Another cyclist injured...

Justin M. Baxter

2003-01-29

And definitely an old school, straight gauged steel frame and fork because

he's sick and tired of listening to Matthew and Mark go on and on about

their carbon and titanium rides. Mark's always all "Dude, it's the same

exact frame that Lance rides" and Matthew's all "A properly butted and

shaped ti tubeset in the hands of a master framebuilder has all the strength

and suppleness of a steel frame with a 13.4% weight savings." Even Luke has

started getting on his nerves with his "853 this and 853 that" and "Hey,

Jesus, what do you think about 853?" and "Hey Jesus, do you want to try out

my 853?"



----- Original Message -----

From: "Curt Dewees" <cur-@rivercitybicycles.com>

To: <PBar-@Barila.Net>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:02 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...





 That reminds me! I've been thinking of writing an article entitled,

"WWJR?:

 (What Would Jesus Ride?)" Bike, components, tires, gruppo, etc...

I'm thinking single-speed cross bike, with regular canti brakes. Single

speed because J.C. was a man of simplicity; canti brakes because it hardly

ever rains in Palestine (why pay the weight penalty of disc brakes?) and a

cross bike because Jesus was no stranger to pain and suffering and also,

that old favorite hynm: "the old, rugged cross."



Any thoughts?



Curt Dewees

----- Original Message -----

From: "Phil Barila" <PBar-@Barila.Net>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:10 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...





 Contrary to the belief implicit in quoted statement, a bicycle is not

capable of conferring character upon a person that doesn't already have

it. It's probably one of the better catalysts for making your true

character visible, but that's all it is. You have the option of

accepting that revealed character for what it is, or you can work on

yourself to change it, or you can surrender yourself to Jesus Christ and

let Him change you from the inside out. In no case does the bike do

that for you.



Phil



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:52 AM

To: lhop-@Huntair.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...



[snip]



"Adolf Hitler on a bicycle would be a better human

being than Mother Teresa in a car"



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2003-01-29

That reminds me! I've been thinking of writing an article entitled, "WWJR?:

(What Would Jesus Ride?)" Bike, components, tires, gruppo, etc...

I'm thinking single-speed cross bike, with regular canti brakes. Single

speed because J.C. was a man of simplicity; canti brakes because it hardly

ever rains in Palestine (why pay the weight penalty of disc brakes?) and a

cross bike because Jesus was no stranger to pain and suffering and also,

that old favorite hynm: "the old, rugged cross."



Any thoughts?



Curt Dewees

----- Original Message -----

From: "Phil Barila" <PBar-@Barila.Net>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:10 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...





 Contrary to the belief implicit in quoted statement, a bicycle is not

capable of conferring character upon a person that doesn't already have

it. It's probably one of the better catalysts for making your true

character visible, but that's all it is. You have the option of

accepting that revealed character for what it is, or you can work on

yourself to change it, or you can surrender yourself to Jesus Christ and

let Him change you from the inside out. In no case does the bike do

that for you.



Phil



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:52 AM

To: lhop-@Huntair.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...



[snip]



"Adolf Hitler on a bicycle would be a better human

being than Mother Teresa in a car"



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Michael Hoyt

2003-01-25

Wow, we've jumped from politics right into religion. Next thing you know

we'll be debating "What would Buddha ride."



As far as surrendering one's self goes, I'm as close to God as I can get

when I'm on two wheels, the wind is rushing through my ears, but it

feels like I'm not moving because I'm mesmerized by the grandeur of the

impossibly rich blue of the sky and the delicate wisps of the clouds. I

get a spontaneous smile and I feel every bit as enraptured as I do in a

pew on Sunday.



To each his own.



M



On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 11:10 AM, Phil Barila wrote:



 Contrary to the belief implicit in quoted statement, a bicycle is not

capable of conferring character upon a person that doesn't already have

it. It's probably one of the better catalysts for making your true

character visible, but that's all it is. You have the option of

accepting that revealed character for what it is, or you can work on

yourself to change it, or you can surrender yourself to Jesus Christ and

let Him change you from the inside out. In no case does the bike do

that for you.



Phil



-----Original Message-----

From: David Feldman [mailto:feldma-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:52 AM

To: lhop-@Huntair.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...



[snip]



"Adolf Hitler on a bicycle would be a better human

being than Mother Teresa in a car"



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Phil Barila

2003-01-25

Contrary to the belief implicit in quoted statement, a bicycle is not

capable of conferring character upon a person that doesn't already have

it. It's probably one of the better catalysts for making your true

character visible, but that's all it is. You have the option of

accepting that revealed character for what it is, or you can work on

yourself to change it, or you can surrender yourself to Jesus Christ and

let Him change you from the inside out. In no case does the bike do

that for you.



Phil



-----Original Message-----

From: David Feldman [mailto:feldma-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:52 AM

To: lhop-@Huntair.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...



[snip]



"Adolf Hitler on a bicycle would be a better human

being than Mother Teresa in a car"



David Feldman

2003-01-25

Indeed, due to the cultural bias in our wretched

transportation "system," we are in a similar position

to black people in Klan country 50 years ago--we can't

be perfect enough. I am one who hopes that the

present international situation doubles our gas prices

in a big hurry--it might be the only thing that ever

cracks the situation of gross overprivilege for motor

vehicle users.

David Feldman

"Adolf Hitler on a bicycle would be a better human

being than Mother Teresa in a car"

--- "Hopkins, Larry" <lhop-@Huntair.com> wrote:

 Geri,



Your email is very enlightening and heart felt with

a solid statement about reality. I agree, we need

to think differently about ourselves and our

vulnerability as cyclists. As a cyclist you put the

exclamation point where it belongs, squarely on

safety and taking responsibility for ourselves.     



Larry Hopkins



-----Original Message-----

From: Geri Bossen [mailto:GeriB-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:34 AM

To: Hopkins, Larry

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...





PLEASE be well lit. BE VERY VISIBLE



I was driving home and came upon an bike rider who I

am sure thought she was well lit-but she was almost

invisible. She had on one tail light that was

visible- the other one was aimed at the ground and

had really dead batteries. She was in the left turn

lane and I did not see that she had her arm out

because she was wearing all dark colors.



I look for riders but almost did not see her.



If someone hits you and you were very visible it

increases the chance that they will be found at

fault. If you as a cyclist are doing ANYTHING wrong

or if you are not overly visible you can be found

partially or totally at fault--even if you are not.



One thing they tried to use against me when I was

hit ---was that I was not wearing a bright colored

jersey. They actually tried to find me partially at

fault because I was wearing a blue jersey. They

tried to say I was riding recklessly because I was

going about 20 in a 35 MPH zone. They tried to say I

was at fault because I was not keeping a good look

out because I did not look for her car (traveling

the same direction in the inside lane --not the lane

next to me) to suddenly speed up and turn right in

front of me. (She was speeding up to cut in front of

Mikkel.) They tried to trick Mikkel into saying we

were riding recklessly or that I had actually been

riding on the sidewalk when she hit me.



Ride smart--follow the rules of the road--be

visible. Then if you do get hit you have a chance of

getting your medical and equipment expenses handled.





ALSO raise your PIP (personal injury protection) and

increase it to 2 years on your own car

insurance--that is what will pay for your rehab.



I always figure if you are really prepared--it will

not happen to you.



Geri Bossen



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Geri,



Your email is very enlightening and heart felt with a solid statement about reality. I agree, we need to think differently about ourselves and our vulnerability as cyclists. As a cyclist you put the exclamation point where it belongs, squarely on safety and taking responsibility for ourselves.     



Larry Hopkins



-----Original Message-----

From: Geri Bossen [mailto:GeriB-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:34 AM

To: Hopkins, Larry

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...





PLEASE be well lit. BE VERY VISIBLE



I was driving home and came upon an bike rider who I am sure thought she was well lit-but she was almost invisible. She had on one tail light that was visible- the other one was aimed at the ground and had really dead batteries. She was in the left turn lane and I did not see that she had her arm out because she was wearing all dark colors.



I look for riders but almost did not see her.



If someone hits you and you were very visible it increases the chance that they will be found at fault. If you as a cyclist are doing ANYTHING wrong or if you are not overly visible you can be found partially or totally at fault--even if you are not.



One thing they tried to use against me when I was hit ---was that I was not wearing a bright colored jersey. They actually tried to find me partially at fault because I was wearing a blue jersey. They tried to say I was riding recklessly because I was going about 20 in a 35 MPH zone. They tried to say I was at fault because I was not keeping a good look out because I did not look for her car (traveling the same direction in the inside lane --not the lane next to me) to suddenly speed up and turn right in front of me. (She was speeding up to cut in front of Mikkel.) They tried to trick Mikkel into saying we were riding recklessly or that I had actually been riding on the sidewalk when she hit me.



Ride smart--follow the rules of the road--be visible. Then if you do get hit you have a chance of getting your medical and equipment expenses handled.



ALSO raise your PIP (personal injury protection) and increase it to 2 years on your own car insurance--that is what will pay for your rehab.



I always figure if you are really prepared--it will not happen to you.



Geri Bossen







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[mailto:GeriB-@hotmail.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 20, 2003 9:34

AM<BR><B>To:</B> Hopkins, Larry<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Another

cyclist injured...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT

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<P>PLEASE be well lit. BE VERY VISIBLE</FONT><FONT size=2><FONT

face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></P></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>

<P>I was driving home and came upon an bike rider who I am sure thought she

was well lit-but she was almost invisible. She had on one tail light that was

visible- the other one was aimed at the ground and had really dead batteries.

She was in the left turn lane and I did not see that she had her arm out

because she was wearing all dark colors.</P>

<P>I look for riders but almost did not see her. </P>

<P>If someone hits you and you were very visible it increases the chance that

they will be found at fault. If you as a cyclist are doing ANYTHING wrong or

if you are not overly visible you can be found partially or totally at

fault--even if you are not. </P>

<P>One thing they tried to use against me when I was hit ---was that I was not

wearing a bright colored jersey. They actually tried to find me partially at

fault because I was wearing a blue jersey. They tried to say I was riding

recklessly because I was going about 20 in a 35 MPH zone. They tried to say I

was at fault because I was not keeping a good look out because I did not look

for her car (traveling the same direction in the inside lane --not the lane

next to me) to suddenly speed up and turn right in front of me. (She was

speeding up to cut in front of Mikkel.) They tried to trick Mikkel into saying

we were riding recklessly or that I had actually been riding on the sidewalk

when she hit me. </P>

<P>Ride smart--follow the rules of the road--be visible. Then if you do get

hit you have a chance of getting your medical and equipment expenses handled.

</P>

<P>ALSO raise your PIP (personal injury protection) and increase it to 2 years

on your own car insurance--that is what will pay for your rehab. </P>

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I was riding about 25 miles per hour in broad daylight on Boons Ferry Rd last March when a vehicle decided to shoot the gap between two oncoming cars. I was in the gap and suddenly staring at the side of a a 4x4 pickup. I decided to lay the bike down hoping to scrub some speed.   I hit the vehicle just as he stopped which was lucky because part of my body and bike ended up somewhere between the front and rear wheels. I managed to escape with a wrenched shoulder and some abrasions and soreness.



My advice is..... never trust a motorist to see you in traffic, NEVER. It doesn't matter how safely we think we are riding, people in cars and trucks are not looking out for us when they are trying to go somewhere. If you have ever ridden past a church parking lot at 12:15 you know what I mean. My sympathy goes out to Kent because of the accident and my hope is that this becomes an example of what can happen, even under the best of circumstances.



Safe riding to all.



Larry Hopkins



      

-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Schultz [mailto:schult-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist injured...







Kent Heli was struck by a vehicle two days ago on SE Woodstock. Kent was heading east on Woodstock and was accelerating out of a stop when a full-sized delivery van that was facing west in the center turn lane decided to shoot the gap between two cars. Unfortunately for all of us, Kent was occupying the gap. He was well lit and riding safely, but the van just didn't see him. Kent broke the windshield with his helmet (thankfully, not his head), and mangled the fender and busted the headlight with his body. Thanks to the helmet and a whole bunch of luck, his only serious injury is a broken radius and ulna in his left arm. The tendons in his wrist are mostly destroyed as well. He has been operated on and seems to be recovering ok. So with a few metal plates, some screws, a few months' recovery and a couple days of training, Kent should be back out there leading the pack for everyone. Please keep him in your prayers.



His advice to everyone: "Watch out for big, white vans."



Brian Schultz, Los Ciclistas!



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=802561605-17012003>I was

riding about 25 miles per hour in broad daylight on Boons Ferry Rd last

March when a vehicle decided to shoot the gap between two oncoming cars.  I

was in the gap and suddenly staring at the side of a a 4x4 pickup.  I

decided to lay the bike down hoping to scrub some speed.   I hit

the vehicle just as he stopped which was lucky because part of my body and

bike ended up somewhere between the front and rear wheels. 

I managed to escape with a wrenched shoulder and some abrasions and

soreness.  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN

class=802561605-17012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=802561605-17012003>My

advice is..... never trust a motorist to see you in traffic,

NEVER.  It doesn't matter how safely we think we are riding,

people in cars and trucks are not looking out for us when they are trying

to go somewhere.  If you have ever ridden past a church parking lot

at 12:15 you know what I mean.  My sympathy goes out

to Kent because of the accident and my hope is that this becomes

an example of what can happen, even under the best of

circumstances.  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN

class=802561605-17012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=802561605-17012003>Safe

riding to all.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN

class=802561605-17012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN

class=802561605-17012003>Larry Hopkins</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

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class=802561605-17012003></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original

Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Brian Schultz

[mailto:schult-@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14

PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Another cyclist

injured...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>

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<P>Kent Heli was struck by a vehicle two days ago on SE Woodstock.  Kent

was heading east on Woodstock and was accelerating out of a stop when a

full-sized delivery van that was facing west in the center turn lane decided

to shoot the gap between two cars.  Unfortunately for all of us, Kent was

occupying the gap.  He was well lit and riding safely, but the van just

didn't see him.  Kent broke the windshield with his helmet (thankfully,

not his head), and mangled the fender and busted the headlight with his

body.  Thanks to the helmet and a whole bunch of luck, his only serious

injury is a broken radius and ulna in his left arm.  The tendons

in his wrist are mostly destroyed as well.  He has been operated on

and seems to be recovering ok.  So with a few metal plates, some screws,

a few months' recovery and a couple days of training, Kent should be back out

there leading the pack for everyone.  Please keep him in your

prayers.</P>

<P>His advice to everyone: "Watch out for big, white vans."</P>

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Kent Heli was struck by a vehicle two days ago on SE Woodstock. Kent was heading east on Woodstock and was accelerating out of a stop when a full-sized delivery van that was facing west in the center turn lane decided to shoot the gap between two cars. Unfortunately for all of us, Kent was occupying the gap. He was well lit and riding safely, but the van just didn't see him. Kent broke the windshield with his helmet (thankfully, not his head), and mangled the fender and busted the headlight with his body. Thanks to the helmet and a whole bunch of luck, his only serious injury is a broken radius and ulna in his left arm. The tendons in his wrist are mostly destroyed as well. He has been operated on and seems to be recovering ok. So with a few metal plates, some screws, a few months' recovery and a couple days of training, Kent should be back out there leading the pack for everyone. Please keep him in your prayers.



His advice to everyone: "Watch out for big, white vans."



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<P>Kent Heli was struck by a vehicle two days ago on SE Woodstock.  Kent was heading east on Woodstock and was accelerating out of a stop when a full-sized delivery van that was facing west in the center turn lane decided to shoot the gap between two cars.  Unfortunately for all of us, Kent was occupying the gap.  He was well lit and riding safely, but the van just didn't see him.  Kent broke the windshield with his helmet (thankfully, not his head), and mangled the fender and busted the headlight with his body.  Thanks to the helmet and a whole bunch of luck, his only serious injury is a broken radius and ulna in his left arm.  The tendons in his wrist are mostly destroyed as well.  He has been operated on and seems to be recovering ok.  So with a few metal plates, some screws, a few months' recovery and a couple days of training, Kent should be back out there leading the pack for everyone.  Please keep him in your prayers.</P>

<P>His advice to everyone: "Watch out for big, white vans."</P>

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