T. Kenji Sugahara

Brett-

If they're coming at you and won't move, do a running dismount,
shoulder your bike. Voila- you're a pedestrian. And if they give you
flack, tell them you're a pedestrian just like them.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 4:48 PM, john via OBRA wrote:
> My opinion is that Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right away. If we restrict
> walking we are doomed. Being able to walk (in my opinion) is a basic human
> right , and if that right (of way) is lost or taken away, then to me that is
> the definition of prison (restricting one's movement).
>
> Thus I try, within reason, to do whatever it takes to accommodate a
> pedestrian.
>
> So Yes I think you did exactly the right thing, you were fully
> accommodating. Not much more you can do. Well maybe next time jump into
> the ditch and stay at least 10 feet away while apologizing profusely : )
> Just kidding (although if there are little pedestrians around, I will slow
> way down to just above walking pace and give they as much berth as possible,
> even if that means heading off a paved path on the road bike into the mud
> and grass... I just imagine them darting out in front of me...) and I will
> ride (way) behind pedestrians for as long as it takes until it is safe to
> pass.
>
> my opinion: 'Being on foot' is a basic right, anything else isn't.
>
> That said, I also feel there is a hierarchy, with any human powered
> transportation next in line to 'being-on-foot'.
>
> Another pet peeve. It is NOT a pedestrian's responsibility to make sure you
> see them. If you can't/didn't see them, it's your fault ! You shouldn't
> be driving, riding, etc, or should be paying better attention! That said, I
> have reflective gear and a blinky light when I am walking. But I shouldn't
> have to!
>
> John Schmidt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Bill Holmes via OBRA
> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion man.
>>
>> > On Jan 4, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Brett via OBRA wrote:
>> >
>> > I pass more pedestrians than most people since my bike commute requires
>> > me to ride on multi-use trails for several miles and along road shoulders
>> > that people tend to walk on. I try to ride at reasonable speeds and give
>> > pedestrians plenty of room. Most people are awesome but once in a rare while
>> > you pass some #$@*! hole (cuss word removed for juniors that read this
>> > thread) that gives you an earful for riding a bike.
>> >
>> > Just recently I was riding on the shoulder (not sidewalk) of a fairly
>> > busy road that was easily wide enough for two people to pass. A woman was
>> > walking towards me centered in the shoulder so I couldn't pass on either
>> > side. She could see me coming for awhile and could have easily stepped to
>> > the side with out stopping and shared the shoulder. I couldn't go around her
>> > by going into the road because cars were coming from behind me that she
>> > could clearly see. I had to stop and wait for her to move so I didn't get
>> > run over. She then started ranting on how I was in her way and how I
>> > shouldn't be in the shoulder of the road. I am sure she would also complain
>> > if she was in a car and I was in the road blocking traffic. A heated
>> > exchange followed. I wish I had a better response at the time.
>> >
>> > What would you have done?
>> > Normally in this situation you are riding away in the opposite direction
>> > and only have time for one comment. Does anyone have any good one liners?
>> >
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Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
Phone: 503-278-5550
http://www.obra.org

Paul Kanz

In my college running period, my training partner got hit with:

Failure to yield to vehicle: http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/814.040

We where running against traffic, single file, and on a narrow shoulder.
A car cross the solid center line to get around us. The moto cop
behind the car didn't like that.

Just saying.

On Mon, 4 Jan 2016, john via OBRA wrote:

> My opinion is that Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right away. If we restrict walking we are doomed.  Being able to walk (in my opinion) is a basic human right ,
> and if that right (of way) is lost or taken away, then to me that is the definition of prison  (restricting one's movement). 
> Thus I try, within reason, to do whatever it takes to accommodate a pedestrian.
>
> So Yes I think you did exactly the right thing, you were fully accommodating.  Not much more you can do.   Well maybe next time jump into the ditch and stay at
> least 10 feet away while apologizing profusely : )  Just kidding  (although if there are little pedestrians around, I will slow way down to just above walking
> pace and give they as much berth as possible, even if that means heading off a paved path on the road bike into the mud and grass... I just imagine them
> darting out in front of me...)   and I will ride (way) behind pedestrians for as long as it takes until it is safe to pass.
>
> my opinion:  'Being on foot' is a basic right, anything else isn't.  
>
> That said, I also feel there is a hierarchy, with any human powered transportation next in line to  'being-on-foot'.  
>
> Another pet peeve.  It is NOT a pedestrian's responsibility to make sure you see them.  If you can't/didn't see them, it's your fault !   You shouldn't be
> driving, riding, etc, or should be paying better attention!  That said, I have reflective gear and a blinky light when I am walking.  But I shouldn't have to!
>   
>
> John Schmidt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Bill Holmes via OBRA wrote:
> Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion man.
>
> > On Jan 4, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Brett via OBRA wrote:
> >
> > I pass more pedestrians than most people since my bike commute requires me to ride on multi-use trails for several miles and along road shoulders
> that people tend to walk on. I try to ride at reasonable speeds and give pedestrians plenty of room. Most people are awesome but once in a rare
> while you pass some #$@*! hole (cuss word removed for juniors that read this thread) that gives you an earful for riding a bike.
> >
> > Just recently I was riding on the shoulder (not sidewalk) of a fairly busy road that was easily wide enough for two people to pass. A woman was
> walking towards me centered in the shoulder so I couldn't pass on either side. She could see me coming for awhile and could have easily stepped to
> the side with out stopping and shared the shoulder. I couldn't go around her by going into the road because cars were coming from behind me that
> she could clearly see. I had to stop and wait for her to move so I didn't get run over. She then started ranting on how I was in her way and how I
> shouldn't be in the shoulder of the road. I am sure she would also complain if she was in a car and I was in the road blocking traffic. A heated
> exchange followed. I wish I had a better response at the time.
> >
> > What would you have done?
> > Normally in this situation you are riding away in the opposite direction and only have time for one comment. Does anyone have any good one
> liners?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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john

My opinion is that Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right away. If we restrict
walking we are doomed. Being able to walk (in my opinion) is a basic human
right , and if that right (of way) is lost or taken away, then to me that
is the definition of prison (restricting one's movement).

Thus I try, within reason, to do whatever it takes to accommodate a
pedestrian.

So Yes I think you did exactly the right thing, you were fully
accommodating. Not much more you can do. Well maybe next time jump into
the ditch and stay at least 10 feet away while apologizing profusely : )
Just kidding (although if there are little pedestrians around, I will
slow way down to just above walking pace and give they as much berth as
possible, even if that means heading off a paved path on the road bike into
the mud and grass... I just imagine them darting out in front of me...)
and I will ride (way) behind pedestrians for as long as it takes until it
is safe to pass.

my opinion: 'Being on foot' is a basic right, anything else isn't.

That said, I also feel there is a hierarchy, with any human powered
transportation next in line to 'being-on-foot'.

Another pet peeve. It is NOT a pedestrian's responsibility to make sure
you see them. If you can't/didn't see them, it's your fault ! You
shouldn't be driving, riding, etc, or should be paying better attention!
That said, I have reflective gear and a blinky light when I am walking.
But I shouldn't have to!

John Schmidt

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Bill Holmes via OBRA
wrote:

> Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion man.
>
> > On Jan 4, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Brett via OBRA wrote:
> >
> > I pass more pedestrians than most people since my bike commute requires
> me to ride on multi-use trails for several miles and along road shoulders
> that people tend to walk on. I try to ride at reasonable speeds and give
> pedestrians plenty of room. Most people are awesome but once in a rare
> while you pass some #$@*! hole (cuss word removed for juniors that read
> this thread) that gives you an earful for riding a bike.
> >
> > Just recently I was riding on the shoulder (not sidewalk) of a fairly
> busy road that was easily wide enough for two people to pass. A woman was
> walking towards me centered in the shoulder so I couldn't pass on either
> side. She could see me coming for awhile and could have easily stepped to
> the side with out stopping and shared the shoulder. I couldn't go around
> her by going into the road because cars were coming from behind me that she
> could clearly see. I had to stop and wait for her to move so I didn't get
> run over. She then started ranting on how I was in her way and how I
> shouldn't be in the shoulder of the road. I am sure she would also complain
> if she was in a car and I was in the road blocking traffic. A heated
> exchange followed. I wish I had a better response at the time.
> >
> > What would you have done?
> > Normally in this situation you are riding away in the opposite direction
> and only have time for one comment. Does anyone have any good one liners?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Bill Holmes

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion man.

> On Jan 4, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Brett via OBRA wrote:
>
> I pass more pedestrians than most people since my bike commute requires me to ride on multi-use trails for several miles and along road shoulders that people tend to walk on. I try to ride at reasonable speeds and give pedestrians plenty of room. Most people are awesome but once in a rare while you pass some #$@*! hole (cuss word removed for juniors that read this thread) that gives you an earful for riding a bike.
>
> Just recently I was riding on the shoulder (not sidewalk) of a fairly busy road that was easily wide enough for two people to pass. A woman was walking towards me centered in the shoulder so I couldn't pass on either side. She could see me coming for awhile and could have easily stepped to the side with out stopping and shared the shoulder. I couldn't go around her by going into the road because cars were coming from behind me that she could clearly see. I had to stop and wait for her to move so I didn't get run over. She then started ranting on how I was in her way and how I shouldn't be in the shoulder of the road. I am sure she would also complain if she was in a car and I was in the road blocking traffic. A heated exchange followed. I wish I had a better response at the time.
>
> What would you have done?
> Normally in this situation you are riding away in the opposite direction and only have time for one comment. Does anyone have any good one liners?
>
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Dolan Halbrook

I have been known to be less than calm in those situations (I once saw a
jogger on the Hawthorne bridge take a swing at a cyclist, nearly sending
her in the car lane), but I'm always impressed by a riding buddy who just
gives a friendly wave. It generally seems to have the desired effect of
making the unruly pedestrian or driver question their action. However, as
they say, haters gonna hate.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 1:35 PM Brett via OBRA wrote:

> I pass more pedestrians than most people since my bike commute requires me
> to ride on multi-use trails for several miles and along road shoulders that
> people tend to walk on. I try to ride at reasonable speeds and give
> pedestrians plenty of room. Most people are awesome but once in a rare
> while you pass some #$@*! hole (cuss word removed for juniors that read
> this thread) that gives you an earful for riding a bike.
>
> Just recently I was riding on the shoulder (not sidewalk) of a fairly busy
> road that was easily wide enough for two people to pass. A woman was
> walking towards me centered in the shoulder so I couldn't pass on either
> side. She could see me coming for awhile and could have easily stepped to
> the side with out stopping and shared the shoulder. I couldn't go around
> her by going into the road because cars were coming from behind me that she
> could clearly see. I had to stop and wait for her to move so I didn't get
> run over. She then started ranting on how I was in her way and how I
> shouldn't be in the shoulder of the road. I am sure she would also complain
> if she was in a car and I was in the road blocking traffic. A heated
> exchange followed. I wish I had a better response at the time.
>
> What would you have done?
> Normally in this situation you are riding away in the opposite direction
> and only have time for one comment. Does anyone have any good one liners?
>
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Brett

I pass more pedestrians than most people since my bike commute requires me to ride on multi-use trails for several miles and along road shoulders that people tend to walk on. I try to ride at reasonable speeds and give pedestrians plenty of room. Most people are awesome but once in a rare while you pass some #$@*! hole (cuss word removed for juniors that read this thread) that gives you an earful for riding a bike.

Just recently I was riding on the shoulder (not sidewalk) of a fairly busy road that was easily wide enough for two people to pass. A woman was walking towards me centered in the shoulder so I couldn't pass on either side. She could see me coming for awhile and could have easily stepped to the side with out stopping and shared the shoulder. I couldn't go around her by going into the road because cars were coming from behind me that she could clearly see. I had to stop and wait for her to move so I didn't get run over. She then started ranting on how I was in her way and how I shouldn't be in the shoulder of the road. I am sure she would also complain if she was in a car and I was in the road blocking traffic. A heated exchange followed. I wish I had a better response at the time.

What would you have done?
Normally in this situation you are riding away in the opposite direction and only have time for one comment. Does anyone have any good one liners?