Fwd: Re: Should I change the dates for the Masters Track

mike.m-@obra.org

2003-08-04



Ernie Conway, E-Racer [mailto:ou-@consystency.net]wrote:

"As noted at one point on the listserve in June/July there was something

like

35 days of continuous/daily racing. That is a lot of events and coordination

and sometimes some flexbility has to take place."



There actual is a 78 day period where there is at least on bike race in

Oregon each day. The schedule currently has 274 separate days of racing.

The days are distributed as follow; mountain bike 44, road 173 (single road

18, circuit 64, stage day road 20, single day crit 33, TT 20), track 47.



There are 112 days of racing on weekends and 162 days of racing on weekdays,

which includes Fridays of some weekend events. Most weekend days have at

least 2 races, generally a mountain bike and a road event. There are

several days were there are 3 or even 4 races on the same day.



In general race organizers do a pretty good job of trying to avoid having

similar types of events on the same day. This makes sense since their event

will suffer if the potential market for participants is spread over 2 or

more events. There have been a couple of examples this year where this has

not occurred. Both of those have involved scheduling a criterium that

conflicts with a State Championship event on the track. Both of the road

events in these cases were events added on to the schedule well after the

fall scheduling. I suspect in both cases the organizers of the road events

were trying to squeeze their events into a crowded schedule and they felt

that they would rather compete with a track event than another road event.

Unfortunately, since nearly all track riders also ride the road, both the

track and the road events will be diminished when this happens.



People have called for OBRA to "fix" this problem by limiting the number of

race days, the number of events or by giving dates exclusively. I am not

sure that any limitation would really be a good idea since it is probably

better to let the market make the decision about what is the "best"

schedule. In addition, we really have little way of preventing someone form

holding a race. The most we could do would be to withhold OBRA services

forcing them to look elsewhere.



Mike Murray



E-Racer

2003-08-04



Several date changes occured this year, so this reply is not aimed at any

one item/event/date/person - but more a reminder about what promoters

continue to deal with throughout the season. Ultimately though: I don't mind

if the Masters Track date changes.



This being OUCH's first attempt at a season series, our original calendar

dates in the fall of 2002 were completely clear and free. However, by the

time the first pass of the calendar came our first date was forced to change

when another race decided to change their dates. Our second date was changed

due to community requirements completely out of our hands - this forced us

to either cancel or try to find a weekend where we could coexist. That

weekend was still busy but we decided rather than cancel to try to work it

out as best we could.

In cases, like that, where community/permits force a move or cancellation,

there is not much to do. However, when a promoter has the option - and

provides feedback - to move an event so as not to infringe or impose on

other events whenever possible, I believe it is a pretty cool thing. The

date change is two weeks - much better than a month or so.



I Agree though about the year long schedule. But some things don't always

work. As many are aware, we had thumb tacks strewn up and down both the ODOT

and county roads during the Larch Mountain event. I'm working with the

community board which meets for the first time since our event - to find out

how the community feels and sees those acts to represent. Will it change the

dates times? Will we even be able to have an event? I don't know but in

2004, I'm hoping to identify the key anchor events of the year and attempt

to secure a date/time when we do not infringe on other events while still

providing a target/highlight race on the schedule.



As noted at one point on the listserve in June/July there was something like

35 days of continuous/daily racing. That is a lot of events and coordination

and sometimes some flexbility has to take place. I have no idea what 2004

will hold, but whenever a promoter offers to change things around so that

more events are available to more racers while not imposing on yet another

event, I say thanks. It's a pretty nice thought and gesture.







----- Original Message -----

From: "steve truesdale" <cycl-@yahoo.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:37 PM

Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBRA Chat] Should I change the dates for the Masters

Track





 

--- steve truesdale <cycl-@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:36:31 -0700 (PDT)

From: steve truesdale <cycl-@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Should I change the dates

for the Masters Track

To: ro-@hevanet.com



When you set up a schedule at the beginning of the

year, people set their training to fit that

schedule.

Now is not the time to change. The start of the year

is the time to decide when is the best time to have

an

event. That is why you have scheduling meetings.

Maybe

next year this can be avoided in advance of the

date.



=====

Steve Truesdale

Digital DJ Service

503-232-1704 (phone)

503-232-1708 (fax)

http://www.digitaldjservice.com





=====

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503-232-1708 (fax)

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steve truesdale

2003-08-03





--- steve truesdale <cycl-@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:36:31 -0700 (PDT)

From: steve truesdale <cycl-@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Should I change the dates

for the Masters Track

To: ro-@hevanet.com



When you set up a schedule at the beginning of the

year, people set their training to fit that

schedule.

Now is not the time to change. The start of the year

is the time to decide when is the best time to have

an

event. That is why you have scheduling meetings.

Maybe

next year this can be avoided in advance of the

date.



=====

Steve Truesdale

Digital DJ Service

503-232-1704 (phone)

503-232-1708 (fax)

http://www.digitaldjservice.com





=====

Steve Truesdale

Digital DJ Service

503-232-1704 (phone)

503-232-1708 (fax)

http://www.digitaldjservice.com