Hazel

For anyone that's interested in getting updates on volunteer opportunities
with NTM email Dave Elkin: Dave.Elkin@oregonmetro.gov The tree planting
will happen on Feb 28th.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Hazel wrote:

> I also am really stoked on how many cyclists showed up for last nights
> meeting! I think another key thing would be to get a large turnout of
> bikers at any of their volunteer events. There was mention last night of a
> tree planting event in January. We should try and get a big group out there
> for that since it would show that we're committed to more than just riding
> our bikes out there!
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Brian Baumann via OBRA > wrote:
>
>> Thanks to everyone who showed up last night and braved the shoulder of
>> HWY 30 to park and walk to the venue. I would add two things to what has
>> already been said:
>> 1. Go to the METRO website and add your comments in favor of mountain
>> bike trails, and ask everyone you know to do the same. Numbers and
>> specific feedback matters. Send them links to other great trail networks in
>> the U.S., send them photos of what an "All Mountain" trail looks like if
>> you desire more advanced trail versus a traditional XC trail, send them
>> your ideal plan for the space, etc. Help us inform them.
>> North Tualatin Mountains natural area | Metro
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> North Tualatin Mountains natural area | Metro
>>
>> View on www.oregonmetro.gov
>>
>> Preview by Yahoo
>>
>> 2. Come and hang out at NWTA's monthly membership meeting (last Tuesdays
>> of the month). *There will not be a meeting in December. The next meeting
>> is in January, and for all of 2015 we will be meeting in the upstairs space
>> at Velo Cult. I'll be the dude wearing a heavy metal or mountain biking
>> t-shirt running the gig, so stop by and chat. Or, if you have any
>> questions email me.
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:22 PM, Martin Fuss via OBRA <
>> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We had a great showing tonight at the Skyline Grange METRO meeting
>> regarding future uses of newly acquired parcels in the North Tualatin
>> Mountains. Ron summarized it the right way, we showed up in numbers and
>> showed that we are citizens that want to share into the use of these lands
>> in a responsible way.
>> Let me preface my observations below by the statement that I have not
>> been involved in any of the prior efforts to get cycling access to public
>> lands in the larger Portland metro area, but I have ridden Forest Park and
>> appreciate that we are barred from miles and miles of great trails that
>> don't see that much use these days, but are reserved for hikers and runners
>> anyway.
>> Here is how I see the situation:
>> 1) The great turn-out tonight can not be a one time success. There will
>> be 2 more meetings, and we will need to be there! If anything, more of us
>> need to show up at the next meeting (tentatively happening in spring). We
>> need to drive the point home that we are not only the possibly largest use
>> community of future trials in the NTM, but that we will be the best and
>> most responsible users of these land, period.
>> 2) The locals are very concerned about "bikers" in "their" woods. They
>> envision a hoard of loud and littering kids that fall upon the land and
>> spoil peace and quiet in their neighborhood. I think they were quite
>> surprised tonight by who we are and how we behave and communicate. Still,
>> they have no idea who we really are, and what we represent as a cycling
>> community. Respect for other users, responsibility, volunteering, and
>> stewardship of the lands and future trails is what we bring to the table -
>> but it will take a friendly, determined communication to convey this to the
>> locals. Lets face it, most of us don't live out there, but we need to make
>> them understand that we can be the best neighbors and visitors they could
>> possibly envision, and actually enhance how this great land can be enjoyed
>> by locals and visitors alike.
>> 3) The big talking point and "concern" will be the protection of the
>> local elks! While these gorgeous animals are rather rarely sighted by
>> locals (I talked to a few of them at the meeting) - and probably next to
>> never by anyone riding the roads out there, the protection of the herd will
>> be the key argument to keep us from these lands. Tonight, a map of local
>> elk sightings was created. No one asked when these sightings occurred, so
>> every sighting in the last decade(s) will be mapped out. The map will
>> probably look like there are elk all over the place at all times - despite
>> the fact that everyone understands that that is not the case with these
>> rather elusive ghosts. We will need to connect with managers of other lands
>> where trails have been built in elk county. We need to understand and
>> formulate how multi-use trails impact on animal well-being, and
>> specifically the health of elk populations. Such info should exist right
>> here in Oregon as well as in Washington, Idaho, California, Uta
>> h and other states. There have to be studies how recreational uses of
>> land impact on elk populations. I feel that this will be critical info at
>> the next meeting.
>> 4) brings me back to point 1. We need to continue to show up and raise
>> our voice in the next meeting! In the meantime, the NWTA and select members
>> of our community should continue the dialog with Dave, the project manager.
>> Lets make sure he and METRO understand that we are in for the long term.
>> That we are willing to put in the work, and that we are METROs best bet to
>> stretch that one million dollar dollar budget that they have until 2018,
>> through our volunteering. I have a hard time imagining that any other
>> community will be willing to put in as much work as we are willing to. That
>> will count for a lot! One of the METRO managers has been involved at Stub
>> Steward, he already understands our value and expertise. Let's work that
>> angle.
>> For those who made it reading that far, I didn't want to bore you. But
>> let's get involved. METRO will listen if we show persistently that we
>> really care.
>> Thanks, Martin
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>

Michael Medina

Yes, and photographic evidence of the lack of a god can disprove his
existence.

On Wed Dec 03 2014 at 3:17:20 PM Eric Aldinger via OBRA
wrote:

> Photo evidence of the lack of elk scat can disprove inaccuracies in the
> sighting map.
>

Eric Aldinger

Photo evidence of the lack of elk scat can disprove inaccuracies in the
sighting map.
On Dec 2, 2014 10:22 PM, "Martin Fuss via OBRA" wrote:

> We had a great showing tonight at the Skyline Grange METRO meeting
> regarding future uses of newly acquired parcels in the North Tualatin
> Mountains. Ron summarized it the right way, we showed up in numbers and
> showed that we are citizens that want to share into the use of these lands
> in a responsible way.
> Let me preface my observations below by the statement that I have not been
> involved in any of the prior efforts to get cycling access to public lands
> in the larger Portland metro area, but I have ridden Forest Park and
> appreciate that we are barred from miles and miles of great trails that
> don't see that much use these days, but are reserved for hikers and runners
> anyway.
> Here is how I see the situation:
> 1) The great turn-out tonight can not be a one time success. There will be
> 2 more meetings, and we will need to be there! If anything, more of us need
> to show up at the next meeting (tentatively happening in spring). We need
> to drive the point home that we are not only the possibly largest use
> community of future trials in the NTM, but that we will be the best and
> most responsible users of these land, period.
> 2) The locals are very concerned about "bikers" in "their" woods. They
> envision a hoard of loud and littering kids that fall upon the land and
> spoil peace and quiet in their neighborhood. I think they were quite
> surprised tonight by who we are and how we behave and communicate. Still,
> they have no idea who we really are, and what we represent as a cycling
> community. Respect for other users, responsibility, volunteering, and
> stewardship of the lands and future trails is what we bring to the table -
> but it will take a friendly, determined communication to convey this to the
> locals. Lets face it, most of us don't live out there, but we need to make
> them understand that we can be the best neighbors and visitors they could
> possibly envision, and actually enhance how this great land can be enjoyed
> by locals and visitors alike.
> 3) The big talking point and "concern" will be the protection of the local
> elks! While these gorgeous animals are rather rarely sighted by locals (I
> talked to a few of them at the meeting) - and probably next to never by
> anyone riding the roads out there, the protection of the herd will be the
> key argument to keep us from these lands. Tonight, a map of local elk
> sightings was created. No one asked when these sightings occurred, so every
> sighting in the last decade(s) will be mapped out. The map will probably
> look like there are elk all over the place at all times - despite the fact
> that everyone understands that that is not the case with these rather
> elusive ghosts. We will need to connect with managers of other lands where
> trails have been built in elk county. We need to understand and formulate
> how multi-use trails impact on animal well-being, and specifically the
> health of elk populations. Such info should exist right here in Oregon as
> well as in Washington, Idaho, California, Uta
> h and other states. There have to be studies how recreational uses of
> land impact on elk populations. I feel that this will be critical info at
> the next meeting.
> 4) brings me back to point 1. We need to continue to show up and raise our
> voice in the next meeting! In the meantime, the NWTA and select members of
> our community should continue the dialog with Dave, the project manager.
> Lets make sure he and METRO understand that we are in for the long term.
> That we are willing to put in the work, and that we are METROs best bet to
> stretch that one million dollar dollar budget that they have until 2018,
> through our volunteering. I have a hard time imagining that any other
> community will be willing to put in as much work as we are willing to. That
> will count for a lot! One of the METRO managers has been involved at Stub
> Steward, he already understands our value and expertise. Let's work that
> angle.
> For those who made it reading that far, I didn't want to bore you. But
> let's get involved. METRO will listen if we show persistently that we
> really care.
> Thanks, Martin
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

Hazel

I also am really stoked on how many cyclists showed up for last nights
meeting! I think another key thing would be to get a large turnout of
bikers at any of their volunteer events. There was mention last night of a
tree planting event in January. We should try and get a big group out there
for that since it would show that we're committed to more than just riding
our bikes out there!

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Brian Baumann via OBRA
wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who showed up last night and braved the shoulder of HWY
> 30 to park and walk to the venue. I would add two things to what has
> already been said:
> 1. Go to the METRO website and add your comments in favor of mountain
> bike trails, and ask everyone you know to do the same. Numbers and
> specific feedback matters. Send them links to other great trail networks in
> the U.S., send them photos of what an "All Mountain" trail looks like if
> you desire more advanced trail versus a traditional XC trail, send them
> your ideal plan for the space, etc. Help us inform them.
> North Tualatin Mountains natural area | Metro
>
>
>
> [image: image]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> North Tualatin Mountains natural area | Metro
>
> View on www.oregonmetro.gov
>
> Preview by Yahoo
>
> 2. Come and hang out at NWTA's monthly membership meeting (last Tuesdays
> of the month). *There will not be a meeting in December. The next meeting
> is in January, and for all of 2015 we will be meeting in the upstairs space
> at Velo Cult. I'll be the dude wearing a heavy metal or mountain biking
> t-shirt running the gig, so stop by and chat. Or, if you have any
> questions email me.
> Cheers!
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:22 PM, Martin Fuss via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>
>
> We had a great showing tonight at the Skyline Grange METRO meeting
> regarding future uses of newly acquired parcels in the North Tualatin
> Mountains. Ron summarized it the right way, we showed up in numbers and
> showed that we are citizens that want to share into the use of these lands
> in a responsible way.
> Let me preface my observations below by the statement that I have not been
> involved in any of the prior efforts to get cycling access to public lands
> in the larger Portland metro area, but I have ridden Forest Park and
> appreciate that we are barred from miles and miles of great trails that
> don't see that much use these days, but are reserved for hikers and runners
> anyway.
> Here is how I see the situation:
> 1) The great turn-out tonight can not be a one time success. There will be
> 2 more meetings, and we will need to be there! If anything, more of us need
> to show up at the next meeting (tentatively happening in spring). We need
> to drive the point home that we are not only the possibly largest use
> community of future trials in the NTM, but that we will be the best and
> most responsible users of these land, period.
> 2) The locals are very concerned about "bikers" in "their" woods. They
> envision a hoard of loud and littering kids that fall upon the land and
> spoil peace and quiet in their neighborhood. I think they were quite
> surprised tonight by who we are and how we behave and communicate. Still,
> they have no idea who we really are, and what we represent as a cycling
> community. Respect for other users, responsibility, volunteering, and
> stewardship of the lands and future trails is what we bring to the table -
> but it will take a friendly, determined communication to convey this to the
> locals. Lets face it, most of us don't live out there, but we need to make
> them understand that we can be the best neighbors and visitors they could
> possibly envision, and actually enhance how this great land can be enjoyed
> by locals and visitors alike.
> 3) The big talking point and "concern" will be the protection of the local
> elks! While these gorgeous animals are rather rarely sighted by locals (I
> talked to a few of them at the meeting) - and probably next to never by
> anyone riding the roads out there, the protection of the herd will be the
> key argument to keep us from these lands. Tonight, a map of local elk
> sightings was created. No one asked when these sightings occurred, so every
> sighting in the last decade(s) will be mapped out. The map will probably
> look like there are elk all over the place at all times - despite the fact
> that everyone understands that that is not the case with these rather
> elusive ghosts. We will need to connect with managers of other lands where
> trails have been built in elk county. We need to understand and formulate
> how multi-use trails impact on animal well-being, and specifically the
> health of elk populations. Such info should exist right here in Oregon as
> well as in Washington, Idaho, California, Uta
> h and other states. There have to be studies how recreational uses of land
> impact on elk populations. I feel that this will be critical info at the
> next meeting.
> 4) brings me back to point 1. We need to continue to show up and raise our
> voice in the next meeting! In the meantime, the NWTA and select members of
> our community should continue the dialog with Dave, the project manager.
> Lets make sure he and METRO understand that we are in for the long term.
> That we are willing to put in the work, and that we are METROs best bet to
> stretch that one million dollar dollar budget that they have until 2018,
> through our volunteering. I have a hard time imagining that any other
> community will be willing to put in as much work as we are willing to. That
> will count for a lot! One of the METRO managers has been involved at Stub
> Steward, he already understands our value and expertise. Let's work that
> angle.
> For those who made it reading that far, I didn't want to bore you. But
> let's get involved. METRO will listen if we show persistently that we
> really care.
> Thanks, Martin
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
>
>
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>

Brian Baumann

Thanks to everyone who showed up last night and braved the shoulder of HWY 30 to park and walk to the venue.  I would add two things to what has already been said:1.  Go to the METRO website and add your comments in favor of mountain bike trails, and ask everyone you know to do the same.  Numbers and specific feedback matters. Send them links to other great trail networks in the U.S., send them photos of what an "All Mountain" trail looks like if you desire more advanced trail versus a traditional XC trail, send them your ideal plan for the space, etc.  Help us inform them. North Tualatin Mountains natural area | Metro
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2.  Come and hang out at NWTA's monthly membership meeting (last Tuesdays of the month).  *There will not be a meeting in December.  The next meeting is in January, and for all of 2015 we will be meeting in the upstairs space at Velo Cult.  I'll be the dude wearing a heavy metal or mountain biking t-shirt running the gig, so stop by and chat.  Or, if you have any questions email me.Cheers!

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:22 PM, Martin Fuss via OBRA wrote:

We had a great showing tonight at the Skyline Grange METRO meeting regarding future uses of newly acquired parcels in the North Tualatin Mountains. Ron summarized it the right way, we showed up in numbers and showed that we are citizens that want to share into the use of these lands in a  responsible way.
Let me preface my observations below by the statement that I have not been involved in any of the prior efforts to get cycling access to public lands in the larger Portland metro area, but I have ridden Forest Park and appreciate that we are barred from miles and miles of great trails that don't see that much use these days, but are reserved for hikers and runners anyway.
Here is how I see the situation:
1) The great turn-out tonight can not be a one time success. There will be 2 more meetings, and we will need to be there! If anything, more of us need to show up at the next meeting (tentatively happening in spring). We need to drive the point home that we are not only the possibly largest use community of future trials in the NTM, but that we will be the best and most responsible users of these land, period.
2) The locals are very concerned about "bikers" in "their" woods. They envision a hoard of loud and littering kids that fall upon the land and spoil peace and quiet in their neighborhood. I think they were quite surprised tonight by who we are and how we behave and communicate. Still, they have no idea who we really are, and what we represent as a cycling community. Respect for other users, responsibility, volunteering, and stewardship of the lands and future trails is what we bring to the table - but it will take a friendly, determined communication to convey this to the locals. Lets face it, most of us don't live out there, but we need to make them understand that we can be the best neighbors and visitors they could possibly envision, and actually enhance how this great land can be enjoyed by locals and visitors alike.
3) The big talking point and "concern" will be the protection of the local elks! While these gorgeous animals are rather rarely sighted by locals (I talked to a few of them at the meeting) - and probably next to never by anyone riding the roads out there, the protection of the herd will be the key argument to keep us from these lands. Tonight, a map of local elk sightings was created. No one asked when these sightings occurred, so every sighting in the last decade(s) will be mapped out. The map will probably look like there are elk all over the place at all times - despite the fact that everyone understands that that is not the case with these rather elusive ghosts. We will need to connect with managers of other lands where trails have been built in elk county. We need to understand and formulate how multi-use trails impact on animal well-being, and specifically the health of elk populations. Such info should exist right here in Oregon as well as in Washington, Idaho, California, Uta
h and other states. There have to be studies how recreational uses of land impact on elk populations. I feel that this will be critical info at the next meeting.
4) brings me back to point 1. We need to continue to show up and raise our voice in the next meeting! In the meantime, the NWTA and select members of our community should continue the dialog with Dave, the project manager. Lets make sure he and METRO understand that we are in for the long term. That we are willing to put in the work, and that we are METROs best bet to stretch that one million dollar dollar budget that they have until 2018, through our volunteering. I have a hard time imagining that any other community will be willing to put in as much work as we are willing to. That will count for a lot! One of the METRO managers has been involved at Stub Steward, he already understands our value and expertise. Let's work that angle.
For those who made it reading that far, I didn't want to bore you. But let's get involved. METRO will listen if we show persistently that we really care.
Thanks, Martin
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Martin Fuss

We had a great showing tonight at the Skyline Grange METRO meeting regarding future uses of newly acquired parcels in the North Tualatin Mountains. Ron summarized it the right way, we showed up in numbers and showed that we are citizens that want to share into the use of these lands in a responsible way.
Let me preface my observations below by the statement that I have not been involved in any of the prior efforts to get cycling access to public lands in the larger Portland metro area, but I have ridden Forest Park and appreciate that we are barred from miles and miles of great trails that don't see that much use these days, but are reserved for hikers and runners anyway.
Here is how I see the situation:
1) The great turn-out tonight can not be a one time success. There will be 2 more meetings, and we will need to be there! If anything, more of us need to show up at the next meeting (tentatively happening in spring). We need to drive the point home that we are not only the possibly largest use community of future trials in the NTM, but that we will be the best and most responsible users of these land, period.
2) The locals are very concerned about "bikers" in "their" woods. They envision a hoard of loud and littering kids that fall upon the land and spoil peace and quiet in their neighborhood. I think they were quite surprised tonight by who we are and how we behave and communicate. Still, they have no idea who we really are, and what we represent as a cycling community. Respect for other users, responsibility, volunteering, and stewardship of the lands and future trails is what we bring to the table - but it will take a friendly, determined communication to convey this to the locals. Lets face it, most of us don't live out there, but we need to make them understand that we can be the best neighbors and visitors they could possibly envision, and actually enhance how this great land can be enjoyed by locals and visitors alike.
3) The big talking point and "concern" will be the protection of the local elks! While these gorgeous animals are rather rarely sighted by locals (I talked to a few of them at the meeting) - and probably next to never by anyone riding the roads out there, the protection of the herd will be the key argument to keep us from these lands. Tonight, a map of local elk sightings was created. No one asked when these sightings occurred, so every sighting in the last decade(s) will be mapped out. The map will probably look like there are elk all over the place at all times - despite the fact that everyone understands that that is not the case with these rather elusive ghosts. We will need to connect with managers of other lands where trails have been built in elk county. We need to understand and formulate how multi-use trails impact on animal well-being, and specifically the health of elk populations. Such info should exist right here in Oregon as well as in Washington, Idaho, California, Uta
h and other states. There have to be studies how recreational uses of land impact on elk populations. I feel that this will be critical info at the next meeting.
4) brings me back to point 1. We need to continue to show up and raise our voice in the next meeting! In the meantime, the NWTA and select members of our community should continue the dialog with Dave, the project manager. Lets make sure he and METRO understand that we are in for the long term. That we are willing to put in the work, and that we are METROs best bet to stretch that one million dollar dollar budget that they have until 2018, through our volunteering. I have a hard time imagining that any other community will be willing to put in as much work as we are willing to. That will count for a lot! One of the METRO managers has been involved at Stub Steward, he already understands our value and expertise. Let's work that angle.
For those who made it reading that far, I didn't want to bore you. But let's get involved. METRO will listen if we show persistently that we really care.
Thanks, Martin