FW: Iowa Hill Rd- road work under way.

Mark Greenwood

2000-08-23

What about BTA? It seems like as close a fit to their charter and what

they're organized to do as anything, and they may already have the

county's plans available.



BROWN-GIERGA Bill wrote:

 At some point along the way here, it would be way cool if someone, or a

group of people, cycling club, etc... would be willing to tackle the

chip

seal issue.... in each county. Each county in Oregon and Washington

needs

representation and challenge from their local cycling community. The

ultimate goal of which, would be to try and persaude your County

Commissioners and Public Works departments to back down on their chip

seal

policies. A first step, would be to find out your counties chip seal

plan

(find out if they plan on chipping all their roads eventually, and, find

out

what rock size they'r going to use), and to get a 2000 schedule, and a

2001

schedule.



BROWN-GIERGA Bill

2000-08-22

I've been meaning to do this... and I know this isn't gonna be a terribly

popular request / announcement... but since it came up here ...



At some point along the way here, it would be way cool if someone, or a

group of people, cycling club, etc... would be willing to tackle the chip

seal issue.... in each county. Each county in Oregon and Washington needs

representation and challenge from their local cycling community. The

ultimate goal of which, would be to try and persaude your County

Commissioners and Public Works departments to back down on their chip seal

policies. A first step, would be to find out your counties chip seal plan

(find out if they plan on chipping all their roads eventually, and, find out

what rock size they'r going to use), and to get a 2000 schedule, and a 2001

schedule.



I know it seems like a gnarley task, but.... we're getting info here in Lane

County, that all other counties are going to do the same thing Lane County

is; Chip seal every single county road (not just the "remote" ones that

used to get chipped once in a while), and, switch from small chip to 3/8" or

in some cases, even 1/2". In essence, they're going from gravel... to

rocks. Why? Ask yourself... when is the last time you saw a logging truck

on a ride?? Remember years ago, how it used to be a popular topic of

conversation on a road ride.... "damn log trucks...". Well, now that

Oregonians and Washintonians as a whole, succeeded in reducing the logging

industry, it's the cycling community that's going to take it on the chin.

Soon there will be no more money coming in from logging. In Lane County,

we'll be de-coupling from the logging revenue system completely in 2002. It

isn't just roads. Everything county supported will suffer. There's a huge

storm coming, but the public doesn't know about yet, because no politician

wants to be the one to announce it... and then say they're going to have to

raise taxes to offset it. (My own personal - side soap box comment, is that

they're doing the public a huge dis-service by not coming out and dealing

with this now. They knew about it years ago). It will likely take years

for the full damage to hit, and then years longer to dig out of it.



Even if very little headway can be made due to the shortage of logging

dollars, at the very least, we want our elected officials and Public Works

departments, in all counties of our states, to know that making these policy

changes is not "ok", and that it's effecting a large group of roadway users

quite adversely. Think of it this way... We're some of the first ones to

know about this, and have a rare opportunity to make a play now. In a

couple of years, can you imagine the survival / throat cutting / titanic

life raft situation that's going to happen?





A mini-update from Lane County; GEARS, the largest cycling club in LC, and

who had already "joined the fight" earlier this year, has agreed to take the

leadership role in working with the county to try and reverse their chip

policies. Most recently, we met with the Lane County Roads Advisory

Committee (RAC) to present our case. The RAC is a 9 member committee,

consisting of local citizens mostly (some engineers), Public works

officials, and one LC Commissioner. Their job is to make recommendations to

the LC board on how to best spend the road budget. They are also charged

with taking public comment. Our presentation went well, but it is clear

that there is isn't much support, at this point, from the RAC. They did,

however, authorize a Bicycle sub-committee to give us a way to have more in

depth meetings, and some real one on one dialog with them and Public Works.

Currently, we're in a holding pattern, while we develop a list of most

commonly used cycling roads, and, the RAC sub comm will be doing an on site

road tour next week, both of last year's botched roads, and this year's

newly chipped roads. We're all due to meet in October. If we can make any

headway, this time frame would allow Public Works enough time to make

adjustments to next year's schedule. We are asking for a reduction in rock

size from 3/8", down to 1/4", and we are asking for them to "preserve" 150

miles of roadway from ever being chip sealed (keep it paved).



So... here's my pitch; If any person, or group of people, is interested in

persuing this issue in their own county, I can forward you all the

information that we've learned thus far. I'm araid I'm pretty much maxed

out for effort, in trying to fight the Lane County battle, so, I wouldn't be

able to give you much time to fight other county battles. I do have

information, and I would be happy to give advice. Any headway, that any

group can make in their county, will go a long way to help the statewide

cycling community, and promote cycling in general.



Go cycling!





- Bill







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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:19 AM

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] FW: Iowa Hill Rd- road work under way.





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Subject: Iowa Hill Rd- road work under way.





FYI.



To my disappointment Sunday I discovered Washington county is applying

chip-seal (a type of gravel and tar overlay) to Iowa Hill road. We

approached the climb up the west side route (Forest Hill golf course and

Unger Rd? ) but found chip seal just before we hit the crest. We met a rider

making his way up the east side who confirmed the road work began at River

Rd.





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Barila, Phil

2000-08-22

Bummer.



-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:09 AM

Subject: Iowa Hill Rd- road work under way.





FYI.



To my disappointment Sunday I discovered Washington county is applying

chip-seal (a type of gravel and tar overlay) to Iowa Hill road. We

approached the climb up the west side route (Forest Hill golf course and

Unger Rd? ) but found chip seal just before we hit the crest. We met a rider

making his way up the east side who confirmed the road work began at River

Rd.