-@onid.orst.edu; jmart-@earthlink.net; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist injured...

the owner drug the dog to the side of the road and threw him into a cyclist???

-----Original Message-----

From: Jeff McNamee [mailto:mcna-@onid.orst.edu]

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:47 AM

To: jmart-@earthlink.net; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist injured...

I second that!! It's not the dog's fault!!

Jeff McNamee

Graduate Assistant

Oregon State University

Exercise and Sport Science

Women's Building 004

Corvallis, OR 97330

Phone: 541-737-5932

Fax: 541-737-6613

----- Original Message -----

From: Jay <mailto:jmart-@earthlink.net> Martineau

To: ob-@topica.com

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:44 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist injured...

You might want to see about getting that dog put down.

Why is it that when an unattended dog follows it's prey instinct and chases

something on the run people say this type of thing?

Kill the owner for not properly caring for it's pet.

Jay Martineau

----- Original Message -----

From: "Pfeifle, Hank" < Hank.P-@colehaan.com>

To: < Ivan.C.-@intel.com>; " 'Dav-@Hevanet.Com'" < Dav-@hevanet.com>;

< ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:09 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist injured...

Hey, Ivan,

You might want to see about getting that dog put down. It sounds like the

same one that attacked Steve Wright about 2 years ago and put a huge bite

into Steve's thigh.

Hank

-----Original Message-----

From: Meadors, Ivan C [ mailto:Ivan.C.-@intel.com]

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:28 PM

To: 'Dav-@Hevanet.Com'; ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist injured...

Details pertaining to the cyclist/dog incident on Skyline, Saturday

morning,

January. 11;

I (Ivan Meadors) was riding with a group of Corben-HuntAir team-mates

including

Ron Magnus, Ron Feldman, Mike Mauch, Beth Whittaker plus a couple of other

cyclists; Jan Moss & Dean Lucas. We had climbed up Thompson and were

heading

west

on Skyline, looking forward to a training ride on a dry morning. As we

approached

Springville Rd, where Skyline descends then has a short intermediate

length

climb,

Mike and Dean rolled off the front by about 20 meters. Ron M, Ron F and

myself

accelerated to take advantage of the downhill. As we approached the red

barn, just

prior to where Springville Road intersects Skyline, a large shepherd dog

came charging

out from either the corner of the barn or beneath the fence. I think Ron F

was in front

of me and I remember seeing the dog only for a second or less. None of us

had a chance

to issue a warning; it appeared that the dog was intent on coming right

into

me, almost

as if it had been laying in wait to attack the bike. It was about an 80

pound dog, so when

it hit the front wheel (the dog ended up with scratches on it's nose/face,

suggesting

to me that it only contacted the wheel from the side) there was little

hope

for me

to remain upright. I somersaulted and impacted on my left shoulder blade,

at

which point

I felt/heard the clavicle/collar-bone break, followed by impacting the

back

of my helmet

on the road surface (I felt the helmet bouncing twice on the surface). I

slid for a ways,

then I either rolled off the road surface or was assisted from the road (a

brief moment

of obscurity) to the gravel on the edge. Fortunately, the riders in our

group included

two people from the medical industry (thanks Jan Moss & Dean Lucas), who

provided proper

recommendations and support. And of course, the 911 cell-phone call by Ron

!

The neighbors

in the area provided blankets and support and the dog's owner was notified

(thanks Beth).

The ambulance picked me up and that's the end of the story for about 6

weeks.

A touch of deja vu: the ambulance driver was the same one who had reacted

to

the last

call (11 years ago) for a cycling accident on Skyline in which I was

involved (but that

time it was only as an observer, not a victim).

Thank you to those who helped and to those who sent their regards ...

See you in 6 weeks

-----Original Message-----

From: David Auker [ mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.Com]

Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:36 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist injured...

In another incident, today my riding group came upon some cyclists

standing

alongside Skyline, near Thompson. One was lying down, partially covered

with blankets. Ivan Meadors evidently collided with a dog, and from what

he

said, it sounds like he injured his clavicle. He was being assisted by

the

rest of his group and at least one other person (I couldn't tell if he was

a

motorist or a resident of the area). A fire truck and ambulance arrived

shortly.

I'm thankful/hopeful it wasn't too severe an accident, as it was on a

downhill stretch.

I trust I haven't invaded Ivan's privacy by reporting this! We look

forward

to hearing details on his recovery!

Be careful out there!

David A.

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist injured...

Hi. I just read this. Was anyone else on the obra list riding with him

in

that group? Is that really how it happened? Anyone have contact info?

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2003/01/11/1b.cr.bikecrash.0111.html

-Chris

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<DIV>It's BRUTAL in them

thar hills!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

Best regards, Patrick Hartigan 

<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: eric.k-@kingdesign.com

[mailto:eric.k-@kingdesign.com] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003

11:53 AM To: mcna-@onid.orst.edu; jmart-@earthlink.net;

ob-@topica.com Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist

injured... </DIV>

<DIV>the

owner drug the dog to the side of the road and threw him into a

cyclist???</DIV>

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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: Jeff McNamee

[mailto:mcna-@onid.orst.edu] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:47

AM To: jmart-@earthlink.net; ob-@topica.com Subject:

Re: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist injured... </DIV>

<DIV>I second that!! It's not the dog's fault!!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Jeff McNamee Graduate Assistant Oregon State

University Exercise and Sport Science Women's Building 004 Corvallis,

OR 97330 Phone: 541-737-5932 Fax: 541-737-6613 </DIV>

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 <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>

 <DIV

 style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:

 <A title=jm-@earthlink.net href="mailto:jmart-@earthlink.net">Jay

 Martineau</A> </DIV>

 <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title-@topica.com

 href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> </DIV>

 <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:44

 AM</DIV>

 <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist

 injured...</DIV>

 <DIV> </DIV>> You might want to see about getting that dog put

 down. Why is it that when an unattended dog follows it's prey instinct

 and chases something on the run people say this type of

 thing? Kill the owner for not properly caring for it's

 pet. Jay Martineau ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pfeifle,

 Hank" <<A

 href="mailto:Hank.P-@colehaan.com">Hank.P-@colehaan.com</A>> To:

 <<A

 href="mailto:Ivan.C.-@intel.com">Ivan.C.-@intel.com</A>>; "<A

 href="mailto:'Dav-@Hevanet.Com'">'Dav-@Hevanet.Com'</A>" <<A

 href="mailto:Dav-@hevanet.com">Dav-@hevanet.com</A>>; <<A

 href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A>> Sent: Monday,

 January 13, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist

 injured... > Hey, Ivan, > > You might want to see

 about getting that dog put down. It sounds like the > same one that

 attacked Steve Wright about 2 years ago and put a huge bite > into

 Steve's thigh. > > Hank > > -----Original

 Message----- > From: Meadors, Ivan C [<A

 href="mailto:Ivan.C.-@intel.com">mailto:Ivan.C.-@intel.com</A>] >

 Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:28 PM > To: <A

 href="mailto:'Dav-@Hevanet.Com'">'Dav-@Hevanet.Com'</A>; <A

 href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> > Subject: [OBRA

 Chat] Cyclist injured... > > > Details pertaining to the

 cyclist/dog incident on Skyline, Saturday morning, > >

 January. 11; > I (Ivan Meadors) was riding with a group of

 Corben-HuntAir team-mates > including > Ron Magnus, Ron Feldman,

 Mike Mauch, Beth Whittaker plus a couple of other > cyclists; Jan Moss

 & Dean Lucas. We had climbed up Thompson and were heading >

 west > on Skyline, looking forward to a training ride on a dry

 morning. As we > approached > Springville Rd, where Skyline

 descends then has a short intermediate length > climb, > Mike

 and Dean rolled off the front by about 20 meters. Ron M, Ron F and >

 myself > accelerated to take advantage of the downhill. As we

 approached the red > barn, just > prior to where Springville

 Road intersects Skyline, a large shepherd dog > came charging >

 out from either the corner of the barn or beneath the fence. I think Ron

 F > was in front > of me and I remember seeing the dog only for

 a second or less. None of us > had a chance > to issue a

 warning; it appeared that the dog was intent on coming right into >

 me, almost > as if it had been laying in wait to attack the bike. It

 was about an 80 > pound dog, so when > it hit the front wheel

 (the dog ended up with scratches on it's nose/face, >

 suggesting > to me that it only contacted the wheel from the side)

 there was little hope > for me > to remain upright. I

 somersaulted and impacted on my left shoulder blade, at > which

 point > I felt/heard the clavicle/collar-bone break, followed by

 impacting the back > of my helmet > on the road surface (I

 felt the helmet bouncing twice on the surface). I > slid for a

 ways, > then I either rolled off the road surface or was assisted from

 the road (a > brief moment > of obscurity) to the gravel on the

 edge. Fortunately, the riders in our > group included > two

 people from the medical industry (thanks Jan Moss & Dean Lucas),

 who > provided proper > recommendations and support. And of

 course, the 911 cell-phone call by Ron ! > The neighbors > in

 the area provided blankets and support and the dog's owner was

 notified > (thanks Beth). > The ambulance picked me up and

 that's the end of the story for about 6 > weeks. > > A

 touch of deja vu: the ambulance driver was the same one who had

 reacted to > the last > call (11 years ago) for a cycling

 accident on Skyline in which I was > involved (but that > time

 it was only as an observer, not a victim). > > Thank you to

 those who helped and to those who sent their regards ... > See you in

 6 weeks > > > -----Original Message----- > From:

 David Auker [<A

 href="mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.Com">mailto:Dav-@Hevanet.Com</A>] >

 Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:36 PM > To: <A

 href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> > Subject: RE: [OBRA

 Chat] Cyclist injured... > > > In another incident, today

 my riding group came upon some cyclists standing > alongside

 Skyline, near Thompson. One was lying down, partially covered >

 with blankets. Ivan Meadors evidently collided with a dog, and from

 what he > said, it sounds like he injured his clavicle. He

 was being assisted by the > rest of his group and at least one

 other person (I couldn't tell if he was a > motorist or a resident

 of the area). A fire truck and ambulance arrived >

 shortly. > > I'm thankful/hopeful it wasn't too severe an

 accident, as it was on a > downhill stretch. > > I trust I

 haven't invaded Ivan's privacy by reporting this! We

 look forward > to hearing details on his recovery! > >

 Be careful out there! > > David A. > > >

 ---- > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Cyclist

 injured... > > > > Hi. I just read this. Was anyone

 else on the obra list riding with him in > > that group? Is that

 really how it happened? Anyone have contact info? > > > >

 <A

 href="http://www.registerguard.com/news/2003/01/11/1b.cr.bikecrash.0111.html">http://www.registerguard.com/news/2003/01/11/1b.cr.bikecrash.0111.html</A> >

 > > > -Chris > > > > To respond to the

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 href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A>. > To respond to the

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