OBRA: OBRA Chat: Interesting? Yes? No?

Eric Aldinger

2014-03-19

Bikes? I just dress up in lycra and pin numbers on. What are you guys
doing with your bikes?
On Mar 19, 2014 1:12 PM, wrote:

> We all need to get out on our bikes more...
>
> On 2014-03-19 12:52, Eric wrote:
>
> How about thumb tacks?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark J. Ginsberg
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:58 PM
> *To:* Sarah Tisdale; Bre Rue
> *Cc:* obra
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting? Yes? No?
>
>
>
> I was thinking of straight pins with locally sourced cork end plugs.
>
> what's a more PC name for the pins though?
>
> unbent pins, or maybe the reference to the pins that came after them?
>
> I will call them, Un-Safety Pins!
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark J. Ginsberg
> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
> Attorneys At Law
> 1216 SE Belmont St.
> Portland, OR97214
> (503) 542-3000(503) 542-3000
> Fax (503) 233-6874
> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
> www.berkshireginsberglaw.com
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:48 PM, Sarah Tisdale <
> sarah.s.tisdale@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm almost done fabricating some carbon fiber safety pins.
>
> - 0.5 gram per pin
>
> - no rusting!
>
> - repairable by local carbon fiber experts
> - *torsionally stiff* AND *vertically compliant*
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bre Rue wrote:
>
> I've got a set ordered so I guess I'll be testing them in sprints :)
>
>
>
> Of course I'd much rather have our numbers printed into our jerseys, then
> there would be a lot less number placement screwups. Notice I said a lot
> less, because someone is bound to mess even that up :D
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM, daniel stark
> wrote:
>
> A couple of these should do the trick.
>
>
>
> https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZX0X0-N52
>
>
>
> Seriously though, this company has an amazing inventory of the crazy
> strong magnets. If motivated, I'm sure you could easily find a winning
> combination.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:
>
> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>
>
>
> http://racedots.com/#home
>
>
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joec@aracnet.com

2014-03-19

We all need to get out on our bikes more...

On 2014-03-19 12:52, Eric wrote:

> How about thumb tacks?
>
> -------------------------
>
> FROM: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] ON BEHALF OF Mark J. Ginsberg
> SENT: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:58 PM
> TO: Sarah Tisdale; Bre Rue
> CC: obra
> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting? Yes? No?
>
> I was thinking of straight pins with locally sourced cork end plugs.
>
> what's a more PC name for the pins though?
>
> unbent pins, or maybe the reference to the pins that came after them?
>
> I will call them, Un-Safety Pins!
>
> M
>
> Mark J. Ginsberg
> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
> Attorneys At Law
> 1216 SE Belmont St.
> Portland, OR97214
> (503) 542-3000(503) 542-3000
> Fax (503) 233-6874
> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
> www.berkshireginsberglaw.com
>
> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:48 PM, Sarah Tisdale wrote:
>
> I'm almost done fabricating some carbon fiber safety pins.
>
> - 0.5 gram per pin
>
> - no rusting!
>
> - repairable by local carbon fiber experts
> - _torsionally stiff_ AND _vertically compliant_
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bre Rue wrote:
>
> I've got a set ordered so I guess I'll be testing them in sprints :)
>
> Of course I'd much rather have our numbers printed into our jerseys, then there would be a lot less number placement screwups. Notice I said a lot less, because someone is bound to mess even that up :D
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM, daniel stark wrote:
>
> A couple of these should do the trick.
>
> https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZX0X0-N52 [3]
>
> Seriously though, this company has an amazing inventory of the crazy strong magnets. If motivated, I'm sure you could easily find a winning combination.
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:
>
>> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>>
>> http://racedots.com/#home [1]
>>
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[3] https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZX0X0-N52

Eric

2014-03-19

How about thumb tacks?

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mark J. Ginsberg
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:58 PM
To: Sarah Tisdale; Bre Rue
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting? Yes? No?

I was thinking of straight pins with locally sourced cork end plugs.

what's a more PC name for the pins though?

unbent pins, or maybe the reference to the pins that came after them?

I will call them, Un-Safety Pins!

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
www.berkshireginsberglaw.com

On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:48 PM, Sarah Tisdale
wrote:

I'm almost done fabricating some carbon fiber safety pins.

- 0.5 gram per pin

- no rusting!

- repairable by local carbon fiber experts
- torsionally stiff AND vertically compliant

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bre Rue wrote:

I've got a set ordered so I guess I'll be testing them in sprints :)

Of course I'd much rather have our numbers printed into our jerseys, then
there would be a lot less number placement screwups. Notice I said a lot
less, because someone is bound to mess even that up :D

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM, daniel stark wrote:

A couple of these should do the trick.

https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZX0X0-N52

Seriously though, this company has an amazing inventory of the crazy strong
magnets. If motivated, I'm sure you could easily find a winning combination.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:

Do we have rules on safety pins?

http://racedots.com/#home

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Mark J. Ginsberg

2014-03-19

I was thinking of straight pins with locally sourced cork end plugs.

what's a more PC name for the pins though?

unbent pins, or maybe the reference to the pins that came after them?

I will call them, Un-Safety Pins!

M

Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
www.berkshireginsberglaw.com

On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:48 PM, Sarah Tisdale wrote:

I'm almost done fabricating some carbon fiber safety pins.

- 0.5 gram per pin
- no rusting!
- repairable by local carbon fiber experts
- torsionally stiff AND vertically compliant

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bre Rue wrote:

I've got a set ordered so I guess I'll be testing them in sprints :)
>
>Of course I'd much rather have our numbers printed into our jerseys, then there would be a lot less number placement screwups. Notice I said a lot less, because someone is bound to mess even that up :D
>
>
>
>On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM, daniel stark wrote:
>
>A couple of these should do the trick.
>>
>>
>>https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZX0X0-N52
>>
>>
>>
>>Seriously though, this company has an amazing inventory of the crazy strong magnets. If motivated, I'm sure you could easily find a winning combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:
>>
>>Do we have rules on safety pins?
>>>
>>>http://racedots.com/#home
>>>
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Sarah Tisdale

2014-03-19

I'm almost done fabricating some carbon fiber safety pins.

- 0.5 gram per pin
- no rusting!
- repairable by local carbon fiber experts
- *torsionally stiff* AND *vertically compliant*

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bre Rue wrote:

> I've got a set ordered so I guess I'll be testing them in sprints :)
>
> Of course I'd much rather have our numbers printed into our jerseys, then
> there would be a lot less number placement screwups. Notice I said a lot
> less, because someone is bound to mess even that up :D
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM, daniel stark wrote:
>
>> A couple of these should do the trick.
>>
>> https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZX0X0-N52
>>
>> Seriously though, this company has an amazing inventory of the crazy
>> strong magnets. If motivated, I'm sure you could easily find a winning
>> combination.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:
>>
>>> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>>>
>>> http://racedots.com/#home
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>>
>>>
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Bre Rue

2014-03-19

I've got a set ordered so I guess I'll be testing them in sprints :)

Of course I'd much rather have our numbers printed into our jerseys, then
there would be a lot less number placement screwups. Notice I said a lot
less, because someone is bound to mess even that up :D

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM, daniel stark wrote:

> A couple of these should do the trick.
>
> https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZX0X0-N52
>
> Seriously though, this company has an amazing inventory of the crazy
> strong magnets. If motivated, I'm sure you could easily find a winning
> combination.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:
>
>> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>>
>> http://racedots.com/#home
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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daniel stark

2014-03-18

A couple of these should do the trick.

https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZX0X0-N52

Seriously though, this company has an amazing inventory of the crazy strong
magnets. If motivated, I'm sure you could easily find a winning combination.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:

> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>
> http://racedots.com/#home
>
> _______________________________________________
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Rick Johnson

2014-03-18

Also on the subject of rare earth magnet safety also think about your
phone and bank cards.

"Rare-earth magnets have strong magnetic fields that can damage
electronic equipment and magnetic data storage media. You should keep
these magnets away from electronic equipment, computer discs, credit
cards, video tapes, and other magnetic media."

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

On 3/18/2014 12:34 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> OBRA has no rules regarding how numbers are attached only that they are
> attached in such a fashion as to be readable. Tape and glue has been used
> but does not work particularly well with the OBRA Lycra numbers or with
> Lycra clothing.
>
> There is no rule against using these. I would expect that they would work
> quite well. I should note that one can buy small disc rare earth magnets in
> larger quantities for significantly less money. They will not have the fancy
> interfacing shape. A similar sized smooth disk magnet can be purchased in a
> 50 lot for $10-$15 rather than the about $25 for five that racedots is
> asking.
>
> One good use for rare earth magnets is to replace the zip tied magnet on the
> crank for cadence sensors. A small rare earth disk magnet will fit into the
> pedal hole in the crank and adhere to the pedal spindle, that is assuming
> that you do not have titanium spindles. Much spiffier and cleaner looking
> than the zip ties
>
> Kenji is absolutely right regarding ingestion of rare earth magnets. There
> are some toys that have had rare earth magnet parts and ingestion of these
> have led to significant injury and death. Keep them away from your kids.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of T. Kenji Sugahara
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 23:59
> To: Zachary Goude
> Cc: obra
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting? Yes? No?
>
> Those should work really well. Rare earth magnets are super strong.
> If you have toddlers/kids- keep them away from them. They can cause serious
> injury or death if swallowed. (perforation of intestines)
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:
>> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>>
>> http://racedots.com/#home
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Assistant Director
> North American Bicycle Racing Association http://www.nabra.us
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Mike Murray

2014-03-18

OBRA has no rules regarding how numbers are attached only that they are
attached in such a fashion as to be readable. Tape and glue has been used
but does not work particularly well with the OBRA Lycra numbers or with
Lycra clothing.

There is no rule against using these. I would expect that they would work
quite well. I should note that one can buy small disc rare earth magnets in
larger quantities for significantly less money. They will not have the fancy
interfacing shape. A similar sized smooth disk magnet can be purchased in a
50 lot for $10-$15 rather than the about $25 for five that racedots is
asking.

One good use for rare earth magnets is to replace the zip tied magnet on the
crank for cadence sensors. A small rare earth disk magnet will fit into the
pedal hole in the crank and adhere to the pedal spindle, that is assuming
that you do not have titanium spindles. Much spiffier and cleaner looking
than the zip ties

Kenji is absolutely right regarding ingestion of rare earth magnets. There
are some toys that have had rare earth magnet parts and ingestion of these
have led to significant injury and death. Keep them away from your kids.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of T. Kenji Sugahara
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 23:59
To: Zachary Goude
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Interesting? Yes? No?

Those should work really well. Rare earth magnets are super strong.
If you have toddlers/kids- keep them away from them. They can cause serious
injury or death if swallowed. (perforation of intestines)

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:
> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>
> http://racedots.com/#home
>
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

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T. Kenji Sugahara

2014-03-18

Those should work really well. Rare earth magnets are super strong.
If you have toddlers/kids- keep them away from them. They can cause
serious injury or death if swallowed. (perforation of intestines)

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:
> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>
> http://racedots.com/#home
>
> _______________________________________________
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http://www.nabra.us

Rick Johnson

2014-03-18

If they are UCI legal safety pins then about 2 grams each.
The rest of the world does just fine with 1.5 gram safety pins.

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

On 3/17/2014 10:15 PM, Stephen Salter wrote:
> 2 questions: how much do they weigh and: whats next electronic
> shifters?!!!!
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude > wrote:
>
> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>
> http://racedots.com/#home
>
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velodad@comcast.net

2014-03-18

We will now. I can just see numbers and magnets flying all over the place during the next sprint.

I for one would not trust them until I see them in action.

Jamie

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:

Do we have rules on safety pins?

http://racedots.com/#home

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Stephen Salter

2014-03-18

2 questions: how much do they weigh and: whats next electronic shifters?!!!!

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Zachary Goude wrote:

> Do we have rules on safety pins?
>
> http://racedots.com/#home
>
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Zachary Goude

2014-03-18

Do we have rules on safety pins?

http://racedots.com/#home