Edgefield call-ups?

marky mark

2013-11-05

It seems Geographic location has more of an impact on how important our state championship is. No conversation last year about call ups when the state championship was in Eugene . 6 clydesdale , 2 fixed gears, 14 master A men, 21 master B men, 20 master C, 11 A men, 4 A woman, 6 Woman B. You get the point . Check 2012 OBRA Championships to see the entire results.
Just sayin (I just looked at 2011 state championships to see where it happened. It also occurred in Eugene. The largest field was 26 in master C men.

T Shreve

> On Nov 4, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "John Wilson" wrote:
>
> Ron, I know you are half serious and half poking fun.
>
> To me it depends on what we want the State Championships to stand for in OBRA. If we don’t care, or put any achievement value on who won or got on the podium last year then who cares.
>
> If we want winning a state championship to be a meaningful accomplishment then we should pay it some respect by at least remembering & recognizing who.
>
> John
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:56 PM
> To: Jeff Tedder; Luke DeMoe; T. Kenji Sugahara
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Ken McLarty
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> You make me laugh people.
> If these ex / current champions leaders are so good.....then in my opinion they (me included in this call-up “junk”) should be called up to the back of the field and watched closely by officials...that we do not bowling ball our way through the non called up riders. If we do treat them as pins.....we should be relegated.
> We are the best racers correct? Why not earn it “each time” instead of being pretty much given it on race day?
> Ah! This is the talk of heathens. Guess that is me.
> ron
>
> From: Jeff Tedder
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:18 PM
> To: Luke DeMoe ; T. Kenji Sugahara
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; Ken McLarty
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> heck ya, I think all masters world track champions should get free entry and a call up..... : ) just sayin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Luke DeMoe
> To: T. Kenji Sugahara
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; Ken McLarty
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> No call ups for returning champs like national s?
>
> On Nov 4, 2013 1:29 PM, "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:
> I gave Ken McLarty a suggested call-up. (combination of GPET, Crusade and BAR)
>
> Ken- any decisions yet?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Thom Schoenborn
> wrote:
> > Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
> > some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
> >
> > Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
> > tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
> >
> > Thom
> >
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John Wilson

2013-11-05

Ron, I know you are half serious and half poking fun.

To me it depends on what we want the State Championships to stand for in OBRA. If we don’t care, or put any achievement value on who won or got on the podium last year then who cares.

If we want winning a state championship to be a meaningful accomplishment then we should pay it some respect by at least remembering & recognizing who.

John

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:56 PM
To: Jeff Tedder; Luke DeMoe; T. Kenji Sugahara
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Ken McLarty
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

You make me laugh people.

If these ex / current champions leaders are so good.....then in my opinion they (me included in this call-up “junk”) should be called up to the back of the field and watched closely by officials...that we do not bowling ball our way through the non called up riders. If we do treat them as pins.....we should be relegated.

We are the best racers correct? Why not earn it “each time” instead of being pretty much given it on race day?

Ah! This is the talk of heathens. Guess that is me.

ron

From: Jeff Tedder

Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:18 PM

To: Luke DeMoe ; T. Kenji Sugahara

Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; Ken McLarty

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

heck ya, I think all masters world track champions should get free entry and a call up..... : ) just sayin

----- Original Message -----

From: Luke DeMoe

To: T. Kenji Sugahara

Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; Ken McLarty

Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

No call ups for returning champs like national s?

On Nov 4, 2013 1:29 PM, "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:

I gave Ken McLarty a suggested call-up. (combination of GPET, Crusade and BAR)

Ken- any decisions yet?

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:
> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
> some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>
> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
> tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>
> Thom
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Mike Murray

2013-11-04

Not to mention broken ankles and such in the fray.

Mike Murray

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Tedder
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:51 AM
To: Roger Joys (Maillists); Chris Valencia
Cc: Leibowitz, Flo; OBRA list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

Ya I recall we did this at the SS worlds a few years ago and many folks had
issues that wheel and spokes got ran over, stepped and broke etc.....this
also happened at the PIR short track team relay one year and the same
results...so not sure most would be in favor of that : ) not sure...

---- Original Message -----

From: Roger Joys (Maillists)

To: Chris Valencia

Cc: Leibowitz, Flo ; OBRA list

Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

I vote for a LeMond start. Watch out for the starting gun shot though!

On Nov 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Chris Valencia wrote:

I always wanted to do a LeMans start. LeMans start!

On Nov 4, 2013 11:29 AM, "Leibowitz, Flo"
wrote:

LeMans start !! Make em run for it :)

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Jeff Tedder [sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Brooke Hoyer; Thom Schoenborn
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you start in
the order you get to the race : )

----- Original Message -----

From: Brooke Hoyer

To: Thom Schoenborn

Cc: OBRA

Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for
the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup
order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by
AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor
referenced in race flyers.

In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there
could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers
event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.

Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR
might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.

My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship
specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means
series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's
what it means.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:

Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them.
The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the
Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer
wrote:

>From OBRA rules:

16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,

information pamphlet, or at registration.

Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules
have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers
to understand the rules and plan accordingly.

IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.

Brooke Hoyer

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:

I say first come first serve. Fair.

On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:

Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?

Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.

Thom

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rondot@spiritone.com

2013-11-04

You make me laugh people.
If these ex / current champions leaders are so good.....then in my opinion they (me included in this call-up “junk”) should be called up to the back of the field and watched closely by officials...that we do not bowling ball our way through the non called up riders. If we do treat them as pins.....we should be relegated.
We are the best racers correct? Why not earn it “each time” instead of being pretty much given it on race day?
Ah! This is the talk of heathens. Guess that is me.
ron

From: Jeff Tedder
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:18 PM
To: Luke DeMoe ; T. Kenji Sugahara
Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; Ken McLarty
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

heck ya, I think all masters world track champions should get free entry and a call up..... : ) just sayin

----- Original Message -----
From: Luke DeMoe
To: T. Kenji Sugahara
Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; Ken McLarty
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

No call ups for returning champs like national s?

On Nov 4, 2013 1:29 PM, "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:

I gave Ken McLarty a suggested call-up. (combination of GPET, Crusade and BAR)

Ken- any decisions yet?

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:
> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
> some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>
> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
> tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>
> Thom
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Ken McLarty

2013-11-04

Yes I have. We will call up 5 riders from each of the following for each category. Obra BAR, GPET, and the Cross Crusade. Duplicates will not be used, so we'll end up with the fastest 15 people up front.

This will be posted tomorrow on the chat, and on our Facebook page.

Any question?

Best,

Ken McLarty

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2013, at 13:27, "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:
>
> I gave Ken McLarty a suggested call-up. (combination of GPET, Crusade and BAR)
>
> Ken- any decisions yet?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Thom Schoenborn
> wrote:
>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
>> some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>
>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
>> tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>
>> Thom
>>
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Jeff Tedder

2013-11-04

heck ya, I think all masters world track champions should get free entry and a call up..... : ) just sayin

----- Original Message -----
From: Luke DeMoe
To: T. Kenji Sugahara
Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; Ken McLarty
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

No call ups for returning champs like national s?

On Nov 4, 2013 1:29 PM, "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:

I gave Ken McLarty a suggested call-up. (combination of GPET, Crusade and BAR)

Ken- any decisions yet?

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:
> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
> some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>
> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
> tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>
> Thom
>
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Candi Murray

2013-11-04

I don't believe that OBRA has a national championship ;-)

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Luke DeMoe
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 1:59 PM
To: T. Kenji Sugahara
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Ken McLarty
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

No call ups for returning champs like national s?

On Nov 4, 2013 1:29 PM, "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:

I gave Ken McLarty a suggested call-up. (combination of GPET, Crusade and
BAR)

Ken- any decisions yet?

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:
> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points
or
> some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>
> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
> tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>
> Thom
>
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Luke DeMoe

2013-11-04

No call ups for returning champs like national s?
On Nov 4, 2013 1:29 PM, "T. Kenji Sugahara" wrote:

> I gave Ken McLarty a suggested call-up. (combination of GPET, Crusade and
> BAR)
>
> Ken- any decisions yet?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Thom Schoenborn
> wrote:
> > Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points
> or
> > some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
> >
> > Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
> > tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
> >
> > Thom
> >
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> > obra@list.obra.org
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> >
>
>
>
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T. Kenji Sugahara

2013-11-04

I gave Ken McLarty a suggested call-up. (combination of GPET, Crusade and BAR)

Ken- any decisions yet?

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:
> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
> some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>
> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
> tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>
> Thom
>
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Salvatore Collura

2013-11-04

At PSYCHO, we used BAR points for OBRA CX Champs call-ups. Seemed to work well for everyone, and the info is easily accessible online.

-sal

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2013, at 12:46 PM, "John Wilson" wrote:
>
> In the past the top 3 from the previous year are called up, then some other algorithm for the current year.
>
> My two cents: It is a GPET series race, but it is also the State Championships so in my opinion the call up should be more broad than the GPET. It is work to do this however. I have been doing this for the JCS races all year where we have a merge of JCS, GPET, Crusade call ups to try and be fair to the kids, and respect the hosting series.
>
> Another question just to make things more complex (sorry). Sometimes State Championships breaks down in 5 year increments for Adults, and I reccomend the 2 year increments for the kids.
>
> OK, now I see smoke coming out of the officials ears. Harder to score for sure.
>
> John Wilson
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Luke DeMoe
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:17 AM
> To: Brooke Hoyer
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> Callups should be returning champs from last year, then gp callups.
>
> On Nov 4, 2013 11:09 AM, "Brooke Hoyer" wrote:
> Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor referenced in race flyers.
>
> In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.
>
> Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.
>
> My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's what it means.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:
> Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:
> From OBRA rules:
>
> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>
> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>
> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>
> Brooke Hoyer
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>
> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:
> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>
> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>
> Thom
>
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John Wilson

2013-11-04

In the past the top 3 from the previous year are called up, then some other
algorithm for the current year.

My two cents: It is a GPET series race, but it is also the State
Championships so in my opinion the call up should be more broad than the
GPET. It is work to do this however. I have been doing this for the JCS
races all year where we have a merge of JCS, GPET, Crusade call ups to try
and be fair to the kids, and respect the hosting series.

Another question just to make things more complex (sorry). Sometimes State
Championships breaks down in 5 year increments for Adults, and I reccomend
the 2 year increments for the kids.

OK, now I see smoke coming out of the officials ears. Harder to score for
sure.

John Wilson

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Luke DeMoe
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:17 AM
To: Brooke Hoyer
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

Callups should be returning champs from last year, then gp callups.

On Nov 4, 2013 11:09 AM, "Brooke Hoyer" wrote:

Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for
the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup
order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by
AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor
referenced in race flyers.

In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there
could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers
event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.

Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR
might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.

My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship
specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means
series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's
what it means.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:

Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them.
The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the
Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer
wrote:

>From OBRA rules:

16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,

information pamphlet, or at registration.

Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules
have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers
to understand the rules and plan accordingly.

IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.

Brooke Hoyer

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:

I say first come first serve. Fair.

On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:

Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?

Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.

Thom

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Dan Grabski

2013-11-04

So take a page from the Brompton World Championship Le Mans start, and make everyone assemble their bike after the run. You could put the frames to one side and all the wheels piled up on the other.

What could possibly go wrong?

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2013, at 11:51, "Jeff Tedder" wrote:

> Ya I recall we did this at the SS worlds a few years ago and many folks had issues that wheel and spokes got ran over, stepped and broke etc.....this also happened at the PIR short track team relay one year and the same results...so not sure most would be in favor of that : ) not sure...
>
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Joys (Maillists)
> To: Chris Valencia
> Cc: Leibowitz, Flo ; OBRA list
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> I vote for a LeMond start. Watch out for the starting gun shot though!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Chris Valencia wrote:
>
>> I always wanted to do a LeMans start. LeMans start!
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2013 11:29 AM, "Leibowitz, Flo" wrote:
>>> LeMans start !! Make em run for it :)
>>>
>>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] on behalf of Jeff Tedder [sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:26 AM
>>> To: Brooke Hoyer; Thom Schoenborn
>>> Cc: OBRA
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>>>
>>> How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you start in the order you get to the race : )
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Brooke Hoyer
>>> To: Thom Schoenborn
>>> Cc: OBRA
>>> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>>>
>>> Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor referenced in race flyers.
>>>
>>> In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.
>>>
>>> Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.
>>>
>>> My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's what it means.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:
>>>> Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:
>>>>> From OBRA rules:
>>>>>
>>>>> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
>>>>> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brooke Hoyer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
>>>>>> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:
>>>>>>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thom
>>>>>>>
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Jeff Tedder

2013-11-04

Ya I recall we did this at the SS worlds a few years ago and many folks had issues that wheel and spokes got ran over, stepped and broke etc.....this also happened at the PIR short track team relay one year and the same results...so not sure most would be in favor of that : ) not sure...

---- Original Message -----
From: Roger Joys (Maillists)
To: Chris Valencia
Cc: Leibowitz, Flo ; OBRA list
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

I vote for a LeMond start. Watch out for the starting gun shot though!

On Nov 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Chris Valencia wrote:

I always wanted to do a LeMans start. LeMans start!

On Nov 4, 2013 11:29 AM, "Leibowitz, Flo" wrote:

LeMans start !! Make em run for it :)

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] on behalf of Jeff Tedder [sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Brooke Hoyer; Thom Schoenborn
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you start in the order you get to the race : )

----- Original Message -----
From: Brooke Hoyer
To: Thom Schoenborn
Cc: OBRA
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor referenced in race flyers.

In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.

Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.

My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's what it means.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:

Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:

From OBRA rules:

16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
information pamphlet, or at registration.

Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.

IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.

Brooke Hoyer

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:

I say first come first serve. Fair.

On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:

Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?

Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.

Thom

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Roger Joys (Maillists)

2013-11-04

I vote for a LeMond start. Watch out for the starting gun shot though!

On Nov 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Chris Valencia wrote:

> I always wanted to do a LeMans start. LeMans start!
>
> On Nov 4, 2013 11:29 AM, "Leibowitz, Flo" wrote:
> LeMans start !! Make em run for it :)
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] on behalf of Jeff Tedder [sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:26 AM
> To: Brooke Hoyer; Thom Schoenborn
> Cc: OBRA
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you start in the order you get to the race : )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brooke Hoyer
> To: Thom Schoenborn
> Cc: OBRA
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor referenced in race flyers.
>
> In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.
>
> Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.
>
> My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's what it means.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:
> Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:
> From OBRA rules:
>
> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>
> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>
> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>
> Brooke Hoyer
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>
> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:
> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>
> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>
> Thom
>
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Chris Valencia

2013-11-04

I always wanted to do a LeMans start. LeMans start!
On Nov 4, 2013 11:29 AM, "Leibowitz, Flo"
wrote:

> LeMans start !! Make em run for it :)
> ------------------------------
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] on behalf
> of Jeff Tedder [sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 04, 2013 11:26 AM
> *To:* Brooke Hoyer; Thom Schoenborn
> *Cc:* OBRA
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you
> start in the order you get to the race : )
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brooke Hoyer
> *To:* Thom Schoenborn
> *Cc:* OBRA
> *Sent:* Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order
> for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining
> callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by
> AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor
> referenced in race flyers.
>
> In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there
> could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers
> event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.
>
> Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups?
> BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.
>
> My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship
> specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means
> series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's
> what it means.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn > wrote:
>
>> Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find
>> them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all
>> the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:
>>
>>> From OBRA rules:
>>>
>>> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
>>> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>>>
>>> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These
>>> rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to
>>> racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>>>
>>> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>>>
>>> Brooke Hoyer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
>>>
>>>> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>>>> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR
>>>>> points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>>>>
>>>>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra
>>>>> fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thom
>>>>>
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Dan Grabski

2013-11-04

The times I've been down to K Falls for the Moore Cowbell races, they typically do a Le Mans style start. I think the As have to run through the sand pit.

Good times.
Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2013, at 11:31, Thom Schoenborn wrote:

> If we get to vote, I like the LeMans idea best. HOLY CRAP, that is old-school AWESOME!
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Leibowitz, Flo wrote:
>> LeMans start !! Make em run for it :)
>>
>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] on behalf of Jeff Tedder [sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:26 AM
>> To: Brooke Hoyer; Thom Schoenborn
>> Cc: OBRA
>>
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>>
>> How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you start in the order you get to the race : )
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brooke Hoyer
>> To: Thom Schoenborn
>> Cc: OBRA
>> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>>
>> Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor referenced in race flyers.
>>
>> In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.
>>
>> Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.
>>
>> My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's what it means.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:
>>> Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:
>>>> From OBRA rules:
>>>>
>>>> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
>>>> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>>>>
>>>> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>>>>
>>>> Brooke Hoyer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
>>>>> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:
>>>>>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thom
>>>>>>
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Thom Schoenborn

2013-11-04

If we get to vote, I like the LeMans idea best. HOLY CRAP, that is
old-school AWESOME!

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Leibowitz, Flo
wrote:

> LeMans start !! Make em run for it :)
> ------------------------------
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] on behalf
> of Jeff Tedder [sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 04, 2013 11:26 AM
> *To:* Brooke Hoyer; Thom Schoenborn
> *Cc:* OBRA
>
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you
> start in the order you get to the race : )
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brooke Hoyer
> *To:* Thom Schoenborn
> *Cc:* OBRA
> *Sent:* Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?
>
> Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order
> for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining
> callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by
> AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor
> referenced in race flyers.
>
> In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there
> could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers
> event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.
>
> Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups?
> BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.
>
> My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship
> specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means
> series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's
> what it means.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn > wrote:
>
>> Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find
>> them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all
>> the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:
>>
>>> From OBRA rules:
>>>
>>> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
>>> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>>>
>>> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These
>>> rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to
>>> racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>>>
>>> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>>>
>>> Brooke Hoyer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
>>>
>>>> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>>>> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR
>>>>> points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>>>>
>>>>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra
>>>>> fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thom
>>>>>
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Leibowitz, Flo

2013-11-04

LeMans start !! Make em run for it :)

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From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [obra-bounces@list.obra.org] on behalf of Jeff Tedder [sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Brooke Hoyer; Thom Schoenborn
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you start in the order you get to the race : )

----- Original Message -----
From: Brooke Hoyer
To: Thom Schoenborn
Cc: OBRA
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor referenced in race flyers.

In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.

Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.

My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's what it means.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn > wrote:
Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer > wrote:
>From OBRA rules:

16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
information pamphlet, or at registration.

Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.

IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.

Brooke Hoyer

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe > wrote:

I say first come first serve. Fair.

On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" > wrote:
Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?

Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.

Thom

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Jeff Tedder

2013-11-04

How about a mass start from downtown Portland to Edgefield.....you start in the order you get to the race : )

----- Original Message -----
From: Brooke Hoyer
To: Thom Schoenborn
Cc: OBRA
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Edgefield call-ups?

Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor referenced in race flyers.

In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.

Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.

My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's what it means.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn wrote:

Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:

From OBRA rules:

16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
information pamphlet, or at registration.

Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.

IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.

Brooke Hoyer

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:

I say first come first serve. Fair.

On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:

Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?

Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.

Thom

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Luke DeMoe

2013-11-04

Callups should be returning champs from last year, then gp callups.
On Nov 4, 2013 11:09 AM, "Brooke Hoyer" wrote:

> Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order
> for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining
> callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by
> AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor
> referenced in race flyers.
>
> In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there
> could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers
> event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.
>
> Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups?
> BAR might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.
>
> My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship
> specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means
> series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's
> what it means.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn > wrote:
>
>> Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find
>> them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all
>> the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:
>>
>>> From OBRA rules:
>>>
>>> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
>>> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>>>
>>> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These
>>> rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to
>>> racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>>>
>>> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>>>
>>> Brooke Hoyer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
>>>
>>>> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>>>> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR
>>>>> points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>>>>
>>>>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra
>>>>> fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thom
>>>>>
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Brooke Hoyer

2013-11-04

Well what do you know. The standing policy of 1) selecting call up order
for the first race of the GP series by order of prereg and 2) determining
callup order for subsequent races by series point standing as tabulated by
AthletePath.com is not actually stated anywhere on the series web page nor
referenced in race flyers.

In the absence of published rules to this effect, it appears that there
could be some debate regarding how callups could be handled at the Peddlers
event since it is part of a series *and* an OBRA championship.

Open question, how have previous OBRA CX championships handled callups? BAR
might be an equitable manner but there is no OBRA rule to that effect.

My inclination would be that in the absence of any OBRA CX championship
specific rule, the traditional manner should be employed. If this means
series points (as when the CX champs were part of Psycho Cross) then that's
what it means.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Thom Schoenborn
wrote:

> Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find
> them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all
> the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:
>
>> From OBRA rules:
>>
>> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
>> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>>
>> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These
>> rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to
>> racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>>
>> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>>
>> Brooke Hoyer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
>>
>>> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>>> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR
>>>> points or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>>>
>>>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra
>>>> fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>>>
>>>> Thom
>>>>
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Thom Schoenborn

2013-11-04

Maybe you could link to where those rules were published? I can't find
them. The site also says fields will be limited to 75 racers, so I hope all
the Master C's register quick: there's only 60 slots left.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Brooke Hoyer wrote:

> From OBRA rules:
>
> 16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
> information pamphlet, or at registration.
>
> Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These
> rules have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to
> racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.
>
> IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.
>
> Brooke Hoyer
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:
>
>> I say first come first serve. Fair.
>> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points
>>> or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>>
>>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra
>>> fair tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>>
>>> Thom
>>>
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Brooke Hoyer

2013-11-04

>From OBRA rules:

16.4.1 Call up order shall be listed on the race announcement,
information pamphlet, or at registration.

Peddlers is a GPET race and as such has published callup rules. These rules
have been in effect since the inception of the GP series. It is up to
racers to understand the rules and plan accordingly.

IMHO, atmo, HTH, and such.

Brooke Hoyer

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Luke DeMoe wrote:

> I say first come first serve. Fair.
> On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn"
> wrote:
>
>> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points
>> or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>>
>> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
>> tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>>
>> Thom
>>
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Luke DeMoe

2013-11-04

I say first come first serve. Fair.
On Nov 4, 2013 10:09 AM, "Thom Schoenborn" wrote:

> Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points
> or some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?
>
> Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
> tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.
>
> Thom
>
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Thom Schoenborn

2013-11-04

Will Edgefield call-ups be done by GP points or by cyclocross BAR points or
some other method: bib numbers? date of registration?

Being a championship and all, I wasn't sure if there was super-ultra fair
tallying method that evened the playing field for the non-Portlanders.

Thom