Josh Spivey
OK. I¹ll do it since we¹re headed to this post eventually anyway! Thank you
to Brad and the race promoters for trying to come up with a system that is
pretty dang reasonable and gives us all a reason to pretend it¹s something
other than our own genetics and effort that makes us slower than the next
guy. #highroad #runonsentencesrule
On 11/11/13 2:41 PM, "matt Savage" wrote:
> I agree with some of these guys... It doesn't always matter where you start
> cause you'll always finish in about the same spot every race. Doesn't matter
> if its mtb, short track, or cross, start in the front row or the back...
> Every singlespeed race I've done I've finish just about top dead center.
> Even yesterday, I stopped to pound 3 beers, grab some cash, and even ducked
> out to take a piss (yes, in the jon...) and I still finished just about in
> the middle...
>
> As for that sandbaggin teammate of Spivey's... He got upgraded... heh,heh...
>
> -Matt Savage
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> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 2:26 PM, John Gill wrote:
>> While I agree with you that this is the case if you are in the top top of the
>> field...especially one as mixed as the C cat...I think that the importance of
>> start position is amplified by each upgrade. I know that after talking with A
>> racers (men and women) and going from C to B myself this year, it seems that
>> if you are in the right field (not one too fast or too slow for you) once you
>> hit the first choke point, your final position is more or less set. Like, if
>> you hit the first turn in top 20...that is where you finish. If you hit the
>> turn in the back 20, that is probably where you end up.
>> I think that if you are consistently able to start at the back and work your
>> way all the way to the front...you need to upgrade to find some competition
>> at your own level. Unless you are Jeremy Powers or Sven Nys both of whom I
>> have seen (on tv) drop or break a chain then work from last up to the podium.
>> But where would they upgrade to?
>> There is a reason that everyone has a callup order...from beginners to pros.
>> It matters.
>> I would like to see some data to see if my understanding is ACTUALLY the way
>> it works. So, if anyone puts that together...sweet!
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Josh Spivey
>> wrote:
>>> I tend to agree with Adam here. If you can stay upright and generally pass,
>>> rather than get jammed up, 45 minutes should be enough time for you to get
>>> up to your natural spot. I have started all over the place, and generally
>>> finish in approximately the same spot. If you get stuck in traffic or crash,
>>> you will finish slightly further back. Yesterday I got mowed over twice. I
>>> have two different sized chainring scars in two different places of my body,
>>> dropped my own chain, slowed down to make sure another crasher was ok after
>>> we tangled bars on the asphalt. After all of that, I still didn¹t finish
>>> ³that² far back from what I should have.
>>>
>>> If I could start in the last group every week, I¹d get free beer and an lame
>>> excuse. Sounds rad to me. As it stands I¹m sober and still suck.
>>>
>>> One of my teammates started near the back at Washington county in C¹s and
>>> won. Then he got a callup and won again yesterday.
>>>
>>> If you¹re good enough, you can get through. If not, enjoy as many passes as
>>> you can and try to get a better place than your age!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/13 1:29 PM, "adam holt" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Awesome! I tend, however, to believe in a certain level of stasis (if
>>>> that's the correct term?). I started once this season dead last, after
>>>> doing the child handoff to mom who was just finishing the race before me.
>>>> I finished 47th out of 77. The next week, I started about 20th - I had
>>>> the second starting number that week. I finished 45th out of 75.
>>>> Basically, starting about 55 places higher, and I finished in the same
>>>> spot. Granted, two races does not make a satisfactory sample size, and I
>>>> think it would be interesting to see any correlations....
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>> > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 13:20:12 -0800
>>>>> > From: andy_kaylor@yahoo.com
>>>>> > To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CC number start orders?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm curious about this myself, but mostly just because I'm a geek.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > A few years ago I did an analysis and found that the start order
>>>>> distribution was much worse than you'd expect from simple random
>>>>> selection. I even proposed an alternate algorithm that would improve the
>>>>> situation. Someone else did an analysis and demonstrated that I finish
>>>>> approximately last regardless of where I start.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As a 6 this season, I've started in the next-to-last slot twice and last
>>>>> once. I'm not sure what the others were, but I know a couple were toward
>>>>> the back. On top of that, I had the beer number for one of the three
>>>>> singlespeed races I've done. I wasn't complaining yesterday when I
>>>>> stopped by River City to pick up my two six packs, but I guess I am
>>>>> complaining a bit now.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I was the very last person on the course at the start of the Master C
>>>>> field yesterday, and I'm telling myself that it made a huge impact on my
>>>>> finish position. Facts will not persuade me to accept an alternate
>>>>> opinion. I might have to arrive late at the starting line next week in
>>>>> order to maintain my delusion.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -Andy
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Benjamin Drucker wrote:
>>>>>> > > Anyone keeping track of the last-digit start order of the CC races? I
>>>>>> > > remember last year someone used that data to make some interesting
>>>>>> graphs
>>>>>> > > of how the start order affects the results.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > What have the orders been so far this season?
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