OBRA: OBRA Chat: Dog on SW 58th

Eric Kytola

2003-09-30

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you should market one called "stroller parent" for parents that are pushing

their kids in strollers to use on those people who send their dogs over to

lick the little tikes faces.

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Houghton [mailto:brm-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:49 AM

To: jo-@consumer-care.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

You guys know I sell pepper spray, right? It does not harm the dog [or

hostile motorists] the effects wear off in 1/2 hr.to an hour [I know first

hand] and it comes in a variety of delivery systems. I have a new one

called the "Jogger" with elastic velcro straps.

LMK if you are interested and I'll direct you to my web site. We can work

something out on shipping.

Dan.

From: Jon Nigbor

Reply-To: jo-@consumer-care.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:56:08 -0700

On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border Collie. It was on a

short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

Beware of this dog.

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<P>You guys know I sell pepper spray, right? It does not harm the dog [or

hostile motorists] the effects wear off in 1/2 hr.to an hour [I know first

hand] and it comes in a variety of delivery systems. I have a new one

called the "Jogger" with elastic velcro straps.</P>

<P>LMK if you are interested and I'll direct you to my web site. We can

work something out on shipping.</P>

<P>Dan.<BR><BR></P></DIV>

<DIV></DIV>>From: Jon Nigbor <JO-@CONSUMER-CARE.COM>

<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: jo-@consumer-care.com

<DIV></DIV>>To: ob-@topica.com

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

<DIV></DIV>>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:56:08 -0700

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<DIV></DIV>>On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border

Collie. It was on a

<DIV></DIV>>short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Beware of this dog.

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Dan Houghton

2003-09-30

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<P>You guys know I sell pepper spray, right? It does not harm the dog [or hostile motorists] the effects wear off in 1/2 hr.to an hour [I know first hand] and it comes in a variety of delivery systems. I have a new one called the "Jogger" with elastic velcro straps.</P>

<P>LMK if you are interested and I'll direct you to my web site. We can work something out on shipping.</P>

<P>Dan.<BR><BR></P></DIV>

<DIV></DIV>>From: Jon Nigbor <JO-@CONSUMER-CARE.COM>

<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: jo-@consumer-care.com

<DIV></DIV>>To: ob-@topica.com

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

<DIV></DIV>>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:56:08 -0700

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<DIV></DIV>>On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border Collie. It was on a

<DIV></DIV>>short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

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<DIV></DIV>>Beware of this dog.

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Doug Evans

2003-09-29

Anyone wishing to get many sides of the dog at large issue should go look at the historical obra posts on topica. You will find a very lengthy discussion which became very heated and drove many OBRA list people nuts before it finally ended.

Please review this prior to continuing this thread. I'm sure that I am not the only one who fears the rehashing of this topic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jo-@aracnet.com [mailto:jo-@aracnet.com]

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:24 PM

To: jo-@consumer-care.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border Collie. It was on a

short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

Beware of this dog. It was quite determined to bite verses simply make lots

of noise.

I later approached the owner with a Portland Police officer. The owner

stated that the dog "does not like bicyclists". I am working with the

Police to insure the dog is either restrained or put down.

If you or anyone else has had a bad experience with this dog, please e-mail

me your story.

This dog also attacked and nearly bit Ivan Meadors. See his story below:

In regards to a bicycle-related dog attack I experienced on SW 58th, a road

that climbs approximately from

SW Skyline Blvd to Salmon Street. I was cycling up the climb on SW 58,

avoiding the traffic on SW Skyline Blvd

which is a moderately busy street with minimal space for cyclists. About

halfway up the climb, a dog came

charging out of a yard and down the slope of a driveway from my left. I was

able to proceed on up the climb and

considered it a random occurrence. However, upon taking the same route a

week later, once again staying off the

less bike-friendly street of SW Skyline Blvd, I climbed past this house

halfway up the climb and again this dog

charged down the driveway and got in front of me. By it's actions, it

prevented me from passing and I dismounted

from the bicycle. The dog continued to circle around me, barking fiercely

and showing no thought of returning to

it's property. Shortly, after obviously hearing the barking and my shouting

at the dog, the owner came out and tried

to restrict the dog from chasing me. The dog continued to try and circle

around me while evading the owner. After a

brief struggle, the dog's owner was able to direct it into the yard and I

remounted the bicycle and rode away, up the

hill. The dog apparently slipped loose from the owner, as it continued

briefly to bark and chase until I was a couple

of blocks away. Upon subsequent rides through that neighborhood, I chose an

alternative route. Unfortunately, I did

not report this incident thus allowing the dog to remain free to leave it's

property and chase/attack other cyclists.

These incidents occurred in the fall of 2002, about a week apart.

Ivan Meadors

Part of the problem has to do with what the dog is 'trained' to do. A border

collie is bred to herd. Whether that be sheep, cows or bicyclists. They are

also very protective of their land.

I am not saying that what the dog did is justified, but the owner is

responsible for keeping the dog fenced in or tied up. Follow through with the

owner for any damage/citations. Destroying the dog should be the last resort,

but make sure the owner is more than aware that failure to restrain the dog

could result in the dog being put down.

Joe

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jo-@aracnet.com

2003-09-29

On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border Collie. It was on a

short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

Beware of this dog. It was quite determined to bite verses simply make lots

of noise.

I later approached the owner with a Portland Police officer. The owner

stated that the dog "does not like bicyclists". I am working with the

Police to insure the dog is either restrained or put down.

If you or anyone else has had a bad experience with this dog, please e-mail

me your story.

This dog also attacked and nearly bit Ivan Meadors. See his story below:

In regards to a bicycle-related dog attack I experienced on SW 58th, a road

that climbs approximately from

SW Skyline Blvd to Salmon Street. I was cycling up the climb on SW 58,

avoiding the traffic on SW Skyline Blvd

which is a moderately busy street with minimal space for cyclists. About

halfway up the climb, a dog came

charging out of a yard and down the slope of a driveway from my left. I was

able to proceed on up the climb and

considered it a random occurrence. However, upon taking the same route a

week later, once again staying off the

less bike-friendly street of SW Skyline Blvd, I climbed past this house

halfway up the climb and again this dog

charged down the driveway and got in front of me. By it's actions, it

prevented me from passing and I dismounted

from the bicycle. The dog continued to circle around me, barking fiercely

and showing no thought of returning to

it's property. Shortly, after obviously hearing the barking and my shouting

at the dog, the owner came out and tried

to restrict the dog from chasing me. The dog continued to try and circle

around me while evading the owner. After a

brief struggle, the dog's owner was able to direct it into the yard and I

remounted the bicycle and rode away, up the

hill. The dog apparently slipped loose from the owner, as it continued

briefly to bark and chase until I was a couple

of blocks away. Upon subsequent rides through that neighborhood, I chose an

alternative route. Unfortunately, I did

not report this incident thus allowing the dog to remain free to leave it's

property and chase/attack other cyclists.

These incidents occurred in the fall of 2002, about a week apart.

Ivan Meadors

Part of the problem has to do with what the dog is 'trained' to do. A border

collie is bred to herd. Whether that be sheep, cows or bicyclists. They are

also very protective of their land.

I am not saying that what the dog did is justified, but the owner is

responsible for keeping the dog fenced in or tied up. Follow through with the

owner for any damage/citations. Destroying the dog should be the last resort,

but make sure the owner is more than aware that failure to restrain the dog

could result in the dog being put down.

Joe

Jon Nigbor

2003-09-29

Keith, I've encountered many dogs over the years. Water often works. This

was different and riding another couple of miles an hour up a pretty good

grade wouldn't have done much either. This dog was quite viscous.

It would have taken down your wife or my girlfriend and caused serious

damage. Plus, they wouldn't have ridden as fast as I was riding. Believe

me I didn't just kick back and let it bite me. I did accelerate and yell

"NO, NO, HEY, HEY, NO, NO....", while pointing at it and looking at it in

the eye. In the split second I looked away to make a final "attack" sprint

away it struck. My "fleeing" didn't help nor did "sticking" around and

yelling.

If you'd like to try the water or riding faster, go check out SW 58th.

You'll surely get in some fast hill repeats!

----- Original Message -----

From: "Keith A. Prior" <toka-@ix.netcom.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:08 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

Just pull out the water bottle and give him a squirt. That has repelled

every dog that has ever approached me whilst out pedalin' ! Dogs are big

chickens for the most part and respond quite well to a blast from the

bottle. If they don't respond to the water reach for the Cytomax bottle

and

give them an eyefull! :)

-K

----- Original Message -----

From: "Shane Stent" <sst-@msn.com>

To: <jo-@consumer-care.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

climb faster....don't have the dog put down

----Original Message Follows----

From: Jon Nigbor <jo-@consumer-care.com>

Reply-To: jo-@consumer-care.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:56:08 -0700

On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border Collie. It was

on

a

short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

Beware of this dog. It was quite determined to bite verses simply make

lots

of noise.

I later approached the owner with a Portland Police officer. The owner

stated that the dog "does not like bicyclists". I am working with the

Police to insure the dog is either restrained or put down.

If you or anyone else has had a bad experience with this dog, please

e-mail

me your story.

This dog also attacked and nearly bit Ivan Meadors. See his story

below:

In regards to a bicycle-related dog attack I experienced on SW 58th, a

road

that climbs approximately from

SW Skyline Blvd to Salmon Street. I was cycling up the climb on SW 58,

avoiding the traffic on SW Skyline Blvd

which is a moderately busy street with minimal space for cyclists. About

halfway up the climb, a dog came

charging out of a yard and down the slope of a driveway from my left. I

was

able to proceed on up the climb and

considered it a random occurrence. However, upon taking the same route a

week later, once again staying off the

less bike-friendly street of SW Skyline Blvd, I climbed past this house

halfway up the climb and again this dog

charged down the driveway and got in front of me. By it's actions, it

prevented me from passing and I dismounted

from the bicycle. The dog continued to circle around me, barking

fiercely

and showing no thought of returning to

it's property. Shortly, after obviously hearing the barking and my

shouting

at the dog, the owner came out and tried

to restrict the dog from chasing me. The dog continued to try and circle

around me while evading the owner. After a

brief struggle, the dog's owner was able to direct it into the yard and

I

remounted the bicycle and rode away, up the

hill. The dog apparently slipped loose from the owner, as it continued

briefly to bark and chase until I was a couple

of blocks away. Upon subsequent rides through that neighborhood, I chose

an

alternative route. Unfortunately, I did

not report this incident thus allowing the dog to remain free to leave

it's

property and chase/attack other cyclists.

These incidents occurred in the fall of 2002, about a week apart.

Ivan Meadors

Please send any other experiences to me at this e-mail address. Thanks!

______________________

Jon Nigbor

President

Consumer Care Corporation

p. 800.272.7222 (orders)

p. 503.230.0406

f. 503.230.1854

jo-@consumer-care.com

www.ccclink.net (pin# 2356-1243)

www.consumer-care.com

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Keith A. Prior

2003-09-29

Just pull out the water bottle and give him a squirt. That has repelled

every dog that has ever approached me whilst out pedalin' ! Dogs are big

chickens for the most part and respond quite well to a blast from the

bottle. If they don't respond to the water reach for the Cytomax bottle and

give them an eyefull! :)

-K

----- Original Message -----

From: "Shane Stent" <sst-@msn.com>

To: <jo-@consumer-care.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

climb faster....don't have the dog put down

----Original Message Follows----

From: Jon Nigbor <jo-@consumer-care.com>

Reply-To: jo-@consumer-care.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:56:08 -0700

On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border Collie. It was on

a

short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

Beware of this dog. It was quite determined to bite verses simply make

lots

of noise.

I later approached the owner with a Portland Police officer. The owner

stated that the dog "does not like bicyclists". I am working with the

Police to insure the dog is either restrained or put down.

If you or anyone else has had a bad experience with this dog, please

e-mail

me your story.

This dog also attacked and nearly bit Ivan Meadors. See his story below:

In regards to a bicycle-related dog attack I experienced on SW 58th, a

road

that climbs approximately from

SW Skyline Blvd to Salmon Street. I was cycling up the climb on SW 58,

avoiding the traffic on SW Skyline Blvd

which is a moderately busy street with minimal space for cyclists. About

halfway up the climb, a dog came

charging out of a yard and down the slope of a driveway from my left. I

was

able to proceed on up the climb and

considered it a random occurrence. However, upon taking the same route a

week later, once again staying off the

less bike-friendly street of SW Skyline Blvd, I climbed past this house

halfway up the climb and again this dog

charged down the driveway and got in front of me. By it's actions, it

prevented me from passing and I dismounted

from the bicycle. The dog continued to circle around me, barking fiercely

and showing no thought of returning to

it's property. Shortly, after obviously hearing the barking and my

shouting

at the dog, the owner came out and tried

to restrict the dog from chasing me. The dog continued to try and circle

around me while evading the owner. After a

brief struggle, the dog's owner was able to direct it into the yard and I

remounted the bicycle and rode away, up the

hill. The dog apparently slipped loose from the owner, as it continued

briefly to bark and chase until I was a couple

of blocks away. Upon subsequent rides through that neighborhood, I chose

an

alternative route. Unfortunately, I did

not report this incident thus allowing the dog to remain free to leave

it's

property and chase/attack other cyclists.

These incidents occurred in the fall of 2002, about a week apart.

Ivan Meadors

Please send any other experiences to me at this e-mail address. Thanks!

______________________

Jon Nigbor

President

Consumer Care Corporation

p. 800.272.7222 (orders)

p. 503.230.0406

f. 503.230.1854

jo-@consumer-care.com

www.ccclink.net (pin# 2356-1243)

www.consumer-care.com

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Shane Stent

2003-09-29

climb faster....don't have the dog put down

----Original Message Follows----

From: Jon Nigbor <jo-@consumer-care.com>

Reply-To: jo-@consumer-care.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Dog on SW 58th

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:56:08 -0700

On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border Collie. It was on a

short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

Beware of this dog. It was quite determined to bite verses simply make lots

of noise.

I later approached the owner with a Portland Police officer. The owner

stated that the dog "does not like bicyclists". I am working with the

Police to insure the dog is either restrained or put down.

If you or anyone else has had a bad experience with this dog, please e-mail

me your story.

This dog also attacked and nearly bit Ivan Meadors. See his story below:

In regards to a bicycle-related dog attack I experienced on SW 58th, a road

that climbs approximately from

SW Skyline Blvd to Salmon Street. I was cycling up the climb on SW 58,

avoiding the traffic on SW Skyline Blvd

which is a moderately busy street with minimal space for cyclists. About

halfway up the climb, a dog came

charging out of a yard and down the slope of a driveway from my left. I was

able to proceed on up the climb and

considered it a random occurrence. However, upon taking the same route a

week later, once again staying off the

less bike-friendly street of SW Skyline Blvd, I climbed past this house

halfway up the climb and again this dog

charged down the driveway and got in front of me. By it's actions, it

prevented me from passing and I dismounted

from the bicycle. The dog continued to circle around me, barking fiercely

and showing no thought of returning to

it's property. Shortly, after obviously hearing the barking and my shouting

at the dog, the owner came out and tried

to restrict the dog from chasing me. The dog continued to try and circle

around me while evading the owner. After a

brief struggle, the dog's owner was able to direct it into the yard and I

remounted the bicycle and rode away, up the

hill. The dog apparently slipped loose from the owner, as it continued

briefly to bark and chase until I was a couple

of blocks away. Upon subsequent rides through that neighborhood, I chose an

alternative route. Unfortunately, I did

not report this incident thus allowing the dog to remain free to leave it's

property and chase/attack other cyclists.

These incidents occurred in the fall of 2002, about a week apart.

Ivan Meadors

Please send any other experiences to me at this e-mail address. Thanks!

______________________

Jon Nigbor

President

Consumer Care Corporation

p. 800.272.7222 (orders)

p. 503.230.0406

f. 503.230.1854

jo-@consumer-care.com

www.ccclink.net (pin# 2356-1243)

www.consumer-care.com

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Jon Nigbor

2003-09-29

On August 27th, I was bitten by a black & white Border Collie. It was on a

short climb from Skyline to Salmon street on SW 58th.

Beware of this dog. It was quite determined to bite verses simply make lots

of noise.

I later approached the owner with a Portland Police officer. The owner

stated that the dog "does not like bicyclists". I am working with the

Police to insure the dog is either restrained or put down.

If you or anyone else has had a bad experience with this dog, please e-mail

me your story.

This dog also attacked and nearly bit Ivan Meadors. See his story below:

In regards to a bicycle-related dog attack I experienced on SW 58th, a road

that climbs approximately from

SW Skyline Blvd to Salmon Street. I was cycling up the climb on SW 58,

avoiding the traffic on SW Skyline Blvd

which is a moderately busy street with minimal space for cyclists. About

halfway up the climb, a dog came

charging out of a yard and down the slope of a driveway from my left. I was

able to proceed on up the climb and

considered it a random occurrence. However, upon taking the same route a

week later, once again staying off the

less bike-friendly street of SW Skyline Blvd, I climbed past this house

halfway up the climb and again this dog

charged down the driveway and got in front of me. By it's actions, it

prevented me from passing and I dismounted

from the bicycle. The dog continued to circle around me, barking fiercely

and showing no thought of returning to

it's property. Shortly, after obviously hearing the barking and my shouting

at the dog, the owner came out and tried

to restrict the dog from chasing me. The dog continued to try and circle

around me while evading the owner. After a

brief struggle, the dog's owner was able to direct it into the yard and I

remounted the bicycle and rode away, up the

hill. The dog apparently slipped loose from the owner, as it continued

briefly to bark and chase until I was a couple

of blocks away. Upon subsequent rides through that neighborhood, I chose an

alternative route. Unfortunately, I did

not report this incident thus allowing the dog to remain free to leave it's

property and chase/attack other cyclists.

These incidents occurred in the fall of 2002, about a week apart.

Ivan Meadors

Please send any other experiences to me at this e-mail address. Thanks!

______________________

Jon Nigbor

President

Consumer Care Corporation

p. 800.272.7222 (orders)

p. 503.230.0406

f. 503.230.1854

jo-@consumer-care.com

www.ccclink.net (pin# 2356-1243)

www.consumer-care.com

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