Stewart Campbell

If you get the road ID, get the bracelet or the necklace.  EMT's and first responders are trained to look in those 2 places for medical alert tags!!!!  Not as nice as the shoe one, but it will get noticed.

I know this from my training as a wilderness EMT years ago.

-Stewart

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From: Rick Johnson
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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?

Check out Road ID. Simple, inexpensive and comfortable. Makes a great gift!
Good idea to note any significant medical conditions on it too.

http://www.roadid.com/Common/default.aspx

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

*    *    *

On 11/19/2013 7:23 PM, mohair wrote:
> I would advise everyone to look at the following document.  It shows that people who really care have put a great deal of effort into making sure that there are as few "cracks" in the system as possible.
>
> Now I get up on my soapbox.  Bike racing is a risk sport.  You can get hurt.  You can get killed.  The good news is that there is usually someone close by who knows how to handle injuries.  Bike riding in general is a risk sport.  And there is a good chance that you will get run down by some water head who is reading email or some such while they drive. And typically you will be by yourself.  Plan for disaster: Have a Medic Alert "locket" that has at least the contact phone number (some back up numbers would be good) for someone to call in case of an emergency.  Carry a cell phone.  In a group ride there should be at least two phones available.  And ride like they're out to get you.  It's not paranoia, it's common sense.
>
> End of sermon.  Thanks
>
>
>> http://web.multco.us/sites/default/files/health/documents/2013-60_trauma_ems.pdf
>
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
>> 1.  Level 1 trauma is not just anyone who gets in an ambulance because of a
>> trauma incident.
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I used http://www.reminderband.com/ to have my custom version of RoadID
made. I got 5 (in case I lost them) for about $25 and actually have had
the same one on my wrist since 2011.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> Check out Road ID. Simple, inexpensive and comfortable. Makes a great gift!
> Good idea to note any significant medical conditions on it too.
>
> http://www.roadid.com/Common/default.aspx
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
>
> On 11/19/2013 7:23 PM, mohair wrote:
>
>> I would advise everyone to look at the following document. It shows that
>> people who really care have put a great deal of effort into making sure
>> that there are as few "cracks" in the system as possible.
>>
>> Now I get up on my soapbox. Bike racing is a risk sport. You can get
>> hurt. You can get killed. The good news is that there is usually someone
>> close by who knows how to handle injuries. Bike riding in general is a
>> risk sport. And there is a good chance that you will get run down by some
>> water head who is reading email or some such while they drive. And
>> typically you will be by yourself. Plan for disaster: Have a Medic Alert
>> "locket" that has at least the contact phone number (some back up numbers
>> would be good) for someone to call in case of an emergency. Carry a cell
>> phone. In a group ride there should be at least two phones available. And
>> ride like they're out to get you. It's not paranoia, it's common sense.
>>
>> End of sermon. Thanks
>>
>>
>> http://web.multco.us/sites/default/files/health/
>>> documents/2013-60_trauma_ems.pdf
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>>
>> 1. Level 1 trauma is not just anyone who gets in an ambulance because
>>> of a
>>> trauma incident.
>>>
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Check out Road ID. Simple, inexpensive and comfortable. Makes a great gift!
Good idea to note any significant medical conditions on it too.

http://www.roadid.com/Common/default.aspx

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

On 11/19/2013 7:23 PM, mohair wrote:
> I would advise everyone to look at the following document. It shows that people who really care have put a great deal of effort into making sure that there are as few "cracks" in the system as possible.
>
> Now I get up on my soapbox. Bike racing is a risk sport. You can get hurt. You can get killed. The good news is that there is usually someone close by who knows how to handle injuries. Bike riding in general is a risk sport. And there is a good chance that you will get run down by some water head who is reading email or some such while they drive. And typically you will be by yourself. Plan for disaster: Have a Medic Alert "locket" that has at least the contact phone number (some back up numbers would be good) for someone to call in case of an emergency. Carry a cell phone. In a group ride there should be at least two phones available. And ride like they're out to get you. It's not paranoia, it's common sense.
>
> End of sermon. Thanks
>
>
>> http://web.multco.us/sites/default/files/health/documents/2013-60_trauma_ems.pdf
>
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
>> 1. Level 1 trauma is not just anyone who gets in an ambulance because of a
>> trauma incident.
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mohair

I would advise everyone to look at the following document. It shows that people who really care have put a great deal of effort into making sure that there are as few "cracks" in the system as possible.

Now I get up on my soapbox. Bike racing is a risk sport. You can get hurt. You can get killed. The good news is that there is usually someone close by who knows how to handle injuries. Bike riding in general is a risk sport. And there is a good chance that you will get run down by some water head who is reading email or some such while they drive. And typically you will be by yourself. Plan for disaster: Have a Medic Alert "locket" that has at least the contact phone number (some back up numbers would be good) for someone to call in case of an emergency. Carry a cell phone. In a group ride there should be at least two phones available. And ride like they're out to get you. It's not paranoia, it's common sense.

End of sermon. Thanks

> http://web.multco.us/sites/default/files/health/documents/2013-60_trauma_ems.pdf

On Nov 19, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

> 1. Level 1 trauma is not just anyone who gets in an ambulance because of a
> trauma incident.

Mike Murray

1. Level 1 trauma is not just anyone who gets in an ambulance because of a
trauma incident. Level 1 trauma patients should meet specific criteria.
(http://web.multco.us/sites/default/files/health/documents/2013-60_trauma_em
s.pdf). They are only transported to the Level 1 trauma hospitals in ATAB 1
(Multnomah, Clackamas and Washington county essentially). These are Legacy
Emanuel and OHSU. If Mark is correct on this, that means you could have,
for example, an open tibia fracture and the police will not compete a
report. Practically there is so much over triage in the system it is
unlikely that you will even get tapped by a car, have an ambulance arrive
and NOT be transported to a trauma hospital. In the FWIW category there is
a significant change ($1,000+) applied to the bill for trauma system
activation before anything is even done at the hospital.

3. I am not so sure about that.

4. Yes it can be subtle but if it is subtle there is rarely anything we can
do about it.

Mike

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Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 13:56
To: Barbara L; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?

Barbara,

you can call and we can chat a bit about your options, this is all I do for
a living. Ask others about me.

Everyone else,

1. Portland police won't do a police report for a cyclist unless you are
entered into the level one trauma system. they CAN do one for injuries less
than that, but are not required to do so. this does not mean you can not
establish fault. By and through insurance companies you can, and also if
that fails, by litigation.
2. In Oregon, if you own your own car and are hit while on your bicycle,
your car insurance can pay your medical expenses. It can also pay some other
expenses, depending on the facts.
3. Mike Murray is very insightful.
4. Head trauma can be subtle.

�
Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
www.berkshireginsberglaw.com

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:01 AM, Barbara L wrote:
Thanks everyone for the helpful replies. Today is 1st day up for very long &
not some much on the pain meds. Since it happened at the end of the business
week I wanted to make sure I'd done everything. I've heard from my & her
insurance co. Hopefully it will go smoothly but we are considering a lawyer.
Years ago (mid 90's) I was hit while waiting at a stop light by an impatient
driver that didn't want to wait & just turned right. Who said "you bicyclist
f__king deserve it as he ran off. I got the license plate & called the
police who blew me off.� By chance I went to my chiropractor the same day &
learned about calling my insurance co. They found the driver immediately.
The police had to do a report & encouraged me to let it go since the uncle
of the 38 yr old who hit had issues & would take care of me. They turned it
over to their insurance company who keep calling me & trying to establish
that I was > 51% at fault. This time I'm not inclined to be so nice &
trusting. Injuries last Friday more significant & painful especially now
that 60. Hate to say it but just don't bounce back up from the pavement.

Barb
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Barbara,

you can call and we can chat a bit about your options, this is all I do for a living. Ask others about me.

Everyone else,

1. Portland police won't do a police report for a cyclist unless you are entered into the level one trauma system. they CAN do one for injuries less than that, but are not required to do so. this does not mean you can not establish fault. By and through insurance companies you can, and also if that fails, by litigation.
2. In Oregon, if you own your own car and are hit while on your bicycle, your car insurance can pay your medical expenses. It can also pay some other expenses, depending on the facts.
3. Mike Murray is very insightful.
4. Head trauma can be subtle.

 
Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
www.berkshireginsberglaw.com

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:01 AM, Barbara L wrote:

Thanks everyone for the helpful replies. Today is 1st day up for very long & not some much on the pain meds. Since it happened at the end of the business week I wanted to make sure I'd done everything. I've heard from my & her insurance co. Hopefully it will go smoothly but we are considering a lawyer.
Years ago (mid 90's) I was hit while waiting at a stop light by an impatient driver that didn't want to wait & just turned right. Who said "you bicyclist f__king deserve it as he ran off. I got the license plate & called the police who blew me off.  By chance I went to my chiropractor the same day & learned about calling my insurance co. They found the driver immediately. The police had to do a report & encouraged me to let it go since the uncle of the 38 yr old who hit had issues & would take care of me. They turned it over to their insurance company who keep calling me & trying to establish that I was > 51% at fault. This time I'm not inclined to be so nice & trusting. Injuries last Friday more significant & painful especially now that 60. Hate to say it but just don't bounce back up from the pavement.

Barb
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Barbara L

Thanks everyone for the helpful replies. Today is 1st day up for very long & not some much on the pain meds. Since it happened at the end of the business week I wanted to make sure I'd done everything. I've heard from my & her insurance co. Hopefully it will go smoothly but we are considering a lawyer.
Years ago (mid 90's) I was hit while waiting at a stop light by an impatient driver that didn't want to wait & just turned right. Who said "you bicyclist f__king deserve it as he ran off. I got the license plate & called the police who blew me off. By chance I went to my chiropractor the same day & learned about calling my insurance co. They found the driver immediately. The police had to do a report & encouraged me to let it go since the uncle of the 38 yr old who hit had issues & would take care of me. They turned it over to their insurance company who keep calling me & trying to establish that I was > 51% at fault. This time I'm not inclined to be so nice & trusting. Injuries last Friday more significant & painful especially now that 60. Hate to say it but just don't bounce back up from the pavement.

Barb

rondot@spiritone.com

Professional Honesty!!! Thank you Mike Murray!
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Murray
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:42 AM
To: remailer, OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?

As the doctor that people see I don't think you need to be quite that
aggressive. If you have good recall of the whole deal, don't have a
headache, don't have nausea, can hear and see normally and all your body
parts are working OK then the chance that you have something bad that we
will find AND can do something about is small. The chance that you will get
a large bill and maybe even a dose of radiation doing unnecessary imaging
studies is high. Of course if you have any of those things come on down.
Unfortunately it is really common for people who were involved in accidents
that have absolutely no signs or symptoms to come to the ED to be "checked
out". I am glad to do it and those fees helped put my kids through college
but I always feel a little guilty.

Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:30:17
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As the doctor that people see I don't think you need to be quite that aggressive. If you have good recall of the whole deal, don't have a headache, don't have nausea, can hear and see normally and all your body parts are working OK then the chance that you have something bad that we will find AND can do something about is small. The chance that you will get a large bill and maybe even a dose of radiation doing unnecessary imaging studies is high. Of course if you have any of those things come on down. Unfortunately it is really common for people who were involved in accidents that have absolutely no signs or symptoms to come to the ED to be "checked out". I am glad to do it and those fees helped put my kids through college but I always feel a little guilty.

Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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The police will respond to any traffic incident and make a report when called. If there is a traffic violation by either party they'll be fined or in extreme cases taken to jail. The driver will be held responsible by loosing money, time, or both. But you have to call the police and you cannot leave the scene of the incident. Once you leave, without a police report filed, the only way to get compensated is to file a civil suit. Actually investigating an incident is a completely different process and may happen if fault and liability can't be determined by the parties involved and/or the insurance companies. The courts can order an investigation.

Re: Hit by car from behind What now?
Date
11/11/2013 08:50 PM
From
Stephen Salter

recently mentioned in an article in mercury or willamette weekly that the
police wont investigate an accident unless someone is taken to the hospital
in an ambulance, in other words the only way to hold the driver responsible
is to call an ambulance? basically if your struck by a car and its clearly
their fault is your best option to call the police and ambulance and go
through all that to insure that you will be compensated if something pops
up down the road like in Barbara's case?

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Andrew Osborn wrote:

> This is twenty years of public health research talking here...
>
> And, at the risk of sounding alarmist, if you strike your head in an
> accident you MUST go to the doctor's office and get checked out. While
> most times you're perfectly fine, how you feel after a wreck and what's
> going on in your noggin might be two different things. Head injuries can
> take a while to surface and they can surface in ways you might not
> recognize. So please, just to be on the safe side - you only get one head
> - make it a rule: strike your head, see a doctor and let THEM decide you're
> okay.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Daniel
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2013 2:50 PM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?
>
> You can never have too much information or communication in bike
> accidents. Contact everybody: police, dmv, insurance, and any witnesses.
> Document and photograph everything on the spot. At this point, you can
> call the DMV and file a report, call both insurance companies, and give
> non-emergency a shot, but once you've left the scene, the cops are
> typically no help. It's a civil matter now and you might have to go the
> attorney route.
>
> And it doesn't sound like the case this time, but for everybody reading
> this, when getting driver info, don't take it on their word, make sure you
> see, handle, and copy down for yourself their drivers license, insurance
> card, license plate, make, model, and color of the car or get a witness to
> do it if you're unable. When you get their phone number call it while
> they're standing in front of you to make sure it's correct. I know three
> people in the past year that have been hit by cars and did not get any
> accurate info from the driver: fake name, fake address, even one car with
> stole plates!
>
>
>
> Subject
> Hit by car from behind What now?
> Date
> 11/11/2013 06:37 AM
> From
> Barbara L
>
> Commuting home from work I was hit while stopped at SE Salmon & SE 11
> waiting for traffic to pass @ 4:30 pm. Had lights on & a reflective vest..
> I was pushed forward & then throw on my R side pinned under bike. Alnded
> arms spread eagle & helmet conacted street. Woman was sorry. Husband helped
> me up. We exchanged info. I was kina banged up & in shock not clearly
> engaged. I did not need anbulance but also not ok.
>
> I called my son working near by. He came & got me. We went directly to my
> Dr who checked me out. Took an x-ray of ankle some pain. Then dropped my
> bike off at Bike Gallery for estimate. Left a message with my Insurance Co.
>
> Been at home resting all weekend. Late Saturday strong sharp pain
> developed in low back & hip on side landed on. Hard to walk. Clear
> something else is wrong so will be revisitng the Dr today.
>
> How, Where do i file a report. Police or DMV or both? What next? I screwed
> up & did nothing wrong. Will certainly mess up any training, working...
>
> Thanks
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>

Stephen Salter

recently mentioned in an article in mercury or willamette weekly that the
police wont investigate an accident unless someone is taken to the hospital
in an ambulance, in other words the only way to hold the driver responsible
is to call an ambulance? basically if your struck by a car and its clearly
their fault is your best option to call the police and ambulance and go
through all that to insure that you will be compensated if something pops
up down the road like in Barbara's case?

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Andrew Osborn wrote:

> This is twenty years of public health research talking here...
>
> And, at the risk of sounding alarmist, if you strike your head in an
> accident you MUST go to the doctor's office and get checked out. While
> most times you're perfectly fine, how you feel after a wreck and what's
> going on in your noggin might be two different things. Head injuries can
> take a while to surface and they can surface in ways you might not
> recognize. So please, just to be on the safe side - you only get one head
> - make it a rule: strike your head, see a doctor and let THEM decide you're
> okay.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Daniel
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2013 2:50 PM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?
>
> You can never have too much information or communication in bike
> accidents. Contact everybody: police, dmv, insurance, and any witnesses.
> Document and photograph everything on the spot. At this point, you can
> call the DMV and file a report, call both insurance companies, and give
> non-emergency a shot, but once you've left the scene, the cops are
> typically no help. It's a civil matter now and you might have to go the
> attorney route.
>
> And it doesn't sound like the case this time, but for everybody reading
> this, when getting driver info, don't take it on their word, make sure you
> see, handle, and copy down for yourself their drivers license, insurance
> card, license plate, make, model, and color of the car or get a witness to
> do it if you're unable. When you get their phone number call it while
> they're standing in front of you to make sure it's correct. I know three
> people in the past year that have been hit by cars and did not get any
> accurate info from the driver: fake name, fake address, even one car with
> stole plates!
>
>
>
> Subject
> Hit by car from behind What now?
> Date
> 11/11/2013 06:37 AM
> From
> Barbara L
>
> Commuting home from work I was hit while stopped at SE Salmon & SE 11
> waiting for traffic to pass @ 4:30 pm. Had lights on & a reflective vest..
> I was pushed forward & then throw on my R side pinned under bike. Alnded
> arms spread eagle & helmet conacted street. Woman was sorry. Husband helped
> me up. We exchanged info. I was kina banged up & in shock not clearly
> engaged. I did not need anbulance but also not ok.
>
> I called my son working near by. He came & got me. We went directly to my
> Dr who checked me out. Took an x-ray of ankle some pain. Then dropped my
> bike off at Bike Gallery for estimate. Left a message with my Insurance Co.
>
> Been at home resting all weekend. Late Saturday strong sharp pain
> developed in low back & hip on side landed on. Hard to walk. Clear
> something else is wrong so will be revisitng the Dr today.
>
> How, Where do i file a report. Police or DMV or both? What next? I screwed
> up & did nothing wrong. Will certainly mess up any training, working...
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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Andrew Osborn

This is twenty years of public health research talking here...

And, at the risk of sounding alarmist, if you strike your head in an accident you MUST go to the doctor's office and get checked out.  While most times you're perfectly fine, how you feel after a wreck and what's going on in your noggin might be two different things.  Head
injuries can take a while to surface and they can surface in ways you
might not recognize.  So please, just to be on the safe side - you only
get one head - make it a rule: strike your head, see a doctor and let THEM decide you're okay.
Andrew
 

________________________________
From: Daniel
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:50 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Hit by car from behind What now?

You can never have too much information or communication in bike accidents. Contact everybody: police, dmv, insurance, and any witnesses. Document and photograph everything on the spot.  At this point, you can call the DMV and file a report, call both insurance companies, and give non-emergency a shot, but once you've left the scene, the cops are typically no help. It's a civil matter now and you might have to go the attorney route.

And it doesn't sound like the case this time, but for everybody reading this, when getting driver info, don't take it on their word, make sure you see, handle, and copy down for yourself their drivers license, insurance card, license plate, make, model, and color of the car or get a witness to do it if you're unable. When you get their phone number call it while they're standing in front of you to make sure it's correct. I know three people in the past year that have been hit by cars and did not get any accurate info from the driver: fake name, fake address, even one car with stole plates!

Subject
Hit by car from behind What now?
Date
11/11/2013 06:37 AM
From
Barbara L

Commuting home from work I was hit while stopped at SE Salmon & SE 11 waiting for traffic to pass @ 4:30 pm. Had lights on & a reflective vest.. I was pushed forward & then throw on my R side pinned under bike. Alnded arms spread eagle & helmet conacted street. Woman was sorry. Husband helped me up. We exchanged info. I was kina banged up & in shock not clearly engaged. I did not need anbulance but also not ok.

I called my son working near by. He came & got me. We went directly to my Dr who checked me out. Took an x-ray of ankle some pain. Then dropped my bike off at Bike Gallery for estimate. Left a message with my Insurance Co.

Been at home resting all weekend. Late Saturday strong sharp pain developed in low back & hip on side landed on. Hard to walk. Clear something else is wrong so will be revisitng the Dr today.

How, Where do i file a report. Police or DMV or both? What next? I screwed up & did nothing wrong. Will certainly mess up any training, working...

Thanks
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If you have auto insurance contact them as well as the carrier for the at
dault party.
On Nov 11, 2013 2:50 PM, "Daniel" wrote:

> You can never have too much information or communication in bike
> accidents. Contact everybody: police, dmv, insurance, and any witnesses.
> Document and photograph everything on the spot. At this point, you can
> call the DMV and file a report, call both insurance companies, and give
> non-emergency a shot, but once you've left the scene, the cops are
> typically no help. It's a civil matter now and you might have to go the
> attorney route.
>
> And it doesn't sound like the case this time, but for everybody reading
> this, when getting driver info, don't take it on their word, make sure you
> see, handle, and copy down for yourself their drivers license, insurance
> card, license plate, make, model, and color of the car or get a witness to
> do it if you're unable. When you get their phone number call it while
> they're standing in front of you to make sure it's correct. I know three
> people in the past year that have been hit by cars and did not get any
> accurate info from the driver: fake name, fake address, even one car with
> stole plates!
>
>
>
> Subject
> Hit by car from behind What now?
> Date
> 11/11/2013 06:37 AM
> From
> Barbara L
>
> Commuting home from work I was hit while stopped at SE Salmon & SE 11
> waiting for traffic to pass @ 4:30 pm. Had lights on & a reflective vest..
> I was pushed forward & then throw on my R side pinned under bike. Alnded
> arms spread eagle & helmet conacted street. Woman was sorry. Husband helped
> me up. We exchanged info. I was kina banged up & in shock not clearly
> engaged. I did not need anbulance but also not ok.
>
> I called my son working near by. He came & got me. We went directly to my
> Dr who checked me out. Took an x-ray of ankle some pain. Then dropped my
> bike off at Bike Gallery for estimate. Left a message with my Insurance Co.
>
> Been at home resting all weekend. Late Saturday strong sharp pain
> developed in low back & hip on side landed on. Hard to walk. Clear
> something else is wrong so will be revisitng the Dr today.
>
> How, Where do i file a report. Police or DMV or both? What next? I screwed
> up & did nothing wrong. Will certainly mess up any training, working...
>
> Thanks
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Daniel

You can never have too much information or communication in bike accidents. Contact everybody: police, dmv, insurance, and any witnesses. Document and photograph everything on the spot. At this point, you can call the DMV and file a report, call both insurance companies, and give non-emergency a shot, but once you've left the scene, the cops are typically no help. It's a civil matter now and you might have to go the attorney route.

And it doesn't sound like the case this time, but for everybody reading this, when getting driver info, don't take it on their word, make sure you see, handle, and copy down for yourself their drivers license, insurance card, license plate, make, model, and color of the car or get a witness to do it if you're unable. When you get their phone number call it while they're standing in front of you to make sure it's correct. I know three people in the past year that have been hit by cars and did not get any accurate info from the driver: fake name, fake address, even one car with stole plates!

Subject
Hit by car from behind What now?
Date
11/11/2013 06:37 AM
From
Barbara L

Commuting home from work I was hit while stopped at SE Salmon & SE 11 waiting for traffic to pass @ 4:30 pm. Had lights on & a reflective vest.. I was pushed forward & then throw on my R side pinned under bike. Alnded arms spread eagle & helmet conacted street. Woman was sorry. Husband helped me up. We exchanged info. I was kina banged up & in shock not clearly engaged. I did not need anbulance but also not ok.

I called my son working near by. He came & got me. We went directly to my Dr who checked me out. Took an x-ray of ankle some pain. Then dropped my bike off at Bike Gallery for estimate. Left a message with my Insurance Co.

Been at home resting all weekend. Late Saturday strong sharp pain developed in low back & hip on side landed on. Hard to walk. Clear something else is wrong so will be revisitng the Dr today.

How, Where do i file a report. Police or DMV or both? What next? I screwed up & did nothing wrong. Will certainly mess up any training, working...

Thanks

Mike Richardson

Barbara, very sorry to hear it. I had a similar accident a few years ago. If your pain is increasing, or not going away, talk to your doc about having an MRI. In my case, two fractured vertebrae, and knowing that helps your recovery plan for sure.

I don't know if you have to call the police now, maybe someone else knows that answer for you. Or you can call the non-emergency line and ask them. I DO know if there's any injury or damage more than $1000 both parties need to file an accident report with the DMV. Forms at any office.

You should call your auto insurance, if you have it, they'll pay for your medical and get repaid by the other company later.

From my personal experience, I'd recommend talking to a good lawyer. The consult is usually free, and they can explain your rights and choices to you. I waited, and tried to deal with the other company myself, and wish I'd talked to my lawyer earlier.

Obra has at least one awesome lawyer, perhaps he'll contact you.

So sorry you're hurt, hope you have a smooth recovery, feel free to eMail me off-list if you have other questions!

Mike

PS - write down all the details you can remember right away. Will come in handy later.

On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Barbara L wrote:

> Commuting home from work I was hit while stopped at SE Salmon & SE 11 waiting for traffic to pass @ 4:30 pm. Had lights on & a reflective vest.. I was pushed forward & then throw on my R side pinned under bike. Alnded arms spread eagle & helmet conacted street. Woman was sorry. Husband helped me up. We exchanged info. I was kina banged up & in shock not clearly engaged. I did not need anbulance but also not ok.
>
> I called my son working near by. He came & got me. We went directly to my Dr who checked me out. Took an x-ray of ankle some pain. Then dropped my bike off at Bike Gallery for estimate. Left a message with my Insurance Co.
>
> Been at home resting all weekend. Late Saturday strong sharp pain developed in low back & hip on side landed on. Hard to walk. Clear something else is wrong so will be revisitng the Dr today.
>
> How, Where do i file a report. Police or DMV or both? What next? I screwed up & did nothing wrong. Will certainly mess up any training, working...
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
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> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Barbara L

Commuting home from work I was hit while stopped at SE Salmon & SE 11 waiting for traffic to pass @ 4:30 pm. Had lights on & a reflective vest.. I was pushed forward & then throw on my R side pinned under bike. Alnded arms spread eagle & helmet conacted street. Woman was sorry. Husband helped me up. We exchanged info. I was kina banged up & in shock not clearly engaged. I did not need anbulance but also not ok.

I called my son working near by. He came & got me. We went directly to my Dr who checked me out. Took an x-ray of ankle some pain. Then dropped my bike off at Bike Gallery for estimate. Left a message with my Insurance Co.

Been at home resting all weekend. Late Saturday strong sharp pain developed in low back & hip on side landed on. Hard to walk. Clear something else is wrong so will be revisitng the Dr today.

How, Where do i file a report. Police or DMV or both? What next? I screwed up & did nothing wrong. Will certainly mess up any training, working...

Thanks