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Mathew Hill

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I agree. Pickett's charge was a blast and every race started on time and

results were available immediately. That was the best organized and best

course I have raced for all three races.











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                      Damian

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                                               Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships

                      07/01/2003 10:16

                      AM

                      Please respond to

                      twowheeldork





If you all are looking for:

1. Quick results

2. New Events

3. Starting on time

4. Good course marking

5. Fun course (though not very technical)

Then you should do the 2004 Pickett's Charge MTB Stage Race!!!!!!! In 2003

we had all the above!

d

p.s I think the Trek/VW series is good for Oregon Mtb racing and those guys

have done a lot of work

D Grab <dgrab-@yahoo.com> wrote:

That's a pretty bold generalization about roadies. Granted there is a

fair number wound too tight, type As in that scene but the bigger concern

here is the future of XC racing.

I agree with what I think Candi was addressing. Why are we compelled to

pay higher fees, at least a week or two in advance (else we get slapped

with another fee), and yet the races don't start on time, are all too

often poorly marked, and typically don't see any results for nearly a week

afterwards? Myself and others have really been questioning our continued

participation given the rising level of frustration. The courses have

become less challenging, the pre-reg/late fee is crap and undefensible,

the stranglehold of the Trek/VW series has squashed the willingness on

many potential promoters from stepping forward with new events.

As racers we need to be willing to expect a worthwhile product/experience

given our commitment of time and money. It has nothing to do with type A

or B personalites but rather a reasonable expectation of fun and

satisfaction. Simple economics will be the downfall of XC racing. Just

look at the attendence figures over the past few years and it is apparent

that something is not right.

Just my two cents...

Donovan

"Dan H." <br-@politesociety.com> wrote:

Candi, those fat tire people are just very laid back, type "B"

personalities. Just ask any bike shop employee who they would rather

deal with- rude, arrogant, skinny tire road racers or laid back easy

going fat tire types.

----- Original Message -----

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

To: DDAVID-@aol.com ; obra

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships

I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike

people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side

tries very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by

the same evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do

not see any reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have

to pay in advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why

do you have to wait 2 weeks for results?

candi

        -----Original Message-----

        From: DDAVID-@aol.com [mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com]

        Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41 PM

        To: ob-@topica.com

        Subject: [OBRA Chat] state championships

        hello all,

        maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the

        current theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so

        people like me, that are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a

        bit.

        i did love that course.

        thank-you

        david

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XC results were very quick, but stage race results took a bit longer. The stage race format kicked ass and I will definately be there for it again next year.

-----Original Message-----

From: Damian [mailto:twowhe-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 10:17 AM

To: dgrab-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships

If you all are looking for:

1. Quick results

2. New Events

3. Starting on time

4. Good course marking

5. Fun course (though not very technical)

Then you should do the 2004 Pickett's Charge MTB Stage Race!!!!!!! In 2003 we had all the above!

d

p.s I think the Trek/VW series is good for Oregon Mtb racing and those guys have done a lot of work

D Grab <dgrab-@yahoo.com> wrote:

That's a pretty bold generalization about roadies. Granted there is a fair number wound too tight, type As in that scene but the bigger concern here is the future of XC racing.

I agree with what I think Candi was addressing. Why are we compelled to pay higher fees, at least a week or two in advance (else we get slapped with another fee), and yet the races don't start on time, are all too often poorly marked, and typically don't see any results for nearly a week afterwards? Myself and others have really been questioning our continued participation given the rising level of frustration. The courses have become less challenging, the pre-reg/late fee is crap and undefensible, the stranglehold of the Trek/VW series has squashed the willingness on many potential promoters from stepping forward with new events.

As racers we need to be willing to expect a worthwhile product/experience given our commitment of time and money. It has nothing to do with type A or B personalites but rather a reasonable expectation of fun and satisfaction. Simple economics will be the downfall of XC racing. Just look at the attendence figures over the past few years and it is apparent that something is not right.

Just my two cents...

Donovan

"Dan H." <br-@politesociety.com> wrote:

Candi, those fat tire people are just very laid back, type "B" personalities. Just ask any bike shop employee who they would rather deal with- rude, arrogant, skinny tire road racers or laid back easy going fat tire types.

----- Original Message -----

From: Candi <mailto:cmur-@obra.org> Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

To: DDAVID-@aol.com ; obra <mailto:ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships

I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have to wait 2 weeks for results?

candi

-----Original Message-----

From: DDAVID-@aol.com [mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com]

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] state championships

hello all,

maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the current theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so people like me, that are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a bit.

i did love that course.

thank-you

david

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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=053132117-01072003>XC

results were very quick, but stage race results took a bit longer. The

stage race format kicked ass and I will definately be there for it again next

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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Damian

[mailto:twowhe-@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 01, 2003 10:17

AM<BR><B>To:</B> dgrab-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:

[OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>

<DIV>If you all are looking for:</DIV>

<DIV>1. Quick results</DIV>

<DIV>2. New Events</DIV>

<DIV>3. Starting on time</DIV>

<DIV>4. Good course marking</DIV>

<DIV>5. Fun course (though not very technical)</DIV>

<DIV>Then you should do the 2004 Pickett's Charge MTB Stage Race!!!!!!!

In 2003 we had all the above!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>d</DIV>

<DIV>p.s I think the Trek/VW series is good for Oregon Mtb racing and those

guys have done a lot of work<BR><BR><B><I>D Grab

<dgrab-@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

<DIV>

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style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; WIDTH: 100%">

    <DIV>That's a pretty bold generalization about roadies. Granted there

    is a fair number wound too tight, type As in that scene but the bigger

    concern here is the future of XC racing. </DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>I agree with what I think Candi was addressing. Why are we

    compelled to pay higher fees, at least a week or two in advance (else we get

    slapped with another fee), and yet the races don't start on time, are all

    too often poorly marked, and typically don't see any results for nearly a

    week afterwards? Myself and others have really been questioning our

    continued participation given the rising level of frustration. The

    courses have become less challenging, the pre-reg/late fee is crap and

    undefensible, the stranglehold of the Trek/VW series has squashed the

    willingness on many potential promoters from stepping forward with new

    events. </DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>As racers we need to be willing to expect a worthwhile

    product/experience given our commitment of time and money. It has nothing to

    do with type A or B personalites but rather a reasonable expectation of fun

    and satisfaction. Simple economics will be the downfall of XC

    racing. Just look at the attendence figures over the past few

    years and it is apparent that  something is not right.</DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>Just my two cents...</DIV>

    <DIV>Donovan</DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><B><I>"Dan H." <br-@politesociety.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

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      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Candi, those fat tire people are just very

      laid back, type "B" personalities. Just ask any bike shop employee

      who they would rather deal with- rude, arrogant, skinny tire road racers

      or laid back easy going fat tire types.</FONT></DIV>

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        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>

        <DIV

        style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>

        <A href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org" title=c-@obra.org>Candi

        Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn</A> </DIV>

        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A

        href="mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com"

        title=DDA-@aol.com>DDAVID-@aol.com</A> ; <A

        href="mailto:ob-@topica.com" title-@topica.com>obra</A> </DIV>

        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21

        PM</DIV>

        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] ? REsults

        State Mtn bike championships</DIV>

        <DIV><BR></DIV>

        <DIV><SPAN class=543531805-01072003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial

        size=2>I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your

        mountain bike people are so patient to wait weeks to see the

        results. The road side tries very hard to publish the results at

        the event and on the list by the same evening. Of course we do not

        always get every rider but I do not see any reason why the mtn side

        cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in advance to race,

        can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have to wait 2

        weeks for results?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

        <DIV><SPAN class=543531805-01072003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial

        size=2>candi</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

        <DIV> </DIV>

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          size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> DDAVID-@aol.com

          [mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 30, 2003

          7:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat]

          state championships<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT

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          FAMILY="SANSSERIF">hello all,<BR>maybe somebody that is in the know

          could just fill us in on the current theory of when we could expect

          results to be posted, so people like me, that are maybe a little bit

          anal, could relax a bit.<BR>i did love that

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If you all are looking for:

1. Quick results

2. New Events

3. Starting on time

4. Good course marking

5. Fun course (though not very technical)

Then you should do the 2004 Pickett's Charge MTB Stage Race!!!!!!! In 2003 we had all the above!

d

p.s I think the Trek/VW series is good for Oregon Mtb racing and those guys have done a lot of work

D Grab <dgrab-@yahoo.com> wrote:

That's a pretty bold generalization about roadies. Granted there is a fair number wound too tight, type As in that scene but the bigger concern here is the future of XC racing.

I agree with what I think Candi was addressing. Why are we compelled to pay higher fees, at least a week or two in advance (else we get slapped with another fee), and yet the races don't start on time, are all too often poorly marked, and typically don't see any results for nearly a week afterwards? Myself and others have really been questioning our continued participation given the rising level of frustration. The courses have become less challenging, the pre-reg/late fee is crap and undefensible, the stranglehold of the Trek/VW series has squashed the willingness on many potential promoters from stepping forward with new events.

As racers we need to be willing to expect a worthwhile product/experience given our commitment of time and money. It has nothing to do with type A or B personalites but rather a reasonable expectation of fun and satisfaction. Simple economics will be the downfall of XC racing. Just look at the attendence figures over the past few years and it is apparent that something is not right.

Just my two cents...

Donovan

"Dan H." <br-@politesociety.com> wrote:

Candi, those fat tire people are just very laid back, type "B" personalities. Just ask any bike shop employee who they would rather deal with- rude, arrogant, skinny tire road racers or laid back easy going fat tire types.

----- Original Message -----

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

To: DDAVID-@aol.com ; obra

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships

I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have to wait 2 weeks for results?

candi

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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41 PM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] state championships

hello all,

maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the current theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so people like me, that are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a bit.

i did love that course.

thank-you

david

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<DIV>If you all are looking for:</DIV>

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<DIV>2. New Events</DIV>

<DIV>3. Starting on time</DIV>

<DIV>4. Good course marking</DIV>

<DIV>5. Fun course (though not very technical)</DIV>

<DIV>Then you should do the 2004 Pickett's Charge MTB Stage Race!!!!!!! In 2003 we had all the above!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>d</DIV>

<DIV>p.s I think the Trek/VW series is good for Oregon Mtb racing and those guys have done a lot of work<BR><BR><B><I>D Grab <dgrab-@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

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<DIV>That's a pretty bold generalization about roadies. Granted there is a fair number wound too tight, type As in that scene but the bigger concern here is the future of XC racing. </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I agree with what I think Candi was addressing. Why are we compelled to pay higher fees, at least a week or two in advance (else we get slapped with another fee), and yet the races don't start on time, are all too often poorly marked, and typically don't see any results for nearly a week afterwards? Myself and others have really been questioning our continued participation given the rising level of frustration. The courses have become less challenging, the pre-reg/late fee is crap and undefensible, the stranglehold of the Trek/VW series has squashed the willingness on many potential promoters from stepping forward with new events. </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>As racers we need to be willing to expect a worthwhile product/experience given our commitment of time and money. It has nothing to do with type A or B personalites but rather a reasonable expectation of fun and satisfaction. Simple economics will be the downfall of XC racing. Just look at the attendence figures over the past few years and it is apparent that something is not right.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Just my two cents...</DIV>

<DIV>Donovan</DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Candi, those fat tire people are just very laid back, type "B" personalities. Just ask any bike shop employee who they would rather deal with- rude, arrogant, skinny tire road racers or laid back easy going fat tire types.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=c-@obra.org href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=DDA-@aol.com href="mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com">DDAVID-@aol.com</A> ; <A title-@topica.com href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">obra</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21 PM</DIV>

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<DIV><BR></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=543531805-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have to wait 2 weeks for results?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=543531805-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>candi</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> DDAVID-@aol.com [mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] state championships<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">hello all,<BR>maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the current theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so people like me, that are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a bit.<BR>i did love that course.<BR>thank-you<BR>david </FONT><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

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That's a pretty bold generalization about roadies. Granted there is a fair number wound too tight, type As in that scene but the bigger concern here is the future of XC racing.

I agree with what I think Candi was addressing. Why are we compelled to pay higher fees, at least a week or two in advance (else we get slapped with another fee), and yet the races don't start on time, are all too often poorly marked, and typically don't see any results for nearly a week afterwards? Myself and others have really been questioning our continued participation given the rising level of frustration. The courses have become less challenging, the pre-reg/late fee is crap and undefensible, the stranglehold of the Trek/VW series has squashed the willingness on many potential promoters from stepping forward with new events.

As racers we need to be willing to expect a worthwhile product/experience given our commitment of time and money. It has nothing to do with type A or B personalites but rather a reasonable expectation of fun and satisfaction. Simple economics will be the downfall of XC racing. Just look at the attendence figures over the past few years and it is apparent that something is not right.

Just my two cents...

Donovan

"Dan H." <br-@politesociety.com> wrote:

Candi, those fat tire people are just very laid back, type "B" personalities. Just ask any bike shop employee who they would rather deal with- rude, arrogant, skinny tire road racers or laid back easy going fat tire types.

----- Original Message -----

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

To: DDAVID-@aol.com ; obra

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships

I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have to wait 2 weeks for results?

candi

-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] state championships

hello all,

maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the current theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so people like me, that are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a bit.

i did love that course.

thank-you

david

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<DIV>That's a pretty bold generalization about roadies. Granted there is a fair number wound too tight, type As in that scene but the bigger concern here is the future of XC racing. </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I agree with what I think Candi was addressing. Why are we compelled to pay higher fees, at least a week or two in advance (else we get slapped with another fee), and yet the races don't start on time, are all too often poorly marked, and typically don't see any results for nearly a week afterwards? Myself and others have really been questioning our continued participation given the rising level of frustration. The courses have become less challenging, the pre-reg/late fee is crap and undefensible, the stranglehold of the Trek/VW series has squashed the willingness on many potential promoters from stepping forward with new events. </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>As racers we need to be willing to expect a worthwhile product/experience given our commitment of time and money. It has nothing to do with type A or B personalites but rather a reasonable expectation of fun and satisfaction. Simple economics will be the downfall of XC racing. Just look at the attendence figures over the past few years and it is apparent that something is not right.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Just my two cents...</DIV>

<DIV>Donovan</DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Candi, those fat tire people are just very laid back, type "B" personalities. Just ask any bike shop employee who they would rather deal with- rude, arrogant, skinny tire road racers or laid back easy going fat tire types.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=DDA-@aol.com href="mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com">DDAVID-@aol.com</A> ; <A title-@topica.com href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">obra</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21 PM</DIV>

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<DIV><BR></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=543531805-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have to wait 2 weeks for results?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=543531805-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>candi</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> DDAVID-@aol.com [mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] state championships<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">hello all,<BR>maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the current theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so people like me, that are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a bit.<BR>i did love that course.<BR>thank-you<BR>david </FONT><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

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2003-07-01

Candi and her crew had the results posted from Larch mtn. on Saturday before

I even got home that evening! You also had about 100 start times to match

up instead of one! The set up you had (which I've seen you use for the past

couple years) is slick and simple. One person calling out race numbers and

times from a sports timer, another entering them into a spreadsheet. Take

the spreadsheet, format it a little, sort it, email it and you're done.

     From my experience at most mtb races, pull tags are handed out. They

get taken at the end (if they haven't been lost or forgotten), frantically

written on, stapled to a board and sorted later. I've also heard word of

faxing handwritten results to OBRA, which in turn must be entered into a

spreadsheet. I'm not too sure of all of the details but it seems like

there's a few unneeded steps there.

My 2 cents,

Derl

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

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To: DDAVID-@aol.com, obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: [OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships

Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:21:38 -0700

I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike

people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries

very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same

evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any

reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in

advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have

to wait 2 weeks for results?

candi

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   Subject: [OBRA Chat] state championships

   hello all,

   maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the current

theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so people like me, that

are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a bit.

   i did love that course.

   thank-you

   david

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Candi, those fat tire people are just very laid back, type "B" personalities. Just ask any bike shop employee who they would rather deal with- rude, arrogant, skinny tire road racers or laid back easy going fat tire types.

----- Original Message -----

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

To: DDAVID-@aol.com ; obra

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:21 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] ? REsults State Mtn bike championships

I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have to wait 2 weeks for results?

candi

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    hello all,

    maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the current theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so people like me, that are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a bit.

    i did love that course.

    thank-you

    david

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Candi, those fat tire people are just very laid

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easy going fat tire types.</FONT></DIV>

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Bicycle Racing Assn</A> </DIV>

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<DIV><SPAN class=543531805-01072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I

agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike

people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side

tries very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the

same evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not

see any reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to

pay in advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you

have to wait 2 weeks for results?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

2003-06-30

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I agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike

people are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries

very hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same

evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any

reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in

advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have

to wait 2 weeks for results?

candi

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From: DDAVID-@aol.com [mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com]

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41 PM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] state championships

hello all,

maybe somebody that is in the know could just fill us in on the current

theory of when we could expect results to be posted, so people like me, that

are maybe a little bit anal, could relax a bit.

i did love that course.

thank-you

david

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agree with you entirely. I do not understand why your mountain bike people

are so patient to wait weeks to see the results. The road side tries very

hard to publish the results at the event and on the list by the same

evening. Of course we do not always get every rider but I do not see any

reason why the mtn side cannot do the same thing. You have to pay in

advance to race, can't send your entry fee in 2 weeks late, why do you have to

wait 2 weeks for results?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2>candi</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> DDAVID-@aol.com

[mailto:DDAVID-@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 30, 2003 7:41

PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] state

championships<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0

face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">hello all,<BR>maybe somebody that is in

the know could just fill us in on the current theory of when we could expect

results to be posted, so people like me, that are maybe a little bit anal,

could relax a bit.<BR>i did love that course.<BR>thank-you<BR>david </FONT><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

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