OBRA: OBRA Chat: 2014 Cherry Pie

Dan H

2014-03-22

Can we agree to stop this thread at midnight?
Just reply off list after that.
If you reply to this, I'll delete it without looking.

From: Stephen Salter
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:12 PM
To: Fergus Kinnell
Cc: obra
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

yeah but if you take a piss theyll cancel the whole thing!

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Fergus Kinnell wrote:

I'm confused.

Doesn't Portland have a naked bike ride?

On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:17 PM, jesse luckett wrote:

But Luke, listen; have you ever pissed from a speeding car illegaly??!!

On Mar 21, 2014 11:58 AM, "Luke DeMoe" wrote:

Speeding in a car is illegal too.

On Mar 21, 2014 11:42 AM, "sehsrugby" wrote:

I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.

Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race over quicker then.

This should be a permanent ban.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4

-------- Original message --------
From: joec@aracnet.com
Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension of license and/or foreiture
of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1 month. Subsequent infraction will
be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set period of time (say 2 years) will
result in a ban of 1 yr.

Joe

On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:

Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....

In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think they are above them.....

Just my Friday thoughts.....: )

----- Original Message -----
From: kl_graham@comcast.net
To: Hugh Givens
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Thank you Hugh!!

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From: "Hugh Givens"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

One more pissing post and then we're done:

It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go with our Pie.

My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior are strong enough.

You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.

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Stephen Salter

2014-03-22

yeah but if you take a piss theyll cancel the whole thing!

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Fergus Kinnell wrote:

> I'm confused.
>
> Doesn't Portland have a naked bike ride?
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:17 PM, jesse luckett
> wrote:
>
> But Luke, listen; have you ever pissed from a speeding car illegaly??!!
> On Mar 21, 2014 11:58 AM, "Luke DeMoe" wrote:
>
>> Speeding in a car is illegal too.
>> On Mar 21, 2014 11:42 AM, "sehsrugby" wrote:
>>
>>> I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public
>>> urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the
>>> actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.
>>>
>>> Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been
>>> to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right
>>> before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race
>>> over quicker then.
>>>
>>> This should be a permanent ban.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: joec@aracnet.com
>>> Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>>
>>> Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension
>>> of license and/or foreiture
>>> of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1
>>> month. Subsequent infraction will
>>> be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set
>>> period of time (say 2 years) will
>>> result in a ban of 1 yr.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when
>>> they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>>>
>>> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS
>>> to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think
>>> they are above them.....
>>>
>>> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* kl_graham@comcast.net
>>> *To:* Hugh Givens
>>> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>> Thank you Hugh!!
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Hugh Givens"
>>> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>>>
>>> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to
>>> go with our Pie.
>>>
>>> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us
>>> race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that
>>> would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race
>>> community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for
>>> rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>>>
>>> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
>>> Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>>>
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Fergus Kinnell

2014-03-22

I'm confused.

Doesn't Portland have a naked bike ride?

On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:17 PM, jesse luckett wrote:

> But Luke, listen; have you ever pissed from a speeding car illegaly??!!
>
> On Mar 21, 2014 11:58 AM, "Luke DeMoe" wrote:
> Speeding in a car is illegal too.
>
> On Mar 21, 2014 11:42 AM, "sehsrugby" wrote:
> I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.
>
> Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race over quicker then.
>
> This should be a permanent ban.
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: joec@aracnet.com
> Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
> Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension of license and/or foreiture
> of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1 month. Subsequent infraction will
> be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set period of time (say 2 years) will
> result in a ban of 1 yr.
>
> Joe
>
> On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>
>> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>>
>> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think they are above them.....
>>
>> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: kl_graham@comcast.net
>> To: Hugh Givens
>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> Thank you Hugh!!
>>
>> From: "Hugh Givens"
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>>
>> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go with our Pie.
>>
>> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>>
>> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>>
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jesse luckett

2014-03-22

But Luke, listen; have you ever pissed from a speeding car illegaly??!!
On Mar 21, 2014 11:58 AM, "Luke DeMoe" wrote:

> Speeding in a car is illegal too.
> On Mar 21, 2014 11:42 AM, "sehsrugby" wrote:
>
>> I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public
>> urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the
>> actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.
>>
>> Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been
>> to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right
>> before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race
>> over quicker then.
>>
>> This should be a permanent ban.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: joec@aracnet.com
>> Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>>
>> Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension
>> of license and/or foreiture
>> of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1
>> month. Subsequent infraction will
>> be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set period
>> of time (say 2 years) will
>> result in a ban of 1 yr.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when
>> they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>>
>> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS
>> to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think
>> they are above them.....
>>
>> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* kl_graham@comcast.net
>> *To:* Hugh Givens
>> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> Thank you Hugh!!
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Hugh Givens"
>> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>>
>> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to
>> go with our Pie.
>>
>> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us
>> race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that
>> would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race
>> community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for
>> rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>>
>> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
>> Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>>
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Mike Murray

2014-03-21

I am not sure that all would agree with you about OBRA being soft on penalties. I can think of several specific cases where people have complained that penalties were excessive.

Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Mike Murray

2014-03-21

People can propose any rule they like. If this is what you think the rule should be submit it for a vote.

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Mike Murray

2014-03-21

The key is to represent an economic benefit to the area as opposed to a cost. Frankly, if bike races meant a big infusion of cash to the area of the venue people would probably put up with a little public urination.

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From: Josh Spivey
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:27:31
To: Hugh Givens;
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Totally agree that the politics are tough. It's obvious by the fact that
folks are threatening to deny racing for what should be a generally benign
factor. I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons venues might be looking
to deny a race as well. And I couldn't agree more about constituencies who
would rather cyclists didn't exist. That's seems to be the underlying
problem, not the number ones.

Wish it was easy to get people to feel good about folks coming into their
towns to race and create excitement. It "appears" as though it works like
that in Europe. But I don't live there, so I'm making some assumptions.

It just bums me out a little I guess.

On 3/20/14 9:48 PM, "Hugh Givens" wrote:

> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>
> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go
> with our Pie.
>
> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race,
> but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would
> rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in
> general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior
> are strong enough.
>
> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't
> make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>
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joec@aracnet.com

2014-03-21

I always heard it as 'turn the corner a fart is made'. Just sayin...

On 2014-03-21 14:14, Luke DeMoe wrote:

> Im not grown. Milk, milk, lemonade, round the corner, fudge is made.....
> On Mar 21, 2014 2:12 PM, wrote:
>
>> As the promoter of this event - can we stop with peeing emails. We are all grown and lets just remember that when we are out racing on Sunday.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Kenny Graham
>> President
>> WVCT/PPBS
>> 541-905-9698 [1]
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> FROM: "Ryan Storfa"
>> TO: obra@list.obra.org
>> SENT: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:35:11 PM
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> Does anyone else remember that time someone said "Hey, we shouldn't pee along the road". And then someone else said "But I want to pee!". And this went back and forth for about 3 weeks? Good times. I think that was 2001.
>> And 2002
>> And 2003
>> And 2004
>> And 2005...
>>
>>> From: eric939@redshift.com
>>> To: sehsrugby@yahoo.com; joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:10:03 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>> Agreed, my point was that I hoped he had learned.
>>>
>>> My experience, though, is many Cat 1, pro, etc riders seem to think that
>>> they are above rules. As just one example, look at numbers.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kevin Mansker [mailto:sehsrugby@yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:02 PM
>>> To: joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org; Eric
>>> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>> So because he was junior national team, that made it better? As someone who
>>> raced most of my career on the national team, I'd argue the exact opposite.
>>> You are, and should be held to a much higher standard.
>>>
>>> It's as simple as this: If your actions result, or could possibly result in
>>> the loss of a venue, you have no place racing in obra. But that's just my
>>> view.
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Fri, 3/21/14, Eric wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>> To: "'sehsrugby'" , joec@aracnet.com,
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 12:21 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Permanent
>>> might be a bit too much.
>>> Several years ago, a high-level Junior (National Team, I
>>> think) was caught
>>> relieving himself off a bridge just before the road stage of
>>> a stage race. He
>>> wasn't caught by race personnel, but by a local
>>> - who didn't go to race
>>> personnel, but to a ranger, who went to race
>>> personnel. The delay allowed the
>>> rider to start the race, and he was pulled from the race,
>>> disqualified.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This year,
>>> the same rider, now U23 and
>>> National Team, won the race. I wonder if he remembered
>>> what happened a few
>>> short years ago…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> obra-bounces@list.obra.org
>>> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
>>> Of sehsrugby
>>>
>>> Sent: Friday,
>>> March 21, 2014 11:33
>>> AM
>>>
>>> To:
>>> joec@aracnet.com;
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>
>>> Subject: Re:
>>> [OBRA Chat] 2014
>>> Cherry Pie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I fail to understand why people defend
>>> this. As has been stated, public
>>> urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but
>>> you know, the
>>> actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive
>>> littering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, I haven't been to a ton of road
>>> races, but ill the ones I have
>>> been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better.
>>> Have to piss right
>>> before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer
>>> and get the race
>>> over quicker then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This should be a permanent
>>> ban.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung
>>> Galaxy S(R)4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>
>>> From: joec@aracnet.com
>>>
>>> Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dont
>>> necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a
>>> suspension of license
>>> and/or foreiture
>>>
>>> of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple
>>> rule) of 1 month.
>>> Subsequent infraction will
>>>
>>> be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within
>>> a set period of
>>> time (say 2 years) will
>>>
>>> result in a ban of 1 yr.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On
>>> 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH
>>> stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting
>>> team and all you
>>> racers a venue to race at.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my mind
>>> that should be PERMANENT, yank
>>> the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that
>>> cannot follow simple
>>> rules because they think they are above
>>> them.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just my Friday
>>> thoughts.....: )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original
>>> Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: kl_graham@comcast.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To: Hugh
>>> Givens
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, March
>>> 21,
>>> 2014 4:19 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
>>> 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank
>>> you Hugh!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> "Hugh
>>> Givens"
>>>
>>> To:
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>
>>> Sent:
>>> Thursday,
>>> March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>>>
>>> Subject:
>>> Re:
>>> [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One
>>> more pissing
>>> post and then we're done:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's
>>> not
>>> theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake
>>> to go with our Pie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My
>>> experience is
>>> that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race,
>>> but they walk a
>>> fine line because they also serve a constituency that would
>>> rather we didn't
>>> exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in
>>> general -- is so
>>> great I wonder if the current penalties for rider
>>> misbehavior are strong
>>> enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'll
>>> never know
>>> how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
>>> Don't make it harder by
>>> doing stupid stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>>
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>>
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>>>
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra [2]
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Luke DeMoe

2014-03-21

Im not grown. Milk, milk, lemonade, round the corner, fudge is made.....
On Mar 21, 2014 2:12 PM, wrote:

> As the promoter of this event - can we stop with peeing emails. We are
> all grown and lets just remember that when we are out racing on Sunday.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Kenny Graham
> President
> WVCT/PPBS
> 541-905-9698
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Ryan Storfa"
> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent: *Friday, March 21, 2014 1:35:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> Does anyone else remember that time someone said "Hey, we shouldn't pee
> along the road". And then someone else said "But I want to pee!". And
> this went back and forth for about 3 weeks? Good times. I think that was
> 2001.
> And 2002
> And 2003
> And 2004
> And 2005...
>
>
>
> > From: eric939@redshift.com
> > To: sehsrugby@yahoo.com; joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:10:03 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
> >
> > Agreed, my point was that I hoped he had learned.
> >
> > My experience, though, is many Cat 1, pro, etc riders seem to think that
> > they are above rules. As just one example, look at numbers.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Mansker [mailto:sehsrugby@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:02 PM
> > To: joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org; Eric
> > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
> >
> > So because he was junior national team, that made it better? As someone
> who
> > raced most of my career on the national team, I'd argue the exact
> opposite.
> > You are, and should be held to a much higher standard.
> >
> > It's as simple as this: If your actions result, or could possibly result
> in
> > the loss of a venue, you have no place racing in obra. But that's just my
> > view.
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Fri, 3/21/14, Eric wrote:
> >
> > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
> > To: "'sehsrugby'" , joec@aracnet.com,
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 12:21 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Permanent
> > might be a bit too much.
> > Several years ago, a high-level Junior (National Team, I
> > think) was caught
> > relieving himself off a bridge just before the road stage of
> > a stage race. He
> > wasn't caught by race personnel, but by a local
> > - who didn't go to race
> > personnel, but to a ranger, who went to race
> > personnel. The delay allowed the
> > rider to start the race, and he was pulled from the race,
> > disqualified.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This year,
> > the same rider, now U23 and
> > National Team, won the race. I wonder if he remembered
> > what happened a few
> > short years ago...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> > [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
> > Of sehsrugby
> >
> > Sent: Friday,
> > March 21, 2014 11:33
> > AM
> >
> > To:
> > joec@aracnet.com;
> > obra@list.obra.org
> >
> > Subject: Re:
> > [OBRA Chat] 2014
> > Cherry Pie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I fail to understand why people defend
> > this. As has been stated, public
> > urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but
> > you know, the
> > actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive
> > littering.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Now, I haven't been to a ton of road
> > races, but ill the ones I have
> > been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better.
> > Have to piss right
> > before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer
> > and get the race
> > over quicker then.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This should be a permanent
> > ban.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung
> > Galaxy S(R)4
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> >
> > From: joec@aracnet.com
> >
> > Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
> >
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> >
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dont
> > necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a
> > suspension of license
> > and/or foreiture
> >
> > of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple
> > rule) of 1 month.
> > Subsequent infraction will
> >
> > be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within
> > a set period of
> > time (say 2 years) will
> >
> > result in a ban of 1 yr.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On
> > 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH
> > stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting
> > team and all you
> > racers a venue to race at.....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In my mind
> > that should be PERMANENT, yank
> > the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that
> > cannot follow simple
> > rules because they think they are above
> > them.....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just my Friday
> > thoughts.....: )
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: kl_graham@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Hugh
> > Givens
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cc: obra@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent: Friday, March
> > 21,
> > 2014 4:19 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
> > 2014 Cherry Pie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank
> > you Hugh!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > "Hugh
> > Givens"
> >
> > To:
> > obra@list.obra.org
> >
> > Sent:
> > Thursday,
> > March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re:
> > [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > One
> > more pissing
> > post and then we're done:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It's
> > not
> > theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake
> > to go with our Pie.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My
> > experience is
> > that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race,
> > but they walk a
> > fine line because they also serve a constituency that would
> > rather we didn't
> > exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in
> > general -- is so
> > great I wonder if the current penalties for rider
> > misbehavior are strong
> > enough.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You'll
> > never know
> > how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
> > Don't make it harder by
> > doing stupid stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > OBRA mailing list
> >
> > obra@list.obra.org
> >
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >
> > Unsubscribe:
> > obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > OBRA mailing list
> >
> > obra@list.obra.org
> >
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >
> > Unsubscribe:
> > obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________OBRA mailing
> >
> > listobra@list.obra.orghttp://
> list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obraUnsubscribe:
> > obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > OBRA mailing list
> > obra@list.obra.org
> > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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>

kl_graham@comcast.net

2014-03-21

As the promoter of this event - can we stop with peeing emails. We are all grown and lets just remember that when we are out racing on Sunday.

Thanks.

Kenny Graham
President
WVCT/PPBS
541-905-9698

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ryan Storfa"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:35:11 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Does anyone else remember that time so meone said "Hey, we shouldn't pee along the road". And then someone else said "But I want to pee!". And this went back and forth for about 3 weeks? Good times. I think that was 2001.
And 2002
And 2003
And 2004
And 2005...

> From: eric939@redshift.com
> To: sehsrugby@yahoo.com; joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:10:03 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> Agreed, my point was that I hoped he had learned.
>
> My experience, though, is many Cat 1, pro, etc riders seem to think that
> they are above rules. As just one example, look at numbers.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Mansker [mailto:sehsrugby@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org; Eric
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> So because he was junior national team, that made it better? As someone who
> raced most of my career on the national team, I'd argue the exact opposite.
> You are, and should be held to a much higher standard.
>
> It's as simple as this: If your actions result, or could possibly result in
> the loss of a venue, you have no place racing in obra. But that's just my
> view.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 3/21/14, Eric wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
> To: "'sehsrugby'" , joec@aracnet.com,
> obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 12:21 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Permanent
> might be a bit too much.
> Several years ago, a high-level Junior (National Team, I
> think) was caught
> relieving himself off a bridge just before the road stage of
> a stage race. He
> wasn’t caught by race personnel, but by a local
> – who didn’t go to race
> personnel, but to a ranger, who went to race
> personnel. The delay allowed the
> rider to start the race, and he was pulled from the race,
> disqualified.
>
>
>
>
> This year,
> the same rider, now U23 and
> National Team, won the race. I wonder if he remembered
> what happened a few
> short years ago…
>
>
>
>
> ==
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
> obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
> Of sehsrugby
>
> Sent: Friday,
> March 21, 2014 11:33
> AM
>
> To:
> joec@aracnet.com;
> obra@list.obra.org
>
> Subject: Re:
> [OBRA Chat] 2014
> Cherry Pie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I fail to understand why people defend
> this. As has been stated, public
> urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but
> you know, the
> actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive
> littering.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Now, I haven't been to a ton of road
> races, but ill the ones I have
> been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better.
> Have to piss right
> before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer
> and get the race
> over quicker then.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This should be a permanent
> ban.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung
> Galaxy S®4
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: joec@aracnet.com
>
> Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: obra@list.obra.org
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
>
>
>
> Dont
> necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a
> suspension of license
> and/or foreiture
>
> of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple
> rule) of 1 month.
> Subsequent infraction will
>
> be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within
> a set period of
> time (say 2 years) will
>
> result in a ban of 1 yr.
>
> Joe
>
> On
> 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH
> stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting
> team and all you
> racers a venue to race at.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In my mind
> that should be PERMANENT, yank
> the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that
> cannot follow simple
> rules because they think they are above
> them.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Just my Friday
> thoughts.....: )
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
>
>
>
>
>
> From: kl_graham@comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: Hugh
> Givens
>
>
>
>
>
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Friday, March
> 21,
> 2014 4:19 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
> 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank
> you Hugh!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
> "Hugh
> Givens"
>
> To:
> obra@list.obra.org
>
> Sent:
> Thursday,
> March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>
> Subject:
> Re:
> [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> One
> more pissing
> post and then we're done:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It's
> not
> theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake
> to go with our Pie.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My
> experience is
> that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race,
> but they walk a
> fine line because they also serve a constituency that would
> rather we didn't
> exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in
> general -- is so
> great I wonder if the current penalties for rider
> misbehavior are strong
> enough.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You'll
> never know
> how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
> Don't make it harder by
> doing stupid stuff.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> OBRA mailing list
>
> obra@list.obra.org
>
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>
> Unsubscribe:
> obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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2014-03-21

Does anyone else remember that time someone said "Hey, we shouldn't pee along the road". And then someone else said "But I want to pee!". And this went back and forth for about 3 weeks? Good times. I think that was 2001.And 2002And 2003And 2004And 2005...

> From: eric939@redshift.com
> To: sehsrugby@yahoo.com; joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:10:03 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> Agreed, my point was that I hoped he had learned.
>
> My experience, though, is many Cat 1, pro, etc riders seem to think that
> they are above rules. As just one example, look at numbers.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Mansker [mailto:sehsrugby@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org; Eric
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> So because he was junior national team, that made it better? As someone who
> raced most of my career on the national team, I'd argue the exact opposite.
> You are, and should be held to a much higher standard.
>
> It's as simple as this: If your actions result, or could possibly result in
> the loss of a venue, you have no place racing in obra. But that's just my
> view.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 3/21/14, Eric wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
> To: "'sehsrugby'" , joec@aracnet.com,
> obra@list.obra.org
> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 12:21 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Permanent
> might be a bit too much.
> Several years ago, a high-level Junior (National Team, I
> think) was caught
> relieving himself off a bridge just before the road stage of
> a stage race. He
> wasn’t caught by race personnel, but by a local
> – who didn’t go to race
> personnel, but to a ranger, who went to race
> personnel. The delay allowed the
> rider to start the race, and he was pulled from the race,
> disqualified.
>
>
>
>
> This year,
> the same rider, now U23 and
> National Team, won the race. I wonder if he remembered
> what happened a few
> short years ago…
>
>
>
>
> ==
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
> obra-bounces@list.obra.org
> [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
> Of sehsrugby
>
> Sent: Friday,
> March 21, 2014 11:33
> AM
>
> To:
> joec@aracnet.com;
> obra@list.obra.org
>
> Subject: Re:
> [OBRA Chat] 2014
> Cherry Pie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I fail to understand why people defend
> this. As has been stated, public
> urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but
> you know, the
> actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive
> littering.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Now, I haven't been to a ton of road
> races, but ill the ones I have
> been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better.
> Have to piss right
> before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer
> and get the race
> over quicker then.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This should be a permanent
> ban.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung
> Galaxy S®4
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: joec@aracnet.com
>
> Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: obra@list.obra.org
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
>
>
>
> Dont
> necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a
> suspension of license
> and/or foreiture
>
> of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple
> rule) of 1 month.
> Subsequent infraction will
>
> be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within
> a set period of
> time (say 2 years) will
>
> result in a ban of 1 yr.
>
> Joe
>
> On
> 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH
> stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting
> team and all you
> racers a venue to race at.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In my mind
> that should be PERMANENT, yank
> the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that
> cannot follow simple
> rules because they think they are above
> them.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Just my Friday
> thoughts.....: )
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
>
>
>
>
>
> From: kl_graham@comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: Hugh
> Givens
>
>
>
>
>
> Cc: obra@list.obra.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Friday, March
> 21,
> 2014 4:19 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
> 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank
> you Hugh!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
> "Hugh
> Givens"
>
> To:
> obra@list.obra.org
>
> Sent:
> Thursday,
> March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>
> Subject:
> Re:
> [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> One
> more pissing
> post and then we're done:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It's
> not
> theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake
> to go with our Pie.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My
> experience is
> that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race,
> but they walk a
> fine line because they also serve a constituency that would
> rather we didn't
> exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in
> general -- is so
> great I wonder if the current penalties for rider
> misbehavior are strong
> enough.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You'll
> never know
> how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
> Don't make it harder by
> doing stupid stuff.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Eric

2014-03-21

Agreed, my point was that I hoped he had learned.

My experience, though, is many Cat 1, pro, etc riders seem to think that
they are above rules. As just one example, look at numbers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Mansker [mailto:sehsrugby@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:02 PM
To: joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org; Eric
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

So because he was junior national team, that made it better? As someone who
raced most of my career on the national team, I'd argue the exact opposite.
You are, and should be held to a much higher standard.

It's as simple as this: If your actions result, or could possibly result in
the loss of a venue, you have no place racing in obra. But that's just my
view.
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 3/21/14, Eric wrote:

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
To: "'sehsrugby'" , joec@aracnet.com,
obra@list.obra.org
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 12:21 PM

Permanent
might be a bit too much.�
Several years ago, a high-level Junior (National Team, I
think) was caught
relieving himself off a bridge just before the road stage of
a stage race.� He
wasn�t caught by race personnel, but by a local
� who didn�t go to race
personnel, but to a ranger, who went to race
personnel.� The delay allowed the
rider to start the race, and he was pulled from the race,
disqualified.

�

This year,
the same rider, now U23 and
National Team, won the race.� I wonder if he remembered
what happened a few
short years ago�

�

==
Eric

�

�

From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
Of sehsrugby

Sent: Friday,
March 21, 2014 11:33
AM

To:
joec@aracnet.com;
obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re:
[OBRA Chat] 2014
Cherry Pie

�

I fail to understand why people defend
this. As has been stated, public
urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but
you know, the
actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive
littering.

�

Now, I haven't been to a ton of road
races, but ill the ones I have
been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better.
Have to piss right
before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer
and get the race
over quicker then.�

�

This should be a permanent
ban.�

�

�

Sent from my Samsung
Galaxy S�4

-------- Original message --------

From: joec@aracnet.com

Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Dont
necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a
suspension of license
and/or foreiture

of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple
rule) of 1 month.
Subsequent infraction will

be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within
a set period of
time (say 2 years) will

result in a ban of 1 yr.

Joe

On
2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:

Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH
stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting
team and all you
racers a venue to race at.....

�

In my mind
that should be PERMANENT, yank
the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that
cannot follow simple
rules because they think they are above
them.....

�

Just my Friday
thoughts.....: )

�

�

�

�

----- Original
Message -----

From: kl_graham@comcast.net

To: Hugh
Givens

Cc: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Friday, March
21,
2014 4:19 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
2014 Cherry Pie

�

Thank
you Hugh!!

�

From:
"Hugh
Givens"

To:
obra@list.obra.org

Sent:
Thursday,
March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM

Subject:
Re:
[OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

�

One
more pissing
post and then we're done:

�

It's
not
theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake
to go with our Pie.

�

My
experience is
that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race,
but they walk a
fine line because they also serve a constituency that would
rather we didn't
exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in
general -- is so
great I wonder if the current penalties for rider
misbehavior are strong
enough.

�

You'll
never know
how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
Don't make it harder by
doing stupid stuff.

�

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Kevin Mansker

2014-03-21

So because he was junior national team, that made it better? As someone who raced most of my career on the national team, I'd argue the exact opposite. You are, and should be held to a much higher standard.

It's as simple as this: If your actions result, or could possibly result in the loss of a venue, you have no place racing in obra. But that's just my view.
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 3/21/14, Eric wrote:

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
To: "'sehsrugby'" , joec@aracnet.com, obra@list.obra.org
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 12:21 PM

Permanent
might be a bit too much.��
Several years ago, a high-level Junior (National Team, I
think) was caught
relieving himself off a bridge just before the road stage of
a stage race.�� He
wasn��t caught by race personnel, but by a local
�� who didn��t go to race
personnel, but to a ranger, who went to race
personnel.�� The delay allowed the
rider to start the race, and he was pulled from the race,
disqualified.

��

This year,
the same rider, now U23 and
National Team, won the race.�� I wonder if he remembered
what happened a few
short years ago��

��

==
Eric

��

��

From:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org
[mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf
Of sehsrugby

Sent: Friday,
March 21, 2014 11:33
AM

To:
joec@aracnet.com;
obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re:
[OBRA Chat] 2014
Cherry Pie

��

I fail to understand why people defend
this. As has been stated, public
urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but
you know, the
actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive
littering.

��

Now, I haven't been to a ton of road
races, but ill the ones I have
been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better.
Have to piss right
before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer
and get the race
over quicker then.��

��

This should be a permanent
ban.��

��

��

Sent from my Samsung
Galaxy S��4

-------- Original message --------

From: joec@aracnet.com

Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)

To: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Dont
necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a
suspension of license
and/or foreiture

of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple
rule) of 1 month.
Subsequent infraction will

be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within
a set period of
time (say 2 years) will

result in a ban of 1 yr.

Joe

On
2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:

Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH
stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting
team and all you
racers a venue to race at.....

��

In my mind
that should be PERMANENT, yank
the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that
cannot follow simple
rules because they think they are above
them.....

��

Just my Friday
thoughts.....: )

��

��

��

��

----- Original
Message -----

From: kl_graham@comcast.net

To: Hugh
Givens

Cc: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Friday, March
21,
2014 4:19 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat]
2014 Cherry Pie

��

Thank
you Hugh!!

��

From:
"Hugh
Givens"

To:
obra@list.obra.org

Sent:
Thursday,
March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM

Subject:
Re:
[OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

��

One
more pissing
post and then we're done:

��

It's
not
theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake
to go with our Pie.

��

My
experience is
that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race,
but they walk a
fine line because they also serve a constituency that would
rather we didn't
exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in
general -- is so
great I wonder if the current penalties for rider
misbehavior are strong
enough.

��

You'll
never know
how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
Don't make it harder by
doing stupid stuff.

��

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Erik Voldengen

2014-03-21

It's just PEE

I accidentally got it on my hand once. It didn't even burn the skin off.

- Erik

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Eric Aldinger wrote:

> Urine = death. Anything else is too soft for these uncouth devils amongst
> us.
> On Mar 21, 2014 10:56 AM, "tackyglueit" wrote:
>
>> not too bad Jeff, and I would add that historically OBRA is very soft
>> when it comes to handling disciplinary action.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Jeff Tedder <
>> sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when
>>> they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>>>
>>> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS
>>> to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think
>>> they are above them.....
>>>
>>> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* kl_graham@comcast.net
>>> *To:* Hugh Givens
>>> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>> Thank you Hugh!!
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Hugh Givens"
>>> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>>
>>> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>>>
>>> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to
>>> go with our Pie.
>>>
>>> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us
>>> race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that
>>> would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race
>>> community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for
>>> rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>>>
>>> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
>>> Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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2014-03-21

Permanent might be a bit too much. Several years ago, a high-level Junior
(National Team, I think) was caught relieving himself off a bridge just
before the road stage of a stage race. He wasn't caught by race personnel,
but by a local - who didn't go to race personnel, but to a ranger, who went
to race personnel. The delay allowed the rider to start the race, and he
was pulled from the race, disqualified.

This year, the same rider, now U23 and National Team, won the race. I
wonder if he remembered what happened a few short years ago.

== Eric

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of sehsrugby
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:33 AM
To: joec@aracnet.com; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public
urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the
actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.

Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been to
have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right
before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race
over quicker then.

This should be a permanent ban.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SR4

-------- Original message --------
From: joec@aracnet.com
Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension of
license and/or foreiture
of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1
month. Subsequent infraction will
be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set period of
time (say 2 years) will
result in a ban of 1 yr.

Joe

On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:

Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they
cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....

In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS to
the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think they
are above them.....

Just my Friday thoughts.....: )

----- Original Message -----

From: kl_graham@comcast.net

To: Hugh Givens

Cc: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Thank you Hugh!!

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From: "Hugh Givens"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

One more pissing post and then we're done:

It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go
with our Pie.

My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us
race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that
would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race
community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for
rider misbehavior are strong enough.

You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.

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adam holt

2014-03-21

True, and if we were participating in a car show in town, and people were speeding in the cars past the local residents' houses and in near their kids, they'd probably be in the same mood - and attempting to get the event cancelled. On the other hand, if people try to limit their speeding to a proper race track, and their peeing to the provided port-a-potties, then we wouldn't have to go through this ridiculous discussion every single year. And more towns might be more welcoming of our events, rather than doing their best to get them cancelled. Just a thought.

Adam

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:44:05 -0700
From: lukedemoe@gmail.com
To: sehsrugby@yahoo.com
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Speeding in a car is illegal too.
On Mar 21, 2014 11:42 AM, "sehsrugby" wrote:

I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.

Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race over quicker then.

This should be a permanent ban.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4

-------- Original message --------

From: joec@aracnet.com
Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension of license and/or foreiture
of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1 month. Subsequent infraction will
be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set period of time (say 2 years) will

result in a ban of 1 yr.

Joe

On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:

Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....

In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think they are above them.....

Just my Friday thoughts.....: )

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To: Hugh Givens
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Thank you Hugh!!

From: "Hugh Givens"

To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

One more pissing post and then we're done:

It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go with our Pie.

My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior are strong enough.

You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.

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Eric Aldinger

2014-03-21

Urine = death. Anything else is too soft for these uncouth devils amongst
us.
On Mar 21, 2014 10:56 AM, "tackyglueit" wrote:

> not too bad Jeff, and I would add that historically OBRA is very soft when
> it comes to handling disciplinary action.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Jeff Tedder <
> sharkattack97219@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when
>> they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>>
>> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS
>> to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think
>> they are above them.....
>>
>> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* kl_graham@comcast.net
>> *To:* Hugh Givens
>> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> Thank you Hugh!!
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Hugh Givens"
>> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>>
>> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to
>> go with our Pie.
>>
>> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us
>> race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that
>> would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race
>> community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for
>> rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>>
>> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
>> Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
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craig austin

2014-03-21

Agreed, short suspensions and multiple do-overs aren't sufficient when
you're talking about something with the high likelihood of causing a race
to actually go away because you can't hold it. Yes, it's a simple rule.
That's why it's easy to follow.

Craig

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM, sehsrugby wrote:

> I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public
> urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the
> actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.
>
> Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been
> to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right
> before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race
> over quicker then.
>
> This should be a permanent ban.
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: joec@aracnet.com
> Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
> Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension
> of license and/or foreiture
> of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1
> month. Subsequent infraction will
> be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set period
> of time (say 2 years) will
> result in a ban of 1 yr.
>
> Joe
>
> On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>
> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they
> cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>
> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS
> to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think
> they are above them.....
>
> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* kl_graham@comcast.net
> *To:* Hugh Givens
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> Thank you Hugh!!
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Hugh Givens"
> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>
> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go
> with our Pie.
>
> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us
> race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that
> would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race
> community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for
> rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>
> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
> Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>
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Luke DeMoe

2014-03-21

Speeding in a car is illegal too.
On Mar 21, 2014 11:42 AM, "sehsrugby" wrote:

> I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public
> urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the
> actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.
>
> Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been
> to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right
> before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race
> over quicker then.
>
> This should be a permanent ban.
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: joec@aracnet.com
> Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
>
> Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension
> of license and/or foreiture
> of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1
> month. Subsequent infraction will
> be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set period
> of time (say 2 years) will
> result in a ban of 1 yr.
>
> Joe
>
> On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:
>
> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they
> cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>
> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS
> to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think
> they are above them.....
>
> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* kl_graham@comcast.net
> *To:* Hugh Givens
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> Thank you Hugh!!
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Hugh Givens"
> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>
> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go
> with our Pie.
>
> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us
> race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that
> would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race
> community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for
> rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>
> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
> Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>
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sehsrugby

2014-03-21

I fail to understand why people defend this. As has been stated, public urination is illegal. Not just with obra or a promoter, but you know, the actual LAW. Indecent exposure and aggressive littering.

Now, I haven't been to a ton of road races, but ill the ones I have been to have plenty of bathrooms to use. Plan ahead better. Have to piss right before you get on the start line? Better take a solo flyer and get the race over quicker then.

This should be a permanent ban.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4

-------- Original message --------
From: joec@aracnet.com
Date: 03/21/2014 10:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension of license and/or foreiture
of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1 month. Subsequent infraction will
be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set period of time (say 2 years) will
result in a ban of 1 yr.

Joe

On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:

Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....

In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think they are above them.....

Just my Friday thoughts.....: )

----- Original Message -----
From: kl_graham@comcast.net
To: Hugh Givens
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Thank you Hugh!!

From: "Hugh Givens"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

One more pissing post and then we're done:

It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go with our Pie.

My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior are strong enough.

You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.

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joec@aracnet.com

2014-03-21

Dont necessarily agree with the Draconian response. Perhaps a suspension
of license and/or foreiture
of a race win/place for that day (cmon folks, IT IS a simple rule) of 1
month. Subsequent infraction will
be a reward of a 3 month suspension. A 3rd infraction within a set
period of time (say 2 years) will
result in a ban of 1 yr.

Joe

On 2014-03-21 10:34, Jeff Tedder wrote:

> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>
> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think they are above them.....
>
> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> FROM: kl_graham@comcast.net
>> TO: Hugh Givens
>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> SENT: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> Thank you Hugh!!
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> FROM: "Hugh Givens"
>> TO: obra@list.obra.org
>> SENT: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
>> SUBJECT: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>>
>> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>>
>> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go with our Pie.
>>
>> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>>
>> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>>
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2014-03-21

not too bad Jeff, and I would add that historically OBRA is very soft when
it comes to handling disciplinary action.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Jeff Tedder wrote:

> Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when
> they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....
>
> In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS
> to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think
> they are above them.....
>
> Just my Friday thoughts.....: )
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* kl_graham@comcast.net
> *To:* Hugh Givens
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> Thank you Hugh!!
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Hugh Givens"
> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>
> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go
> with our Pie.
>
> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us
> race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that
> would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race
> community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for
> rider misbehavior are strong enough.
>
> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it.
> Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>
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Jeff Tedder

2014-03-21

Agreed.....Penalties should be MUCH MUCH stronger.....especially when they cost OBRA, a promoting team and all you racers a venue to race at.....

In my mind that should be PERMANENT, yank the OBRA license and say ADIOS to the arrogant people that cannot follow simple rules because they think they are above them.....

Just my Friday thoughts.....: )

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From: kl_graham@comcast.net
To: Hugh Givens
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Thank you Hugh!!

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From: "Hugh Givens"
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

One more pissing post and then we're done:

It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go with our Pie.

My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior are strong enough.

You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.

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Josh Spivey

2014-03-21

Totally agree that the politics are tough. It's obvious by the fact that
folks are threatening to deny racing for what should be a generally benign
factor. I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons venues might be looking
to deny a race as well. And I couldn't agree more about constituencies who
would rather cyclists didn't exist. That's seems to be the underlying
problem, not the number ones.

Wish it was easy to get people to feel good about folks coming into their
towns to race and create excitement. It "appears" as though it works like
that in Europe. But I don't live there, so I'm making some assumptions.

It just bums me out a little I guess.

On 3/20/14 9:48 PM, "Hugh Givens" wrote:

> One more pissing post and then we're done:
>
> It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go
> with our Pie.
>
> My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race,
> but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would
> rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in
> general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior
> are strong enough.
>
> You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't
> make it harder by doing stupid stuff.
>
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2014-03-21

Thank you Hugh!!

----- Original Message -----

From: "Hugh Givens"
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:48:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

One more pissing post and then we're done:

It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go with our Pie.

My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior are strong enough.

You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.

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Hugh Givens

2014-03-21

One more pissing post and then we're done:

It's not theoretical: public urination is why we no longer have Cake to go with our Pie.

My experience is that permitting agencies go out of their way to let us race, but they walk a fine line because they also serve a constituency that would rather we didn't exist. The downside to the promoter -- and race community in general -- is so great I wonder if the current penalties for rider misbehavior are strong enough.

You'll never know how hard it is to put on a road race until you do it. Don't make it harder by doing stupid stuff.

Rick Johnson

2014-03-21

Oh sure, that seems like fun until the
TSA accuses you of being an explosive device on board an aircraft.

Then the real fun starts...

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

On 3/20/2014 6:18 PM, Ron Babcock wrote:

I thought bike racers were competitive ... next
time you are planning a trip on a plane, eat some cabbage, beans
and for a snack some raisins and maybe a Cliff bar ... That
should get you ripe enough to DOMINATE the plane and anybody
that dares challenge you.

It's also great for getting more room on a plane since
nobody wants to sit next to you ... it's just like bike racing
... preparation and strategy :)

From: Brady.Brady@jmp.com

To: josh@we-are-transport.com

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 00:56:41 +0000

CC: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Been there, done that, and would definitely rather see
someone pee.

I was once on a plane, absolutely dying because of the
guy next to me. Finally I picked up a magazine and,
without saying a word or looking at him, fanned the
effluvium back at him.

Antisocial? Probably... But the farts stopped ;-)

On Mar 20, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Josh Spivey" <josh@we-are-transport.com>
wrote:

Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
You guys are both correct.
This wasn’t meant to be a debate, more of an
observation that we sometimes have a very strange way
of treating one another as people. It’s less about the
urination, and more about the threat of something that
is largely out of the race promoter’s direct control.
I’m sure it happens that venues get canceled “because
of peeing”. I’m not saying that people should openly
pee all over the place. I live in the same society as
you do, after all. And if a rule has been placed, you
should follow it, or not participate.

We should make farting on airplanes a crime. That
bothers me way more than peeing outside somewhere I
could see. If you would rather be farted on, on a
five-hour flight, than see a dude peeing on the side
of the road, raise your hand.

Crickets.....

On 3/20/14 4:36 PM, "joec@aracnet.com"
<joec@aracnet.com>
wrote:

Plus, public
uriniation/elimination is a misdeamanor offense.

On 2014-03-20 16:21, Mike Murray wrote:

It may seem unfair and it may seem like a dumb
societal constraint but the fact remains that
public urination is a large cause of race venue
loss. It might not bother you and it might seem
dumb that it bothers anyone but the fact remains
that it bothers a lot of people.

I have to also point out that all your reasons
apply equally to pooing and I think most will
agree that we don't want that in public.

Mike Murray

Sent from mobile device

On Mar 20, 2014, at 15:19, Josh Spivey <josh@we-are-transport.com>
wrote:

Rules are
rules, and I totally get that. I’m not arguing
that public urination is a rule that shouldn’t
be broken here. And I understand that putting on
a race and dealing with the politics of local
folks is not easy.

But that sort of pressure to prevent others
from doing something we’ve done every day since
before somebody created the outhouse is still
very weird to me, and really unfair to the race
promoter. I know we’re all “civilized” and
everything, but c’mon! It’s just a little pee
between humans. We all do it. Shouldn’t it be
way weirder to see somebody smoking in public
than peeing? We Americans sometimes pick the
strangest things to get worked up over. I’m just
sayin.

I’m off to waste water in my toilet now,
instead of going outside to pee on a nice plant.
Somebody might accidentally see my “privates”!

Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road,
than I’m all about honoring the rule. So please
don’t misconstrue my intent here. I’m trying to
say it seems unfair to give you that kind of
ultimatum.

On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net"
<kl_graham@comcast.net>
wrote:

Ladies and
Gentlemen!



The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE
REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!

http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf

http://obra.org/events/22154/register <http://obra.org/events/22154/register>

Race Update:

Special Thanks:
I would like to personally thank
Paul Bourcier and Smith&Nephew
p/b West End Bikes for sponsoring
two entries for juniors cyclist. Thank
you for supporting the future and
development of our sport.

Cat 1/2/3 Men
Race: With the addition of a 3rd
lap to this race only, a feed zone will be
implemented on the second lap shortly
after the finish line on Palestine Road.

Parking on
Palestine Road: In years
past, our spectators have come up and
parked on the side of the road to see
the riders finish. After speaking the
with the residents and hearing concerns,
parking will be restricted to the
downhill side of the
Palestine
Road. These steps are being implemented
per the request of the residence and for
the safety of the cyclists. Please
communicate this to all spectators,
friends and family.

Adair
Village: A couple of years back,
we experienced a issue where one of our
cyclist decided to relieve himself out
in the open (urination) and one of the
residence saw this. Needless to say
this did not go over well. After
meeting with the high school
administrator this year about the race,
this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to
make a very strong point about it not
EVER happening again. I cannot stress
how important this is to the future of
this event - because I promise you if it
does happen again - the Cherry Pie will
be no more.

Rider
Awareness: Please be aware
when you are out on the road warming up or
coming back from your race - that we need
to make sure that we are as far to the
right as we can possibly be. Residence in
the area also voiced concerns about riders
being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road.
Please remember that we are guest in their
neighborhood and we have to show respect
and common road sense. We all represent
OBRA, so lets make sure we are policing
ourselves and each other.

If you're waiting to see what the weather
will be like before registering, we
understand.

Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66
degrees, 0% chance of "liquid sunshine", and N
winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!

Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be
there Sunday for Day-of-Event Registration to
help you get through the lines as quickly as
we can! We will also have OBRA licenses
available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)!
But, if you're still worried about long lines
on Sunday, go ahead and Register Now!!
With less than
3 days left before race day - PLEASE
go and register online @ www.obra.org
<http://www.obra.org>
<http://www.obra.org/>
. It's quick,
it's fast and very easy! Day of registration
will be available - but save yourself some
money and time by doing so online! Either
way, we are looking forward to seeing you all
on Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!



Online
Registration: Adults ($25), Juniors
($15), Second Race ($10)



Day-Of-Race
Registration: Adults ($30), Juniors
($20), Second Race ($15)



Weather
Forecast:
Sunday -
March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH
out of the west. If this weather
forecast holds, this will be one of the best
days to race the Cherry Pie in the history
of the event!



Course Update: Benton County has gone
out and worked on potholes on the tail end
of the course (NW Springhill Drive).

Thank you to everyone for all the request
for volunteers, but all the positions have
been assigned.

This year the event will feature cash
payouts to top 3 three in each field and
also products as well from our AMAZING
sponsors:

Oakley

Yakima Racks

Kali Protective Helmets

GoPro

Rolf Prima

Peak Sports

If you have any questions, please drop
me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or call me @ 541-905-9698.
I look forward seeing you all on Sunday -
March 23rd @ Adair Village just right
outside Corvallis.

Let's get registered and LET'S HAVE
FUN!!!!

Kenny Graham (aka Joe Disc)

President

WCVT/PPBS

kl_graham@comcast.net

541-905-9698



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marky mark

2014-03-21

I see a market for cycling depends diapers.

T Shreve

> On Mar 20, 2014, at 6:30 PM, "Ron Babcock" wrote:
>
> I thought bike racers were competitive ... next time you are planning a trip on a plane, eat some cabbage, beans and for a snack some raisins and maybe a Cliff bar ... That should get you ripe enough to DOMINATE the plane and anybody that dares challenge you.
>
> It's also great for getting more room on a plane since nobody wants to sit next to you ... it's just like bike racing ... preparation and strategy :)
>
>
> From: Brady.Brady@jmp.com
> To: josh@we-are-transport.com
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 00:56:41 +0000
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
>
> Been there, done that, and would definitely rather see someone pee.
>
> I was once on a plane, absolutely dying because of the guy next to me. Finally I picked up a magazine and, without saying a word or looking at him, fanned the effluvium back at him.
>
> Antisocial? Probably... But the farts stopped ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Josh Spivey" wrote:
>
> You guys are both correct. This wasn’t meant to be a debate, more of an observation that we sometimes have a very strange way of treating one another as people. It’s less about the urination, and more about the threat of something that is largely out of the race promoter’s direct control. I’m sure it happens that venues get canceled “because of peeing”. I’m not saying that people should openly pee all over the place. I live in the same society as you do, after all. And if a rule has been placed, you should follow it, or not participate.
>
> We should make farting on airplanes a crime. That bothers me way more than peeing outside somewhere I could see. If you would rather be farted on, on a five-hour flight, than see a dude peeing on the side of the road, raise your hand.
>
> Crickets.....
>
>
> On 3/20/14 4:36 PM, "joec@aracnet.com" wrote:
>
> Plus, public uriniation/elimination is a misdeamanor offense.
>
> On 2014-03-20 16:21, Mike Murray wrote:
>
> It may seem unfair and it may seem like a dumb societal constraint but the fact remains that public urination is a large cause of race venue loss. It might not bother you and it might seem dumb that it bothers anyone but the fact remains that it bothers a lot of people.
>
> I have to also point out that all your reasons apply equally to pooing and I think most will agree that we don't want that in public.
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent from mobile device
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 15:19, Josh Spivey wrote:
>
> Rules are rules, and I totally get that. I’m not arguing that public urination is a rule that shouldn’t be broken here. And I understand that putting on a race and dealing with the politics of local folks is not easy.
>
> But that sort of pressure to prevent others from doing something we’ve done every day since before somebody created the outhouse is still very weird to me, and really unfair to the race promoter. I know we’re all “civilized” and everything, but c’mon! It’s just a little pee between humans. We all do it. Shouldn’t it be way weirder to see somebody smoking in public than peeing? We Americans sometimes pick the strangest things to get worked up over. I’m just sayin.
>
> I’m off to waste water in my toilet now, instead of going outside to pee on a nice plant. Somebody might accidentally see my “privates”!
>
> Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road, than I’m all about honoring the rule. So please don’t misconstrue my intent here. I’m trying to say it seems unfair to give you that kind of ultimatum.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net" wrote:
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>
> The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!
>
> http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf
> http://obra.org/events/22154/register
>
>
> Race Update:
>
> Special Thanks: I would like to personally thank Paul Bourcier and Smith&Nephew p/b West End Bikes for sponsoring two entries for juniors cyclist. Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
> Cat 1/2/3 Men Race: With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race only, a feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the finish line on Palestine Road.
> Parking on Palestine Road: In years past, our spectators have come up and parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish. After speaking the with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be restricted to the downhill side of the Palestine Road. These steps are being implemented per the request of the residence and for the safety of the cyclists. Please communicate this to all spectators, friends and family.
> Adair Village: A couple of years back, we experienced a issue where one of our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open (urination) and one of the residence saw this. Needless to say this did not go over well. After meeting with the high school administrator this year about the race, this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very strong point about it not EVER happening again. I cannot stress how important this is to the future of this event - because I promise you if it does happen again - the Cherry Pie will be no more.
> Rider Awareness: Please be aware when you are out on the road warming up or coming back from your race - that we need to make sure that we are as far to the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area also voiced concerns about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road. Please remember that we are guest in their neighborhood and we have to show respect and common road sense. We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we are policing ourselves and each other.
>
> If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering, we understand.
> Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!
> Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We will also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)! But, if you're still worried about long lines on Sunday, go ahead and Register Now!! With less than 3 days left before race day - PLEASE go and register online @ www.obra.org . It's quick, it's fast and very easy! Day of registration will be available - but save yourself some money and time by doing so online! Either way, we are looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!
>
>
> Online Registration: Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10)
>
> Day-Of-Race Registration: Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15)
>
> Weather Forecast: Sunday - March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH out of the west. If this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best days to race the Cherry Pie in the history of the event!
>
> Course Update: Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on the tail end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).
>
> Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the positions have been assigned.
>
> This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field and also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:
>
> Oakley
> Yakima Racks
> Kali Protective Helmets
> GoPro
> Rolf Prima
> Peak Sports
>
>
> If you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March 23rd @ Adair Village just right outside Corvallis.
>
>
> Let's get registered and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Kenny Graham (aka Joe Disc)
> President
> WCVT/PPBS
> kl_graham@comcast.net
> 541-905-9698
>
>
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Ron Babcock

2014-03-21

I thought bike racers were competitive ... next time you are planning a trip on a plane, eat some cabbage, beans and for a snack some raisins and maybe a Cliff bar ... That should get you ripe enough to DOMINATE the plane and anybody that dares challenge you.
It's also great for getting more room on a plane since nobody wants to sit next to you ... it's just like bike racing ... preparation and strategy :)

From: Brady.Brady@jmp.com
To: josh@we-are-transport.com
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 00:56:41 +0000
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie

Been there, done that, and would definitely rather see someone pee.

I was once on a plane, absolutely dying because of the guy next to me. Finally I picked up a magazine and, without saying a word or looking at him, fanned the effluvium back at him.

Antisocial? Probably... But the farts stopped ;-)

On Mar 20, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Josh Spivey" wrote:

Re: [OBRA Chat] 2014 Cherry Pie
You guys are both correct. This wasn’t meant to be a debate, more of an observation that we sometimes have a very strange way of treating one another as people. It’s less about the
urination, and more about the threat of something that is largely out of the race promoter’s direct control. I’m sure it happens that venues get canceled “because of peeing”. I’m not saying that people should openly pee all over the place. I live in the same
society as you do, after all. And if a rule has been placed, you should follow it, or not participate.

We should make farting on airplanes a crime. That bothers me way more than peeing outside somewhere I could see. If you would rather be farted on, on a five-hour flight, than see a dude peeing on the side of the road, raise your hand.

Crickets.....

On 3/20/14 4:36 PM, "joec@aracnet.com" wrote:

Plus, public uriniation/elimination is a misdeamanor offense.

On 2014-03-20 16:21, Mike Murray wrote:

It may seem unfair and it may seem like a dumb societal constraint but the fact remains that public urination is a large cause of race venue loss. It might not bother you and it might seem dumb that it bothers anyone but the fact remains that it bothers a
lot of people.

I have to also point out that all your reasons apply equally to pooing and I think most will agree that we don't want that in public.

Mike Murray

Sent from mobile device

On Mar 20, 2014, at 15:19, Josh Spivey wrote:

Rules are rules, and I totally get that. I’m not arguing that public urination is a rule that shouldn’t be broken here. And I understand that putting on a race and dealing
with the politics of local folks is not easy.

But that sort of pressure to prevent others from doing something we’ve done every day since before somebody created the outhouse is still very weird to me, and really unfair to the race promoter. I know we’re all “civilized” and everything, but c’mon! It’s
just a little pee between humans. We all do it. Shouldn’t it be way weirder to see somebody smoking in public than peeing? We Americans sometimes pick the strangest things to get worked up over. I’m just sayin.

I’m off to waste water in my toilet now, instead of going outside to pee on a nice plant. Somebody might accidentally see my “privates”!

Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road, than I’m all about honoring the rule. So please don’t misconstrue my intent here. I’m trying to say it seems unfair to give you that kind of ultimatum.

On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net" wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen!

The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!

http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf

http://obra.org/events/22154/register

Race Update:

Special Thanks: I would like to personally thank
Paul Bourcier and Smith&Nephew p/b West End Bikes for sponsoring two entries for juniors cyclist. Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
Cat 1/2/3 Men Race: With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race only, a feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the finish line on Palestine Road.
Parking on Palestine Road: In years past, our spectators have come up and parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish.
After speaking the with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be restricted to the downhill side of the
Palestine Road. These steps are being implemented per the request of the residence and for the safety of the cyclists. Please communicate this to all spectators,
friends and family. Adair Village: A couple of years back, we experienced a issue where one of our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open (urination) and one of the residence
saw this. Needless to say this did not go over well. After meeting with the high school administrator this year about the race, this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very strong point about it not EVER happening again. I cannot stress how important
this is to the future of this event - because I promise you if it does happen again - the Cherry Pie will be no more.
Rider Awareness: Please be aware when you are out on the road warming up or coming back from your race - that we need to
make sure that we are as far to the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area also voiced concerns about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road. Please remember that we are guest in their neighborhood and we have to show respect and common road
sense. We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we are policing ourselves and each other.

If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering, we understand.

Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!

Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We will also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)! But, if you're still worried about long
lines on Sunday, go ahead and Register Now!! With less than
3 days left before race day - PLEASE go and register online @ www.obra.org
. It's quick, it's fast and very easy! Day of registration will be available - but save yourself some money and time by doing so online! Either way, we are looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday for a fantastic day
of racing!

Online Registration: Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10)

Day-Of-Race Registration: Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15)

Weather Forecast: Sunday -
March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH out of the west. If this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best days to race the Cherry Pie in the history of the event!

Course Update: Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on the tail end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).

Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the positions have been assigned.

This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field and also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:

Oakley

Yakima Racks

Kali Protective Helmets

GoPro

Rolf Prima

Peak Sports

If you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March 23rd @ Adair
Village just right outside Corvallis.

Let's get registered and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!

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WCVT/PPBS

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Brady Brady

2014-03-21

Been there, done that, and would definitely rather see someone pee.

I was once on a plane, absolutely dying because of the guy next to me. Finally I picked up a magazine and, without saying a word or looking at him, fanned the effluvium back at him.

Antisocial? Probably... But the farts stopped ;-)

On Mar 20, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Josh Spivey" > wrote:

You guys are both correct. This wasn’t meant to be a debate, more of an observation that we sometimes have a very strange way of treating one another as people. It’s less about the urination, and more about the threat of something that is largely out of the race promoter’s direct control. I’m sure it happens that venues get canceled “because of peeing”. I’m not saying that people should openly pee all over the place. I live in the same society as you do, after all. And if a rule has been placed, you should follow it, or not participate.

We should make farting on airplanes a crime. That bothers me way more than peeing outside somewhere I could see. If you would rather be farted on, on a five-hour flight, than see a dude peeing on the side of the road, raise your hand.

Crickets.....

On 3/20/14 4:36 PM, "joec@aracnet.com" wrote:

Plus, public uriniation/elimination is a misdeamanor offense.

On 2014-03-20 16:21, Mike Murray wrote:

It may seem unfair and it may seem like a dumb societal constraint but the fact remains that public urination is a large cause of race venue loss. It might not bother you and it might seem dumb that it bothers anyone but the fact remains that it bothers a lot of people.

I have to also point out that all your reasons apply equally to pooing and I think most will agree that we don't want that in public.

Mike Murray
Sent from mobile device

On Mar 20, 2014, at 15:19, Josh Spivey wrote:

Rules are rules, and I totally get that. I’m not arguing that public urination is a rule that shouldn’t be broken here. And I understand that putting on a race and dealing with the politics of local folks is not easy.

But that sort of pressure to prevent others from doing something we’ve done every day since before somebody created the outhouse is still very weird to me, and really unfair to the race promoter. I know we’re all “civilized” and everything, but c’mon! It’s just a little pee between humans. We all do it. Shouldn’t it be way weirder to see somebody smoking in public than peeing? We Americans sometimes pick the strangest things to get worked up over. I’m just sayin.

I’m off to waste water in my toilet now, instead of going outside to pee on a nice plant. Somebody might accidentally see my “privates”!

Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road, than I’m all about honoring the rule. So please don’t misconstrue my intent here. I’m trying to say it seems unfair to give you that kind of ultimatum.

On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net" wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen!

The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!

http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf
http://obra.org/events/22154/register

Race Update:

* Special Thanks: I would like to personally thank Paul Bourcier and Smith&Nephew p/b West End Bikes for sponsoring two entries for juniors cyclist. Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
* Cat 1/2/3 Men Race: With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race only, a feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the finish line on Palestine Road.
* Parking on Palestine Road: In years past, our spectators have come up and parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish. After speaking the with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be restricted to the downhill side of the Palestine Road. These steps are being implemented per the request of the residence and for the safety of the cyclists. Please communicate this to all spectators, friends and family.
* Adair Village: A couple of years back, we experienced a issue where one of our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open (urination) and one of the residence saw this. Needless to say this did not go over well. After meeting with the high school administrator this year about the race, this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very strong point about it not EVER happening again. I cannot stress how important this is to the future of this event - because I promise you if it does happen again - the Cherry Pie will be no more.
* Rider Awareness: Please be aware when you are out on the road warming up or coming back from your race - that we need to make sure that we are as far to the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area also voiced concerns about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road. Please remember that we are guest in their neighborhood and we have to show respect and common road sense. We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we are policing ourselves and each other.

If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering, we understand.
Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!
Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We will also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)! But, if you're still worried about long lines on Sunday, go ahead and Register Now!! With less than 3 days left before race day - PLEASE go and register online @ www.obra.org . It's quick, it's fast and very easy! Day of registration will be available - but save yourself some money and time by doing so online! Either way, we are looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!

Online Registration: Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10)

Day-Of-Race Registration: Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15)

Weather Forecast: Sunday - March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH out of the west. If this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best days to race the Cherry Pie in the history of the event!

Course Update: Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on the tail end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).

Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the positions have been assigned.

This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field and also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:

Oakley
Yakima Racks
Kali Protective Helmets
GoPro
Rolf Prima
Peak Sports

If you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March 23rd @ Adair Village just right outside Corvallis.

Let's get registered and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!

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President
WCVT/PPBS
kl_graham@comcast.net
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Josh Spivey

2014-03-21

You guys are both correct. This wasn¹t meant to be a debate, more of an
observation that we sometimes have a very strange way of treating one
another as people. It¹s less about the urination, and more about the threat
of something that is largely out of the race promoter¹s direct control. I¹m
sure it happens that venues get canceled ³because of peeing². I¹m not saying
that people should openly pee all over the place. I live in the same society
as you do, after all. And if a rule has been placed, you should follow it,
or not participate.

We should make farting on airplanes a crime. That bothers me way more than
peeing outside somewhere I could see. If you would rather be farted on, on a
five-hour flight, than see a dude peeing on the side of the road, raise your
hand.

Crickets.....

On 3/20/14 4:36 PM, "joec@aracnet.com" wrote:

> Plus, public uriniation/elimination is a misdeamanor offense.
>
> On 2014-03-20 16:21, Mike Murray wrote:
>>
>> It may seem unfair and it may seem like a dumb societal constraint but the
>> fact remains that public urination is a large cause of race venue loss. It
>> might not bother you and it might seem dumb that it bothers anyone but the
>> fact remains that it bothers a lot of people.
>>
>> I have to also point out that all your reasons apply equally to pooing and I
>> think most will agree that we don't want that in public.
>>
>> Mike Murray
>> Sent from mobile device
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2014, at 15:19, Josh Spivey wrote:
>>
>>> Rules are rules, and I totally get that. I¹m not arguing that public
>>> urination is a rule that shouldn¹t be broken here. And I understand that
>>> putting on a race and dealing with the politics of local folks is not easy.
>>>
>>> But that sort of pressure to prevent others from doing something we¹ve done
>>> every day since before somebody created the outhouse is still very weird to
>>> me, and really unfair to the race promoter. I know we¹re all ³civilized² and
>>> everything, but c¹mon! It¹s just a little pee between humans. We all do it.
>>> Shouldn¹t it be way weirder to see somebody smoking in public than peeing?
>>> We Americans sometimes pick the strangest things to get worked up over. I¹m
>>> just sayin.
>>>
>>> I¹m off to waste water in my toilet now, instead of going outside to pee on
>>> a nice plant. Somebody might accidentally see my ³privates²!
>>>
>>> Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road, than I¹m all about honoring
>>> the rule. So please don¹t misconstrue my intent here. I¹m trying to say it
>>> seems unfair to give you that kind of ultimatum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>>>>
>>>> The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf
>>>> http://obra.org/events/22154/register
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Race Update:
>>>>
>>>> * Special Thanks: I would like to personally thank Paul Bourcier and
>>>> Smith&Nephew p/b West End Bikes for sponsoring two entries for juniors
>>>> cyclist. Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
>>>> * Cat 1/2/3 Men Race: With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race only, a
>>>> feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the finish
>>>> line on Palestine Road.
>>>> * Parking on Palestine Road: In years past, our spectators have come up
>>>> and parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish. After
>>>> speaking the with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be
>>>> restricted to the downhill side of the Palestine Road. These steps are
>>>> being implemented per the request of the residence and for the safety of
>>>> the cyclists. Please communicate this to all spectators, friends and
>>>> family.
>>>> * Adair Village: A couple of years back, we experienced a issue where one
>>>> of our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open (urination) and
>>>> one of the residence saw this. Needless to say this did not go over well.
>>>> After meeting with the high school administrator this year about the race,
>>>> this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very strong point about it
>>>> not EVER happening again. I cannot stress how important this is to the
>>>> future of this event - because I promise you if it does happen again - the
>>>> Cherry Pie will be no more.
>>>> * Rider Awareness: Please be aware when you are out on the road warming up
>>>> or coming back from your race - that we need to make sure that we are as
>>>> far to the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area also voiced
>>>> concerns about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road. Please remember
>>>> that we are guest in their neighborhood and we have to show respect and
>>>> common road sense. We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we are
>>>> policing ourselves and each other.
>>>>
>>>> If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering,
>>>> we understand.
>>>> Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid
>>>> sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!
>>>> Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event
>>>> Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We
>>>> will also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)!
>>>> But, if you're still worried about long lines on Sunday, go ahead and
>>>> Register Now!! With less than 3 days left before race day - PLEASE go and
>>>> register online @ www.obra.org
>>>> . It's quick, it's fast and very easy! Day of
>>>> registration will be available - but save yourself some money and time by
>>>> doing so online! Either way, we are looking forward to seeing you all on
>>>> Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Online Registration: Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10)
>>>>
>>>> Day-Of-Race Registration: Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15)
>>>>
>>>> Weather Forecast: Sunday - March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH out of
>>>> the west. If this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best
>>>> days to race the Cherry Pie in the history of the event!
>>>>
>>>> Course Update: Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on the
>>>> tail end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).
>>>>
>>>> Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the
>>>> positions have been assigned.
>>>>
>>>> This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field
>>>> and also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:
>>>>
>>>> Oakley
>>>> Yakima Racks
>>>> Kali Protective Helmets
>>>> GoPro
>>>> Rolf Prima
>>>> Peak Sports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or
>>>> call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March
>>>> 23rd @ Adair Village just right outside Corvallis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's get registered and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kenny Graham (aka Joe Disc)
>>>> President
>>>> WCVT/PPBS
>>>> kl_graham@comcast.net
>>>> 541-905-9698
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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Robert Jackson

2014-03-20

Ok, this is likely in poor taste but it's cracking me up all the
conversation about urination/elimination and it reminded me of this "Best
of Craigslist" post I read the other day:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/mod/3781647774.html

I know, I know - bad taste but I think it's hilarious and I'm sure some of
you all do too.

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:36 PM, wrote:

> Plus, public uriniation/elimination is a misdeamanor offense.
>
> On 2014-03-20 16:21, Mike Murray wrote:
>
> It may seem unfair and it may seem like a dumb societal constraint but
> the fact remains that public urination is a large cause of race venue loss.
> It might not bother you and it might seem dumb that it bothers anyone but
> the fact remains that it bothers a lot of people.
>
> I have to also point out that all your reasons apply equally to pooing and
> I think most will agree that we don't want that in public.
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent from mobile device
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 15:19, Josh Spivey wrote:
>
> Rules are rules, and I totally get that. I'm not arguing that public
> urination is a rule that shouldn't be broken here. And I understand that
> putting on a race and dealing with the politics of local folks is not easy.
>
> But that sort of pressure to prevent others from doing something we've
> done every day since before somebody created the outhouse is still very
> weird to me, and really unfair to the race promoter. I know we're all
> "civilized" and everything, but c'mon! It's just a little pee between
> humans. We all do it. Shouldn't it be way weirder to see somebody smoking
> in public than peeing? We Americans sometimes pick the strangest things to
> get worked up over. I'm just sayin.
>
> I'm off to waste water in my toilet now, instead of going outside to pee
> on a nice plant. Somebody might accidentally see my "privates"!
>
> Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road, than I'm all about honoring
> the rule. So please don't misconstrue my intent here. I'm trying to say it
> seems unfair to give you that kind of ultimatum.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net" wrote:
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>
> The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - *ONLINE REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!*
>
> http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf
> http://obra.org/events/22154/register <
> http://obra.org/events/22154/register>
>
>
> *Race Update*:
>
>
> - *Special Thanks*: I would like to personally thank *Paul Bourcier*and *Smith&Nephew
> p/b West End Bikes* for sponsoring two entries for juniors cyclist.
> Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
> - *Cat 1/2/3 Men Race*: With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race
> only, a feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the
> finish line on Palestine Road.
> - *Parking on Palestine Road*: In years past, our spectators have
> come up and parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish. After
> speaking the with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be
> restricted to the downhill side of the Palestine Road. These steps
> are being implemented per the request of the residence and for the safety
> of the cyclists. *Please communicate this to all spectators, friends
> and family*.
> - *Adair Village*: A couple of years back, we experienced a issue
> where one of our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open
> (urination) and one of the residence saw this. Needless to say this did
> not go over well. After meeting with the high school administrator this
> year about the race, this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very
> strong point about it not EVER happening again. I cannot stress how
> important this is to the future of this event - because I promise you if it
> does happen again - the Cherry Pie will be no more.
> - *Rider Awareness*: Please be aware when you are out on the road
> warming up or coming back from your race - that we need to make sure that
> we are as far to the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area
> also voiced concerns about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road.
> Please remember that we are guest in their neighborhood and we have to show
> respect and common road sense. We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we
> are policing ourselves and each other.
>
>
> If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering,
> we understand.
> Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid
> sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!
> Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event
> Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We
> will also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)!
> But, if you're still worried about long lines on Sunday, go ahead and *Register
> Now!!* With less than *3 days* left before race day - PLEASE go and
> register online @ www.obra.org . It's quick, it's
> fast and very easy! Day of registration will be available - but save
> yourself some money and time by doing so online! Either way, we are
> looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!
>
>
> *Online Registration*:
>
> *Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10) **Day-Of-Race
> Registration*:
>
> *Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15) **Weather Forecast*:
> *Sunday* - *March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH out of the west*. If
> this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best days to race the
> Cherry Pie in the history of the event!
>
> *Course Update*: Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on
> the tail end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).
>
>
> * Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the
> positions have been assigned. *
> This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field
> and also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Oakley Yakima Racks Kali Protective Helmets GoPro Rolf Prima Peak Sports*If
> you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or
> call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March
> 23rd @ Adair Village just right outside Corvallis.
>
>
> Let's get *registered* and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Kenny Graham (aka Joe Disc)
> President
> WCVT/PPBS
> kl_graham@comcast.net
> 541-905-9698
>
>
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joec@aracnet.com

2014-03-20

Plus, public uriniation/elimination is a misdeamanor offense.

On 2014-03-20 16:21, Mike Murray wrote:

> It may seem unfair and it may seem like a dumb societal constraint but the fact remains that public urination is a large cause of race venue loss. It might not bother you and it might seem dumb that it bothers anyone but the fact remains that it bothers a lot of people.
>
> I have to also point out that all your reasons apply equally to pooing and I think most will agree that we don't want that in public.
>
> Mike Murray
> Sent from mobile device
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 15:19, Josh Spivey wrote:
>
> Rules are rules, and I totally get that. I'm not arguing that public urination is a rule that shouldn't be broken here. And I understand that putting on a race and dealing with the politics of local folks is not easy.
>
> But that sort of pressure to prevent others from doing something we've done every day since before somebody created the outhouse is still very weird to me, and really unfair to the race promoter. I know we're all "civilized" and everything, but c'mon! It's just a little pee between humans. We all do it. Shouldn't it be way weirder to see somebody smoking in public than peeing? We Americans sometimes pick the strangest things to get worked up over. I'm just sayin.
>
> I'm off to waste water in my toilet now, instead of going outside to pee on a nice plant. Somebody might accidentally see my "privates"!
>
> Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road, than I'm all about honoring the rule. So please don't misconstrue my intent here. I'm trying to say it seems unfair to give you that kind of ultimatum.
>
> On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net" wrote:
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>
> The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE REGISTRATION IS WIDE OPEN!
>
> http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf [1]
> http://obra.org/events/22154/register [2]
>
> RACE UPDATE:
>
> * SPECIAL THANKS: I would like to personally thank PAUL BOURCIER and SMITH&NEPHEW P/B WEST END BIKES for sponsoring two entries for juniors cyclist. Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
> * CAT 1/2/3 MEN RACE: With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race only, a feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the finish line on Palestine Road.
> * PARKING ON PALESTINE ROAD: In years past, our spectators have come up and parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish. After speaking the with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be restricted to the downhill side of the Palestine Road. These steps are being implemented per the request of the residence and for the safety of the cyclists. _Please communicate this to all spectators, friends and family_.
> * ADAIR VILLAGE: A couple of years back, we experienced a issue where one of our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open (urination) and one of the residence saw this. Needless to say this did not go over well. After meeting with the high school administrator this year about the race, this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very strong point about it not EVER happening again. I cannot stress how important this is to the future of this event - because I promise you if it does happen again - the Cherry Pie will be no more.
>
> * RIDER AWARENESS: Please be aware when you are out on the road warming up or coming back from your race - that we need to make sure that we are as far to the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area also voiced concerns about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road. Please remember that we are guest in their neighborhood and we have to show respect and common road sense. We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we are policing ourselves and each other.
>
> If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering, we understand.
> Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!
> Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We will also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)! But, if you're still worried about long lines on Sunday, go ahead and REGISTER NOW!! With less than 3 DAYS left before race day - PLEASE go and register online @ www.obra.org [3] . It's quick, it's fast and very easy! Day of registration will be available - but save yourself some money and time by doing so online! Either way, we are looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!
>
> ONLINE REGISTRATION: Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10)
>
> DAY-OF-RACE REGISTRATION: Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15)
>
> WEATHER FORECAST: SUNDAY - MARCH 23RD (HIGH 66/LOW 39) WIND @ 6MPH OUT OF THE WEST. If this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best days to race the Cherry Pie in the history of the event!
>
> COURSE UPDATE: Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on the tail end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).
>
> Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the positions have been assigned.
>
> This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field and also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:
>
> Oakley
> Yakima Racks
> Kali Protective Helmets
> GoPro
> Rolf Prima
> Peak Sports
>
> If you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March 23rd @ Adair Village just right outside Corvallis.
>
> Let's get REGISTERED and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!
>
> Kenny Graham (aka Joe Disc)
> President
> WCVT/PPBS
> kl_graham@comcast.net
> 541-905-9698
>
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Mike Murray

2014-03-20

It may seem unfair and it may seem like a dumb societal constraint but the fact remains that public urination is a large cause of race venue loss. It might not bother you and it might seem dumb that it bothers anyone but the fact remains that it bothers a lot of people.

I have to also point out that all your reasons apply equally to pooing and I think most will agree that we don't want that in public.

Mike Murray
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> On Mar 20, 2014, at 15:19, Josh Spivey wrote:
>
> Rules are rules, and I totally get that. I’m not arguing that public urination is a rule that shouldn’t be broken here. And I understand that putting on a race and dealing with the politics of local folks is not easy.
>
> But that sort of pressure to prevent others from doing something we’ve done every day since before somebody created the outhouse is still very weird to me, and really unfair to the race promoter. I know we’re all “civilized” and everything, but c’mon! It’s just a little pee between humans. We all do it. Shouldn’t it be way weirder to see somebody smoking in public than peeing? We Americans sometimes pick the strangest things to get worked up over. I’m just sayin.
>
> I’m off to waste water in my toilet now, instead of going outside to pee on a nice plant. Somebody might accidentally see my “privates”!
>
> Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road, than I’m all about honoring the rule. So please don’t misconstrue my intent here. I’m trying to say it seems unfair to give you that kind of ultimatum.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net" wrote:
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>
> The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!
>
> http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf
> http://obra.org/events/22154/register
>
>
> Race Update:
>
> Special Thanks: I would like to personally thank Paul Bourcier and Smith&Nephew p/b West End Bikes for sponsoring two entries for juniors cyclist. Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
> Cat 1/2/3 Men Race: With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race only, a feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the finish line on Palestine Road.
> Parking on Palestine Road: In years past, our spectators have come up and parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish. After speaking the with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be restricted to the downhill side of the Palestine Road. These steps are being implemented per the request of the residence and for the safety of the cyclists. Please communicate this to all spectators, friends and family.
> Adair Village: A couple of years back, we experienced a issue where one of our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open (urination) and one of the residence saw this. Needless to say this did not go over well. After meeting with the high school administrator this year about the race, this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very strong point about it not EVER happening again. I cannot stress how important this is to the future of this event - because I promise you if it does happen again - the Cherry Pie will be no more.
> Rider Awareness: Please be aware when you are out on the road warming up or coming back from your race - that we need to make sure that we are as far to the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area also voiced concerns about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road. Please remember that we are guest in their neighborhood and we have to show respect and common road sense. We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we are policing ourselves and each other.
>
> If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering, we understand.
> Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!
> Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We will also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)! But, if you're still worried about long lines on Sunday, go ahead and Register Now!! With less than 3 days left before race day - PLEASE go and register online @ www.obra.org . It's quick, it's fast and very easy! Day of registration will be available - but save yourself some money and time by doing so online! Either way, we are looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!
>
>
> Online Registration: Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10)
>
> Day-Of-Race Registration: Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15)
>
> Weather Forecast: Sunday - March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH out of the west. If this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best days to race the Cherry Pie in the history of the event!
>
> Course Update: Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on the tail end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).
>
> Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the positions have been assigned.
>
> This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field and also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:
>
> Oakley
> Yakima Racks
> Kali Protective Helmets
> GoPro
> Rolf Prima
> Peak Sports
>
>
> If you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March 23rd @ Adair Village just right outside Corvallis.
>
>
> Let's get registered and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Kenny Graham (aka Joe Disc)
> President
> WCVT/PPBS
> kl_graham@comcast.net
> 541-905-9698
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> email: josh@we-are-transport.com office: 971.255.0505 cell: 971.570.9662
>
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> 1925 NW Overton Suite 101 | Portland, OR | 97209 | USA
>
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Josh Spivey

2014-03-20

Rules are rules, and I totally get that. I¹m not arguing that public
urination is a rule that shouldn¹t be broken here. And I understand that
putting on a race and dealing with the politics of local folks is not easy.

But that sort of pressure to prevent others from doing something we¹ve done
every day since before somebody created the outhouse is still very weird to
me, and really unfair to the race promoter. I know we¹re all ³civilized² and
everything, but c¹mon! It¹s just a little pee between humans. We all do it.
Shouldn¹t it be way weirder to see somebody smoking in public than peeing?
We Americans sometimes pick the strangest things to get worked up over. I¹m
just sayin.

I¹m off to waste water in my toilet now, instead of going outside to pee on
a nice plant. Somebody might accidentally see my ³privates²!

Again, if the rule is no peeing on the road, than I¹m all about honoring the
rule. So please don¹t misconstrue my intent here. I¹m trying to say it seems
unfair to give you that kind of ultimatum.

On 3/20/14 8:42 AM, "kl_graham@comcast.net" wrote:

> Ladies and Gentlemen!
>
> The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!
>
> http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf
> http://obra.org/events/22154/register
>
>
> Race Update:
>
> * Special Thanks: I would like to personally thank Paul Bourcier and
> Smith&Nephew p/b West End Bikes for sponsoring two entries for juniors
> cyclist. Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
> * Cat 1/2/3 Men Race: With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race only, a
> feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the finish line
> on Palestine Road.
> * Parking on Palestine Road: In years past, our spectators have come up and
> parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish. After speaking the
> with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be restricted to the
> downhill side of the Palestine Road. These steps are being implemented per
> the request of the residence and for the safety of the cyclists. Please
> communicate this to all spectators, friends and family.
> * Adair Village: A couple of years back, we experienced a issue where one of
> our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open (urination) and one of
> the residence saw this. Needless to say this did not go over well. After
> meeting with the high school administrator this year about the race, this was
> a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very strong point about it not EVER
> happening again. I cannot stress how important this is to the future of this
> event - because I promise you if it does happen again - the Cherry Pie will be
> no more.
> * Rider Awareness: Please be aware when you are out on the road warming up or
> coming back from your race - that we need to make sure that we are as far to
> the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area also voiced concerns
> about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road. Please remember that we are
> guest in their neighborhood and we have to show respect and common road sense.
> We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we are policing ourselves and each
> other.
>
> If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering, we
> understand.
> Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid
> sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!
> Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event
> Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We will
> also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)! But, if
> you're still worried about long lines on Sunday, go ahead and Register Now!!
> With less than 3 days left before race day - PLEASE go and register online @
> www.obra.org . It's quick, it's fast and very easy!
> Day of registration will be available - but save yourself some money and time
> by doing so online! Either way, we are looking forward to seeing you all on
> Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!
>
>
> Online Registration: Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10)
>
> Day-Of-Race Registration: Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15)
>
> Weather Forecast: Sunday - March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH out of the
> west. If this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best days to
> race the Cherry Pie in the history of the event!
>
> Course Update: Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on the tail
> end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).
>
> Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the
> positions have been assigned.
>
> This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field and
> also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:
>
> Oakley
> Yakima Racks
> Kali Protective Helmets
> GoPro
> Rolf Prima
> Peak Sports
>
>
> If you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or
> call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March 23rd
> @ Adair Village just right outside Corvallis.
>
>
> Let's get registered and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Kenny Graham (aka Joe Disc)
> President
> WCVT/PPBS
> kl_graham@comcast.net
> 541-905-9698
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

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> Joshua Spivey // director
> email: josh@we-are-transport.com office: 971.255.0505 cell: 971.570.9662
>
> TRANSPORT // online video creative and strategy
> 1925 NW Overton Suite 101 | Portland, OR | 97209 | USA
>
>
> Vimeo Channel | Twitter: transportpdx
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------

kl_graham@comcast.net

2014-03-20

Ladies and Gentlemen!
The 2014 Cherry Pie Road Race - ONLINE REGISTRATION is WIDE OPEN!

http://www.willamettevalleycycling.com/2014_CherryPie_Flyer.pdf
http://obra.org/events/22154/register

Race Update :

* Special Thanks : I would like to personally thank Paul Bourcier and Smith&Nephew p/b West End Bikes for sponsoring two entries for juniors cyclist. Thank you for supporting the future and development of our sport.
* Cat 1/2/3 Men Race : With the addition of a 3rd lap to this race only, a feed zone will be implemented on the second lap shortly after the finish line on Palestine Road.
* Parking on Palestine Road : In years past, our spectators have come up and parked on the side of the road to see the riders finish. After speaking the with the residents and hearing concerns, parking will be restricted to the downhill side of the Palestine Road. These steps are being implemented per the request of the residence and for the safety of the cyclists. Please communicate this to all spectators, friends and family .
* Adair Village : A couple of years back, we experienced a issue where one of our cyclist decided to relieve himself out in the open (urination) and one of the residence saw this. Needless to say this did not go over well. After meeting with the high school administrator this year about the race, this was a HOT topic, and she wanted to make a very strong point about it not EVER happening again. I cannot stress how important this is to the future of this event - because I promise you if it does happen again - the Cherry Pie will be no more.
* Rider Awareness : Please be aware when you are out on the road warming up or coming back from your race - that we need to make sure that we are as far to the right as we can possibly be. Residence in the area also voiced concerns about riders being 3 and 4 deep blocking the road. Please remember that we are guest in their neighborhood and we have to show respect and common road sense. We all represent OBRA, so lets make sure we are policing ourselves and each other.
If you're waiting to see what the weather will be like before registering, we understand.
Currently, the forecast shows a High of 66 degrees, 0% chance of "liquid sunshine", and N winds @ 6 mph. So...looks pretty good!
Pacific Power Blue Sky Racing staff will be there Sunday for Day-of-Event Registration to help you get through the lines as quickly as we can! We will also have OBRA licenses available for purchase (Season and 1-Day)! But, if you're still worried about long lines on Sunday, go ahead and Register Now!! With less than 3 days left before race day - PLEASE go and register online @ www.obra.org . It's quick, it's fast and very easy! Day of registration will be available - but save yourself some money and time by doing so online! Either way, we are looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday for a fantastic day of racing!
Online Registration : Adults ($25), Juniors ($15), Second Race ($10)
Day-Of-Race Registration : Adults ($30), Juniors ($20), Second Race ($15)
Weather Forecast : Sunday - March 23rd (High 66/Low 39) Wind @ 6MPH out of the west . If this weather forecast holds, this will be one of the best days to race the Cherry Pie in the history of the event!
Course Update : Benton County has gone out and worked on potholes on the tail end of the course (NW Springhill Drive).
Thank you to everyone for all the request for volunteers, but all the positions have been assigned.
This year the event will feature cash payouts to top 3 three in each field and also products as well from our AMAZING sponsors:

Oakley
Yakima Racks
Kali Protective Helmets
GoPro
Rolf Prima
Peak Sports

If you have any questions, please drop me a line: kl_graham@comcast.net or call me @ 541-905-9698. I look forward seeing you all on Sunday - March 23rd @ Adair Village just right outside Corvallis.

Let's get registered and LET'S HAVE FUN!!!!

Kenny Graham (aka Joe Disc)
President
WCVT/PPBS
kl_graham@comcast.net
541-905-9698