Results from mtb. state championships?

roger-@speakeasy.net

2003-06-27



I figure that if there was "bank" to be had promoting races, we'd either have a) 3-4 races per day to choose from, or b) there would be some competitive vieing\bidding for venues like PIR and the like.



Since neither seem to be the case... I am suprised to see the frequency of "promoters making bucks" posts I see.



-r





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From: Christopher A Sandmel [mailto:san-@juno.com]

Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 07:00 AM

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Results from mtb. state championships?



Promoting races is not a profit earning activity. Many races are lucky

to break even, others lose money, and some actually retain earnings after

expenses. Once insurance, series, permit, land use, official/announcer

fees, and prize money are tallied up, the expenditures become quite

great. When I was promoting the Santiam Pedalfest, we were lucky to net

between $750 and $1500 a year. However, I don't believe this is typical,

and it is no where near $4000. Since the race was a fundraiser for our

high school's cycling club, BLM land use fees were waived. Normally the

fees are something like $4 a rider. Given 150 racers, that's $600 we

were able to shave from expenses. We often made our own medals, which

reduced cost another $300. Even more expenses were eliminated by not

making t-shirts. As you can see, the typical race that must contend with

these costs will make little, if any profit. It takes an unbelievable

amount of time to prepare a race, and I encourage anyone that would like

to understand the challenges involved in promoting a race to help with

the local races in their area next time around. If you've got an idea

for improving a race, please get involved. Remember, the promoters are

generally racers like you and me. Happy trails :)



-Chris Sandmel









On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 05:16:31 +0000 Michael Blahut

<magic-@hotmail.com> writes:

 I figure the promoters took in around $4k. I guess posting the

results

in a timely mater is too much to ask for the mountain bike state

championships of Oregon.



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Christopher A Sandmel

2003-06-27



Promoting races is not a profit earning activity. Many races are lucky

to break even, others lose money, and some actually retain earnings after

expenses. Once insurance, series, permit, land use, official/announcer

fees, and prize money are tallied up, the expenditures become quite

great. When I was promoting the Santiam Pedalfest, we were lucky to net

between $750 and $1500 a year. However, I don't believe this is typical,

and it is no where near $4000. Since the race was a fundraiser for our

high school's cycling club, BLM land use fees were waived. Normally the

fees are something like $4 a rider. Given 150 racers, that's $600 we

were able to shave from expenses. We often made our own medals, which

reduced cost another $300. Even more expenses were eliminated by not

making t-shirts. As you can see, the typical race that must contend with

these costs will make little, if any profit. It takes an unbelievable

amount of time to prepare a race, and I encourage anyone that would like

to understand the challenges involved in promoting a race to help with

the local races in their area next time around. If you've got an idea

for improving a race, please get involved. Remember, the promoters are

generally racers like you and me. Happy trails :)



-Chris Sandmel









On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 05:16:31 +0000 Michael Blahut

<magic-@hotmail.com> writes:

 I figure the promoters took in around $4k. I guess posting the

results

in a timely mater is too much to ask for the mountain bike state

championships of Oregon.



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THOMAS HOFFMAN

2003-06-26



After insurance, Officials, Permits fees, Police, Park rental , awards, etc.

I bet Randy, ended up with .. maybe $200 bucks in his pocket. Now, consider

that he easily spent 150 to 200 hours, putting the whole thing together, he

made a killing at $.75 an hour. Lets not forget the volunteers, that I hope

at least got to share a Pizza as a group after all of us went home.



Not everything can be perfect every time. These guys kick as just getting it

together. And they are not making bank on this stuff, what ever the

promoters earn, they deserve.



----- Original Message -----

From: "Michael Blahut" <magic-@hotmail.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:16 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Results from mtb. state championships?





 I figure the promoters took in around $4k. I guess posting the results

in a timely mater is too much to ask for the mountain bike state

championships of Oregon.



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Michael Blahut

2003-06-26



I figure the promoters took in around $4k. I guess posting the results

in a timely mater is too much to ask for the mountain bike state

championships of Oregon.



FISCHER,JAMES (HP-Corvallis,ex1)

2003-06-26



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We're working on it. We received results that were not in a format we could

work with and are requesting them in a different format.



After we receive results, it usually takes a few days for our results person

to process the results for posting and points calculations.



Once the results are received from the organizer, we generally post a text

copy via the OBRA distribution, but the final "pretty" results take a few

days to get posted to the web due to tweaks to format and fixing of errors.



Thanks for your patience.



Jim Fischer

OBRA







-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Baumann [mailto:brianf-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:12 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Results from mtb. state championships?





Maybe I'm a little anxious but has anyone heard when preliminary results

will be posted?

thanks







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the OBRA distribution, but the final "pretty" results take a few days to get

posted to the web due to tweaks to format and fixing of

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=765422318-26062003>Thanks

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<DIV>Maybe I'm a little anxious but has anyone heard when preliminary results

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<DIV>thanks</DIV>

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thanks





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