Nita Galambos
In my mind there are bike lane markings, too, because it sure feels like a
bike lane for the entire length of Marine Drive, but Google street view
confirms that, at least as of June of last year, there do not appear to be
bicycle markings on the shoulder in areas where there is a path. Unless the
markings are very new, I think they actually are missing from areas with a
path (e.g. between 33rd and I-205 and for most of the area between I-205
and Blue Lake Park).
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Robert wrote:
> Except that section has "bike lane" markings on the pavement also..
>
>
> On March 21, 2016 11:22:44 AM PDT, Nita Galambos via OBRA <
> obra@list.obra.org> wrote:
>>
>> The officer contended that the shoulder in the area with a separate path
>> is an emergency lane as opposed to a bike lane. With reference to Joe's
>> comment...I've never heard of a speed limit on multi-use paths, but the
>> times I personally choose to use the road over the path on Marine Drive are
>> times when I know my speed of travel is not going to be compatible with
>> sharing space with pedestrians. Based on the full text of ORS 814.420 (
>> http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/814.420) I think if a cyclist were cited
>> for using the road here, he/she *might* be able to successfully fight
>> the citation, but it would be nice to know if anyone has needed to and, if
>> so, how it went. I'm especially curious about the "suitable for safe
>> bicycle use at reasonable rates of speed" clause in subsection (2), but
>> also wonder if any of the exceptions under subsection (3) could be
>> successfully argued. An even bigger concern for me is whether the cyclist
>> would be found to be partially at fault if hit by a motorist in this area.
>>
>> -Nita
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 9:39 AM, stevea.long via OBRA > > wrote:
>>
>>> There is a designated bike lane for all of Marine dr from I5 to
>>> Troutdale. I can't imagine it's illegal to use that even where there is a
>>> separate bike/pedestrian path as in the area between I205 & just west of
>>> Saltys
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: via OBRA
>>> Date:03/21/2016 8:32 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: Thom Batty
>>> Cc: obra
>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] rolling coal incident
>>>
>>> Ray Thomas would kow best, but I *think* there is a speed limit on
>>> bike paths of 15 mph? Or so I have heard.
>>>
>>> -Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-03-20 15:54, Thom Batty via OBRA wrote:
>>> > Get a copy of Ray Thomas's Pedal Power: A Legal Guide for Oregon
>>> > Bicyclists. Best resource I have found for distillining Oregon law
>>> > down to an understandable format. I have a paper copy, I think it is
>>> > also available as a .pdf.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Eric Aldinger via OBRA
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Good to know the law. I wonder if there is a provision for riding
>>> >> out of the lane when it is not safe due to gravel or poor
>>> >> maintenance.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mar 20, 2016 1:34 PM, "Ken Luke via OBRA"
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> So it’s actually illegal to ride in the road there? If it’s
>>> >>> the section I’m thinking of, I always ride in the road because
>>> >>> the path is pretty bumpy due to the surface being buckled by roots
>>> >>> and it has a nice wide bike-lane looking shoulder (this is the
>>> >>> section between Blue Lake Park and the airport).
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 12:08, Nita Galambos via OBRA
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hello OBRA,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Yesterday Craig and I were riding east on Marine Drive near NE
>>> >>> 13th Avenue when a bright yellow diesel truck rolled up alongside
>>> >>> us, paced us for a few seconds, and then accelerated away,
>>> >>> belching a cloud of black smoke on us. As the truck drove away,
>>> >>> we saw that there was a phone number and a business name on the
>>> >>> back of the truck. When we arrived at the M. James Gleason
>>> >>> Memorial Boat Ramp, we saw the truck in question in the parking
>>> >>> lot parked in front of a trailer. The truck (a Ford F-350 with
>>> >>> Oregon license plate 114 ELB) and trailer belong to Wayne's Mobile
>>> >>> RV Repair (http://waynesmobilervrepair.webnode.com/) of Gresham,
>>> >>> and the driver was none other than owner Wayne Baldwin, who was at
>>> >>> the boat ramp doing a repair and had rolled coal on us on his way
>>> >>> back from making a part run. I'm curious if anyone else has had a
>>> >>> similar encounter with this very distinctive vehicle. When
>>> >>> interviewed by the police Mr. Baldwin claimed to have no knowledge
>>> >>> of his truck's "exhaust issue." I feel quite certain that his
>>> >>> ignorance was feigned.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> As a sidenote, the officer we spoke with was keenly interested
>>> >>> in whether we were in a designated bike lane or on the portion of
>>> >>> Marine Drive where a multi-use path is available. We were on the
>>> >>> portion of Marine Dr. with a designated bike lane, but the officer
>>> >>> made a point of educating us about ORS 814.420 - Failure to Use a
>>> >>> Bicycle Lane or Path. While I usually ride in the path where it's
>>> >>> available I sometimes do take the road; although I think I was
>>> >>> vaguely aware of this statute it had never occurred to me that a
>>> >>> person could be cited for riding the road in this area. I've never
>>> >>> heard of it actually happening, but thought it might be worth
>>> >>> noting that there is at least one officer patrolling this area who
>>> >>> does not look favorably upon cyclists riding the road rather than
>>> >>> the path.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for reading. Hoping this was an isolated incident, but I
>>> >>> strongly doubt it...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Nita
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