Mike Murray
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From: Meadors, Ivan C [mailto:ivan.c.-@intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:41 PM
To: 'mmur-@teleport.com'
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FW: Results-Tuesday PIR
Hey, maybe we could get some tandem riders to either sit on the front or sit
on the back of the field !!!
Or maybe someone training for the time trial who wants some good, hard miles
by themselves ...
Or maybe someone who wants to ride their motorcycle around the track just
for fun
(how do you keep them from going 120mph when they are on the back of the
track by themselves ?)
I might be interested in coming out on the tandem to sit off the back ...
I have a friend who might be interested in riding his motorcycle at 110mph
on the track .....
uhh, I mean leading the field around the track
it sounds like the racing on Tuesdays is a bit different than the Monday
night format ...
I like the idea of sitting out and then just coming in as the designated
sprinter
Sort of like the filed goal kicker in football !
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Murray [mailto:mmur-@teleport.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:57 AM
To: OBRA Remailer
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Results-Tuesday PIR
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I reading these results I notice that there is at least one rider who is
listed as placing who did not complete the full distance of the race. One
rider quit with 10 or so laps to go! Since this is a points race format the
points should be used to resolve the placing of riders that are on the same
number of laps. Is it far or reasonable to place people that don't even
finish the race?
The other problem with lapped riders that was particularly bad last night is
that many people were getting dropped or stopping (often from the middle of
the field) and then re-joining the race after sitting out a lap and
continuing to sprint and chase breaks and otherwise effect the race. Even
worse they would often re-join and then get dropped again while many riders
on even laps were gapped behind them.
It appears that the most effective technique to ride PIR under the current
format would be to sit out all but the sprint laps.
Is this something that bothers just me or do other people think it is unfair
also? Does anyone have a solution?
Personally I think that we need to have a lead vehicle for each field. This
would make the officiating much easier. Lapped riders would be noted
immediately. Currently the officials have little idea if someone is a lap
down. Neutralizing when different fields pass each other would be much
safer and more fair. Officials could actually make some judgments for foul
riding. Perhaps having a designated lantern rouge rider that lapped riders
needed to stay behind would be a way to allow lapped riders to continue to
ride without effecting the race.
Mike Murray
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From: Oregon Bicycle Racing [mailto:ob-@teleport.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:10 PM
To: ob-@teleport.com
Subject: Results-Tuesday PIR
PIR Race Series
July 11, 2000
Cately 1/2/3
1st. Graham Hill, Logie velo 12 13 28
2nd. Evan Elken, Bike&Hike 12 12 24
3rd. Pietro Buttita, Bike&Hike 10 7 17
4th. Terry McLeod, Saturn of Belluvue 7 4 11
5th. Steve Wright, Logie Velo 0 9 9
6th. Charles Hailey, Team Nissan 8 8
7th/ Jeff Mitchem, Logie Velo 5 3 8
8th. John Leonard, Team S&M 3 4 7
9th. Kelly Wieber, Safeway/Sturn 6 6
10th. Corey Stayton, Wizards 0 5 5
11th. Steve Swartzendruber, Logie 4 4
12th. Jamie Mikami, Safeway/Saturn 0 2 2
13th. Duncan Oliphant, River's Edge 0 2 2
14th. Andreas Oswald, North River Racing 1 1
Category 4/5
1st. DAvid Hopper, Logie Velo 15 3 18
2nd. Nathan Hobbson,bike/Seratto 8 6 14
3rd. Eric Hopper, Logie Velo 10 3 13
4th. Sam Richardson 12 12
5th. Dominic VanHorn, Team Oregon 7 7
6th. Dean Tracy, Safeway/Saturn 6 6
7th. Pete Piva, Hutch's 5 5
8th. Patrick Edenfield 4 4
9th. Brian Spears, Lakeside 3 3
10th. Robert Nobles, Team Oreogn 2 2
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