Alfalfa shrine

Ted Gresh

2003-05-30



Between the thoughts posted on this thread and the ?crazy drivers?

thread I have to say some of you make me embarrassed to be a cyclist. It

appears in some of your minds, a cyclist can do no wrong and anyone one

in a car who gets mad at a cyclist has an IQ of 10 and is one step away

from attempted murder. I have been a bike commuter and cyclist for close

to twenty years and I just have not found that to be the case. In fact I

would argue the opposite. It is the cyclists who leave me wondering how

many brain cells occupy the space under their helmet?if they are even

wearing one.



First let me say this?This is an elite list serv of people that respect,

love, and are passionate about the sport of cycling. We are not your

run-of-the-mill cyclists. The run-of-the-mill cyclist is the one wearing

sneakers on a Costco Mountain bike, with chain that squeaks, and no

helmet while they weave back and forth pedaling on the shoulder of the

road. This is important to remember because motorists do not see a

difference between that person and one of you on your carbon fiber ride

cranking up in the west hills. They more than likely expect the same

erratic behavior and so may see you as a run-of-the-mill cyclists even

though you do everything in you can to NOT be like that. People remember

the cyclist that gets in their way?if you ride responsibly I?d bet you

are not even noticed by the majority of motorists.



Secondly, I cut my teeth as a bike commuter in Boston, Mass. Boston is

arguably one of the least friendly bike cities out there. In my years

riding there and in the NW I have never experienced anything remotely

close to the motorist behavior described here. I have been flipped off,

yelled at, and cut-off (though rarely intentionally) but no one has EVER

taken the time to come at me and threaten to bash in my skull. Reading

this list makes it seem like a daily occurrence around here and I just

do not believe it to be true. I do not mean to discount what has

happened to people, but it just does not sit well with me to make the

driving community out to be a bunch of cyclist hating wackos?especially

since I also consider myself a motorist.



It is my experience that a cyclist?s biggest threat is not the diver who

hates cyclists, though they may be a very vocal minority, it is the

silent majority of those that are oblivious to cyclists?and it is there

that a community we must make an attempt to reduce the numbers of those

people. Riding responsibly, which by the way last time I checked did not

include riding three-abreast ANYWHERE, is the best means available to do

increase awareness and respect between motorists and cyclists.



Riding a bike, even to the store for a loaf of bread, is dangerous

business. We take on the responsibility for our safety every time we

chose to ride. We should not expect the rest of the world to look out

for us. That is just a sad reality. This does not give motorists to come

at us with tire-irons either, but that does not mean we should paint

everyone behind the wheel of a car as thoughtless thugs?if you think

that then take a long look at yourself in the rearview mirror next time

you are driving somewhere.



Ted Gresh



Steve Brown wrote:

 First, this sounds like an urban legend. Second, if you cannot see far

enough ahead of your vehicle to be able to stop if there is something in

the

road you are traveling too fast. This is common sense and old drivers

manual

stuff.



Steve Brown





on 5/28/03 11:05 PM, John Judy at john_-@attbi.com wrote:



While it's sad that this persons wife died because she was incapable of

operating a motor vehicle correctly, it's no excuse for a very public

and

very violent threat to cyclists. His display is sick and so is he. I

find

it incredible and depressing that this sort of thing is tolerated

anywhere.

It's not artwork, it's an attempt to intimidate and incite violence.

There

very fact that he uses his automobile as a billboard advocating violence

against legal, legitimate road users would be reason enough to deny him

use

of the road in any sane, just environment.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:29 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Alfalfa shrine



I thought someone would beat me to it, but it hasn't happened so I feel

I

must clarify about the car sculpture with the mangled bike on the front.

It

truly does say 'I road in the middle of the road' on the side, but more

explanation is necessary. The guy who put it there had this incentive-

His

wife was driving that road which is popular with cyclists when she came

around a bend to find three riders abreast in her lane. In avoiding

them,

she went off the road and rolled her car.

I don't believe the creator of this 'artwork' is out looking for

cyclists to

run over, but wants the riders of that road to understand sharing and

that

what we do does have risk, even when we're out there with caring

drivers.

Be careful out there.

cary

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2003-05-30



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First, this sounds like an urban legend. Second, if you cannot see far

enough ahead of your vehicle to be able to stop if there is something in the

road you are traveling too fast. This is common sense and old drivers manual

stuff.



Steve Brown





on 5/28/03 11:05 PM, John Judy at john_-@attbi.com wrote:



While it's sad that this persons wife died because she was incapable of

operating a motor vehicle correctly, it's no excuse for a very public and

very violent threat to cyclists. His display is sick and so is he. I find

it incredible and depressing that this sort of thing is tolerated anywhere.

It's not artwork, it's an attempt to intimidate and incite violence. There

very fact that he uses his automobile as a billboard advocating violence

against legal, legitimate road users would be reason enough to deny him use

of the road in any sane, just environment.

-----Original Message-----

From: Cary Mallon [mailto:car-@gorge.net]

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:29 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Alfalfa shrine



I thought someone would beat me to it, but it hasn't happened so I feel I

must clarify about the car sculpture with the mangled bike on the front. It

truly does say 'I road in the middle of the road' on the side, but more

explanation is necessary. The guy who put it there had this incentive- His

wife was driving that road which is popular with cyclists when she came

around a bend to find three riders abreast in her lane. In avoiding them,

she went off the road and rolled her car.

I don't believe the creator of this 'artwork' is out looking for cyclists to

run over, but wants the riders of that road to understand sharing and that

what we do does have risk, even when we're out there with caring drivers.

Be careful out there.

cary

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First, this sounds like an urban legend.  Second, if you cannot see far enough ahead of your vehicle to be able to stop if there is something in the road you are traveling too fast. This is common sense and old drivers manual stuff.<BR>

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Steve Brown<BR>

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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE="2">While it's sad that this persons wife died because she was incapable of operating a motor vehicle correctly, it's no excuse for a very public and very violent threat to cyclists.  His display is sick and so is he.  I find it incredible and depressing  that this sort of thing is tolerated anywhere.  It's not artwork, it's an attempt to intimidate and incite violence.  There very fact that he uses his automobile as a billboard advocating violence against legal, legitimate road users would be reason enough to deny him use of the road in any sane, just environment.<BR>

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</FONT>I thought someone would beat me to it, but it hasn't happened so I feel I must clarify about the car sculpture with the mangled bike on the front.  It truly does say 'I road in the middle of the road' on the side, but more explanation is necessary.  The guy who put it there had this incentive- His wife was driving that road which is popular with cyclists when she came around a bend to find three riders abreast in her lane.  In avoiding them, she went off the road and rolled her car.  <BR>

I don't believe the creator of this 'artwork' is out looking for cyclists to run over, but wants the riders of that road to understand sharing and that what we do does have risk, even when we're out there with caring drivers.  <BR>

Be careful out there.<BR>

cary<BR>

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While it's sad that this persons wife died because she was incapable of

operating a motor vehicle correctly, it's no excuse for a very public

and very violent threat to cyclists. His display is sick and so is he.

I find it incredible and depressing that this sort of thing is

tolerated anywhere. It's not artwork, it's an attempt to intimidate and

incite violence. There very fact that he uses his automobile as a

billboard advocating violence against legal, legitimate road users would

be reason enough to deny him use of the road in any sane, just

environment.



-----Original Message-----

From: Cary Mallon [mailto:car-@gorge.net]

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:29 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Alfalfa shrine





I thought someone would beat me to it, but it hasn't happened so I feel

I must clarify about the car sculpture with the mangled bike on the

front. It truly does say 'I road in the middle of the road' on the

side, but more explanation is necessary. The guy who put it there had

this incentive- His wife was driving that road which is popular with

cyclists when she came around a bend to find three riders abreast in her

lane. In avoiding them, she went off the road and rolled her car.

I don't believe the creator of this 'artwork' is out looking for

cyclists to run over, but wants the riders of that road to understand

sharing and that what we do does have risk, even when we're out there

with caring drivers.

Be careful out there.

cary

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persons wife died because she was incapable of operating a motor vehicle

correctly, it's no excuse for a very public and very violent threat to

cyclists.  His display is sick and so is he.  I find it incredible

and depressing  that this sort of thing is tolerated anywhere. 

It's not artwork, it's an attempt to intimidate and incite violence.  There

very fact that he uses his automobile as a billboard advocating violence against

legal, legitimate road users would be reason enough to deny him use of the road

in any sane, just environment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cary Mallon

[mailto:car-@gorge.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:29

PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Alfalfa

shrine<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>I thought someone would beat me to it, but it hasn't

happened so I feel I must clarify about the car sculpture with the mangled

bike on the front.  It truly does say 'I road in the middle of the road'

on the side, but more explanation is necessary.  The guy who put it there

had this incentive- His wife was driving that road which is popular with

cyclists when she came around a bend to find three riders abreast in her

lane.  In avoiding them, she went off the road and rolled her car. 

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<DIV><FONT size=2>I don't believe the creator of this 'artwork' is out looking

for cyclists to run over, but wants the riders of that road to understand

sharing and that what we do does have risk, even when we're out there with

caring drivers.  </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>Be careful out there.</FONT></DIV>

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I thought someone would beat me to it, but it hasn't happened so I feel I must clarify about the car sculpture with the mangled bike on the front. It truly does say 'I road in the middle of the road' on the side, but more explanation is necessary. The guy who put it there had this incentive- His wife was driving that road which is popular with cyclists when she came around a bend to find three riders abreast in her lane. In avoiding them, she went off the road and rolled her car.

I don't believe the creator of this 'artwork' is out looking for cyclists to run over, but wants the riders of that road to understand sharing and that what we do does have risk, even when we're out there with caring drivers.

Be careful out there.

cary

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<DIV><FONT size=2>I thought someone would beat me to it, but it hasn't happened

so I feel I must clarify about the car sculpture with the mangled bike on the

front.  It truly does say 'I road in the middle of the road' on the side,

but more explanation is necessary.  The guy who put it there had this

incentive- His wife was driving that road which is popular with cyclists when

she came around a bend to find three riders abreast in her lane.  In

avoiding them, she went off the road and rolled her car.  </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT size=2>I don't believe the creator of this 'artwork' is out looking

for cyclists to run over, but wants the riders of that road to understand

sharing and that what we do does have risk, even when we're out there with

caring drivers.  </FONT></DIV>

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