FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer

Stewart Campbell

2014-03-20

Yes, stuff like this is a full on scam.  Anytime someone says any variation of no cash and mail the item.  All they are doing is sending you a fraudulent payment that your bank can not trace.  But you bank will still make you liable for the funds and you are out of your property.
I see this a lot on CL.  Not to mention if you look up the guys name on OBRA people, he does not exist.  The only time this might be cool is if you know the person or at least know of the person.  I've done paypal and mailed parts to guys in bend and eugene.  But we can tell in our emails that we are legit OBRA racers.
So if anything sounds fishy...then assume that it is and move on to the next buyer.
Oh yea, if I sell on CL, I meet the person somewhere else.  It's only selling to legit OBRA members that I say to meet me at my house.

It's a screwed up world.
-Stewart

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From: "rutbh1@yahoo.com"
To: Lisa ; OBRA list
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer

I got an email from the same guy about a bike I have for sale. He's definitely a scambag.

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From: Lisa ;
To: OBRA list ;
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer
Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 11:50:23 PM

FYI- I hope I'm wrong but...

-Lisa Winchester
     

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:04:44 -0700
To: kvandrick@aol.com

I'm just curious as to why you can't get cash? you have to go to the bank to get a money order and someone has to pick up the bike so why can it be with cash?

-Lisa

On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Kelvin Vandrick wrote:

>
>Am paying you by money order, if it ok by do get back to me with the name and the address i will be sending it to. Thanks
>Vandrick.
>
>
>           
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lisa
>To: Kelvin Vandrick
>Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 8:24 am
>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
>
>
>Kelvin,
>
>The $600 is negotiable.
>
>
>-Lisa Winchester
>     
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
>To: kvandrick@aol.com
>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:12:15 -0700
>
>
>Hi Kelvin,
>
>$600 OBO cash please.
>Here's the Craig's List ad with pics http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4371032806.html. It's a smidge dusty/dirty but I'll get it all nice and pretty for you. I rode it on Marine Drive last week and got some mud on it.
>
>
>-Lisa Winchester
>________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>Kelvin Vandrick (kvandrick@aol.com)
>Add to contacts
>3/18/14
>To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.comContact me with the asking price and the pics, also let me know your mode of payment...
>     
>
>
>
>
>

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Dan H

2014-03-20

I saw the Kelvin Vanderick email when he asked about my payment method and pictures which are all obvious. The name is obviously made up.
Delete without a reply or he will know he has a "live" email.

From: Lisa
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:50 PM
To: OBRA list
Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer

FYI- I hope I'm wrong but...

-Lisa Winchester

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:04:44 -0700
To: kvandrick@aol.com

I'm just curious as to why you can't get cash? you have to go to the bank to get a money order and someone has to pick up the bike so why can it be with cash?

-Lisa

On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Kelvin Vandrick wrote:

Am paying you by money order, if it ok by do get back to me with the name and the address i will be sending it to. Thanks
Vandrick.


-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa
To: Kelvin Vandrick
Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 8:24 am
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL

Kelvin,

The $600 is negotiable.

-Lisa Winchester

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From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
To: kvandrick@aol.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:12:15 -0700

Hi Kelvin,

$600 OBO cash please.
Here's the Craig's List ad with pics http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4371032806.html. It's a smidge dusty/dirty but I'll get it all nice and pretty for you. I rode it on Marine Drive last week and got some mud on it.

-Lisa Winchester
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Kelvin Vandrick (kvandrick@aol.com)
Add to contacts
3/18/14

To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com

Contact me with the asking price and the pics, also let me know your mode of payment...

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Lisa Winchester

2014-03-20

It looks like rat and smells like a rat...

-Lisa

> On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:06 PM, "Wood, Nicholas C" wrote:
>
> I got the same sketchy email from this dude. Doesn't make any sense, he is from Illinoise, we didn't discuss shipping prior to his offer. Maybe I'm wrong, appologies if so, but doesn't pass the sniff test.
>
> Nick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisa [bikerchick4260@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 05:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
> To: OBRA list; Kenji Sugahara
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer
>
> There's no way I'm even considering doing business with this guy unless he has cash, which is what I've stated from the beginning.
>
> Cheryl/Scott,
>
> Can we remove someone from the OBRA list? They've (scammers) have infiltrated OBRAland. :-(
>
> -Lisa Winchester
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:34:54 -0700
> From: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
> To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer
>
> I could envision a situation where this might be legit. Say someone else is buying the bike for him (family perhaps) and they don't trust him with cash. Maybe he has a problem spending cash on things he shouldn't - maybe that's why he needs a bike too...
>
> But I'd make sure the money order isn't a fake before turning over the bike.
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> On 3/19/2014 4:50 PM, Lisa wrote:
> FYI- I hope I'm wrong but...
>
> -Lisa Winchester
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
> From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:04:44 -0700
> To: kvandrick@aol.com
>
> I'm just curious as to why you can't get cash? you have to go to the bank to get a money order and someone has to pick up the bike so why can it be with cash?
>
> -Lisa
>
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Kelvin Vandrick wrote:
>
>
> Am paying you by money order, if it ok by do get back to me with the name and the address i will be sending it to. Thanks
> Vandrick.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisa
> To: Kelvin Vandrick
> Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 8:24 am
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
>
> Kelvin,
>
> The $600 is negotiable.
>
> -Lisa Winchester
>
>
>
> From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
> To: kvandrick@aol.com
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:12:15 -0700
>
> Hi Kelvin,
>
> $600 OBO cash please.
> Here's the Craig's List ad with pics http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4371032806.html. It's a smidge dusty/dirty but I'll get it all nice and pretty for you. I rode it on Marine Drive last week and got some mud on it.
>
> -Lisa Winchester
> ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> Kelvin Vandrick (kvandrick@aol.com)
> Add to contacts
> 3/18/14
>
> To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
>
> Contact me with the asking price and the pics, also let me know your mode of payment...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Lisa Winchester

2014-03-20

Can't we take him off the list? It's bad for obraland, wouldn't you agree?

-Lisa

> On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
>
> Looks like he listed a Harley for sale in Baltimore October of last year. Odd that he listed a Seattle phone number (206-456-1901) though.
>
> Found no arrest records under that name... but trust your instincts.
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> On 3/19/2014 5:40 PM, Lisa wrote:
>> There's no way I'm even considering doing business with this guy unless he has cash, which is what I've stated from the beginning.
>>
>> Cheryl/Scott,
>>
>> Looks like he listed a Harley for sale in Baltimore October of last year. Odd that he listed a Seattle phone number (206-456-1901) though.
>>
>> Found no arrest records under that name... but trust your instincts.
>>
>> Rick Johnson
>> Bend, Oregon
>>
>> On 3/19/2014 5:40 PM, Lisa wrote:
>>> There's no way I'm even considering doing business with this guy unless he has cash, which is what I've stated from the beginning.
>>>
>>> Cheryl/Scott,
>>>
>>> Can we remove someone from the OBRA list? They've (scammers) have infiltrated OBRAland. :-(
>>>
>>> -Lisa Winchester
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:34:54 -0700
>>> From: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
>>> To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer
>>>
>>> I could envision a situation where this might be legit. Say someone else is buying the bike for him (family perhaps) and they don't trust him with cash. Maybe he has a problem spending cash on things he shouldn't - maybe that's why he needs a bike too...
>>>
>>> But I'd make sure the money order isn't a fake before turning over the bike.
>>>
>>> Rick Johnson
>>> Bend, Oregon
>>>
>>> On 3/19/2014 4:50 PM, Lisa wrote:
>>> FYI- I hope I'm wrong but...
>>>
>>> -Lisa Winchester
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
>>> From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
>>> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:04:44 -0700
>>> To: kvandrick@aol.com
>>>
>>> I'm just curious as to why you can't get cash? you have to go to the bank to get a money order and someone has to pick up the bike so why can it be with cash?
>>>
>>> -Lisa
>>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Kelvin Vandrick wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Am paying you by money order, if it ok by do get back to me with the name and the address i will be sending it to. Thanks
>>> Vandrick.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lisa
>>> To: Kelvin Vandrick
>>> Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 8:24 am
>>> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
>>>
>>> Kelvin,
>>>
>>> The $600 is negotiable.
>>>
>>> -Lisa Winchester
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
>>> To: kvandrick@aol.com
>>> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
>>> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:12:15 -0700
>>>
>>> Hi Kelvin,
>>>
>>> $600 OBO cash please.
>>> Here's the Craig's List ad with pics http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4371032806.html. It's a smidge dusty/dirty but I'll get it all nice and pretty for you. I rode it on Marine Drive last week and got some mud on it.
>>>
>>> -Lisa Winchester
>>> ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Kelvin Vandrick (kvandrick@aol.com)
>>> Add to contacts
>>> 3/18/14
>>>
>>> To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> Contact me with the asking price and the pics, also let me know your mode of payment...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
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>>>
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Wood, Nicholas C

2014-03-20

I got the same sketchy email from this dude. Doesn't make any sense, he is from Illinoise, we didn't discuss shipping prior to his offer. Maybe I'm wrong, appologies if so, but doesn't pass the sniff test.

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa [bikerchick4260@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 05:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
To: OBRA list; Kenji Sugahara
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer

There's no way I'm even considering doing business with this guy unless he has cash, which is what I've stated from the beginning.

Cheryl/Scott,

Can we remove someone from the OBRA list? They've (scammers) have infiltrated OBRAland. :-(

-Lisa Winchester

________________________________
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:34:54 -0700
From: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer

I could envision a situation where this might be legit. Say someone else is buying the bike for him (family perhaps) and they don't trust him with cash. Maybe he has a problem spending cash on things he shouldn't - maybe that's why he needs a bike too...

But I'd make sure the money order isn't a fake before turning over the bike.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

On 3/19/2014 4:50 PM, Lisa wrote:
FYI- I hope I'm wrong but...

-Lisa Winchester

________________________________
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:04:44 -0700
To: kvandrick@aol.com

I'm just curious as to why you can't get cash? you have to go to the bank to get a money order and someone has to pick up the bike so why can it be with cash?

-Lisa

On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Kelvin Vandrick > wrote:

Am paying you by money order, if it ok by do get back to me with the name and the address i will be sending it to. Thanks
Vandrick.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa >
To: Kelvin Vandrick >
Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 8:24 am
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL

Kelvin,

The $600 is negotiable.

-Lisa Winchester

________________________________
From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
To: kvandrick@aol.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:12:15 -0700

Hi Kelvin,

$600 OBO cash please.
Here's the Craig's List ad with pics http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4371032806.html. It's a smidge dusty/dirty but I'll get it all nice and pretty for you. I rode it on Marine Drive last week and got some mud on it.

-Lisa Winchester
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Kelvin Vandrick (kvandrick@aol.com)
Add to contacts
3/18/14
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To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
[Picture of Kelvin Vandrick]
Contact me with the asking price and the pics, also let me know your mode of payment...

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rutbh1@yahoo.com

2014-03-20

I got an email from the same guy about a bike I have for sale. He's definitely a scambag.


There's no way I'm even considering doing business with this guy unless he has cash, which is what I've stated from the beginning.

Cheryl/Scott,

Can we remove someone from the OBRA list? They've (scammers) have infiltrated OBRAland. :-(

-Lisa Winchester

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:34:54 -0700
From: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FW: Heads Up People-This Guy Sounds Like A Scammer





I could envision a situation where this
might be legit. Say someone else is buying the bike for him
(family perhaps) and they don't trust him with cash. Maybe he has
a problem spending cash on things he shouldn't - maybe that's why
he needs a bike too...

But I'd make sure the money order isn't a fake before turning over
the bike.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

On 3/19/2014 4:50 PM, Lisa wrote:




FYI- I hope I'm wrong but...


-Lisa Winchester



Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT
KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL

From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:04:44 -0700

To: kvandrick@aol.com

I'm just curious as to why you can't get cash? you have
to go to the bank to get a money order and someone has to
pick up the bike so why can it be with cash?

-Lisa

On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Kelvin Vandrick
wrote:


Am paying you by money order, if
it ok by do get back to me with the name and the
address i will be sending it to. Thanks

Vandrick.



-----Original
Message-----

From: Lisa

To: Kelvin Vandrick

Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 8:24 am

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600
OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL



Kelvin,

The $600 is negotiable.


-Lisa Winchester



From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com

To: kvandrick@aol.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT
BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:12:15 -0700

Hi Kelvin,

$600 OBO cash please.

Here's the Craig's List ad with pics http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4371032806.html.
It's a smidge dusty/dirty but I'll get it
all nice and pretty for you. I rode it on
Marine Drive last week and got some mud on
it.


-Lisa
Winchester

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________













Kelvin
Vandrick (kvandrick@aol.com)

Add
to contacts
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bikerchick4260@hotmail.com















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price and the pics, also let me know
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FYI- I hope I'm wrong but...

-Lisa Winchester

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL
From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:04:44 -0700
To: kvandrick@aol.com

I'm just curious as to why you can't get cash? you have to go to the bank to get a money order and someone has to pick up the bike so why can it be with cash?

-Lisa
On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Kelvin Vandrick wrote:

Am paying you by money order, if it ok by do get back to me with the name and the address i will be sending it to. Thanks

Vandrick.

-----Original Message-----

From: Lisa

To: Kelvin Vandrick

Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 8:24 am

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL

Kelvin,

The $600 is negotiable.

-Lisa Winchester

From: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com

To: kvandrick@aol.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] FS: FORT KOMET-TT BIKE $600 OBO COMPLETE BIKE-PRICED TO SELL

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:12:15 -0700

Hi Kelvin,

$600 OBO cash please.

Here's the Craig's List ad with pics http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4371032806.html. It's a smidge dusty/dirty but I'll get it all nice and pretty for you. I rode it on Marine Drive last week and got some mud on it.

-Lisa Winchester
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Kelvin Vandrick (kvandrick@aol.com) Add to contacts 3/18/14 To: bikerchick4260@hotmail.com

Contact me with the asking price and the pics, also let me know your mode of payment...