So where was this article again? Or more likely, which edtion was it in? I got today's big-O and it wasn't there.
FWIW, John --- Contact the Oregonian and tell them you'll do a fit for the subject in the article and have them record the subject's reaction to a correctly fitted bike. (Note that I'm assuming that the subject of the article would be able to tell the difference.)
John, I think the point of the article was the need for a good fit on your bike. Some general rules of thumb were given, but if anything, I think it will encourage more people to get properly fitted. Also, those rules of thumb, even if outdated, are still better than some of the positions I see for some new riders and even long-time recreational riders, so there is still some benefit to their being issued.
--
George Schreck
gschreckchat@comcast.net
(503) 502-0425
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From: johnfforbes@comcast.net
> Yeah, too bad the fit advice is so outmoded. That guy has so much pressure on
> his shoulders, arms and hands I feel pity. His saddle set back is way off so his
> back is curved far too much. I don't remember the last time I used knee over
> spindle, it means nothing.
> In other words the fit pictured is what a bike fitter sees when someone comes
> in the door asking for help.
>
>
> --
> John Forbes
> 3641 SW 52nd Place,
> Portland, OR 97221
> 503-422-1239
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: tackyglueit
> > check out the front page of the "how we live" section of the Oregonian
> > today.
> >
> > -TG
>
>
Ditto, BW.
It does seem the article is aimed at the new rider/commuter, and encouraging
to see the Oregonian providing this type of info.
-Dan Burton
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From: "B Witty"
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:36 AM
To: "'OBRA list list'"
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] oregonian
> This is an unfair potshot John, and you know that. You may know a lot
> more
> about bike fitting than the article outlines, but it certainly makes you
> sound boorish when you belittle the content.
>
> You have to know that it was written a different audience (newbies and
> commuters). Many competitive type cyclists already have this knowledge.
> It's good to introduce others to it even if on a very elemental level.
>
> Respectfully,
> A fat guy who is still comfortable on his bike
>
>
> PS- "that guy" (Chad) is one of our nations top 24hr solo MTB racers...so
> he
> ought to know something about being comfortable on a bike.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of johnfforbes@comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:16 AM
> To: tackyglueit; OBRA list list
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] oregonian
>
> Yeah, too bad the fit advice is so outmoded. That guy has so much pressure
> on his shoulders, arms and hands I feel pity. His saddle set back is way
> off
> so his back is curved far too much. I don't remember the last time I used
> knee over spindle, it means nothing.
> In other words the fit pictured is what a bike fitter sees when someone
> comes in the door asking for help.
>
>
> --
> John Forbes
> 3641 SW 52nd Place,
> Portland, OR 97221
> 503-422-1239
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: tackyglueit
>> check out the front page of the "how we live" section of the Oregonian
>> today.
>>
>> -TG
>
>
>
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I disagree, giving anyone unrealistic information isn't beneficial. While I am thankful for the exposure for our sport giving misguided information is a step in the wrong direction.
The idea is letting people realize their greatest potential, power and comfort. That's true if they are recreational, serious group riders or racers. The amount of difference between such fits is millimeters.
I would give a free fit to the rider in that article simply as a demonstration of the differences proper fit can make. If anyone knows who he is please let me know
--
John Forbes
3641 SW 52nd Place,
Portland, OR 97221
503-422-1239
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "B Witty"
> This is an unfair potshot John, and you know that. You may know a lot more
> about bike fitting than the article outlines, but it certainly makes you
> sound boorish when you belittle the content.
>
> You have to know that it was written a different audience (newbies and
> commuters). Many competitive type cyclists already have this knowledge.
> It's good to introduce others to it even if on a very elemental level.
>
> Respectfully,
> A fat guy who is still comfortable on his bike
>
>
> PS- "that guy" (Chad) is one of our nations top 24hr solo MTB racers...so he
> ought to know something about being comfortable on a bike.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of johnfforbes@comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:16 AM
> To: tackyglueit; OBRA list list
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] oregonian
>
> Yeah, too bad the fit advice is so outmoded. That guy has so much pressure
> on his shoulders, arms and hands I feel pity. His saddle set back is way off
> so his back is curved far too much. I don't remember the last time I used
> knee over spindle, it means nothing.
> In other words the fit pictured is what a bike fitter sees when someone
> comes in the door asking for help.
>
>
> --
> John Forbes
> 3641 SW 52nd Place,
> Portland, OR 97221
> 503-422-1239
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: tackyglueit
> > check out the front page of the "how we live" section of the Oregonian
> > today.
> >
> > -TG
>
>
>
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This is an unfair potshot John, and you know that. You may know a lot more
about bike fitting than the article outlines, but it certainly makes you
sound boorish when you belittle the content.
You have to know that it was written a different audience (newbies and
commuters). Many competitive type cyclists already have this knowledge.
It's good to introduce others to it even if on a very elemental level.
Respectfully,
A fat guy who is still comfortable on his bike
PS- "that guy" (Chad) is one of our nations top 24hr solo MTB racers...so he
ought to know something about being comfortable on a bike.
-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of johnfforbes@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:16 AM
To: tackyglueit; OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] oregonian
Yeah, too bad the fit advice is so outmoded. That guy has so much pressure
on his shoulders, arms and hands I feel pity. His saddle set back is way off
so his back is curved far too much. I don't remember the last time I used
knee over spindle, it means nothing.
In other words the fit pictured is what a bike fitter sees when someone
comes in the door asking for help.
--
John Forbes
3641 SW 52nd Place,
Portland, OR 97221
503-422-1239
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: tackyglueit
> check out the front page of the "how we live" section of the Oregonian
> today.
>
> -TG
Yeah, too bad the fit advice is so outmoded. That guy has so much pressure on his shoulders, arms and hands I feel pity. His saddle set back is way off so his back is curved far too much. I don't remember the last time I used knee over spindle, it means nothing.
In other words the fit pictured is what a bike fitter sees when someone comes in the door asking for help.
--
John Forbes
3641 SW 52nd Place,
Portland, OR 97221
503-422-1239
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: tackyglueit
> check out the front page of the "how we live" section of the Oregonian
> today.
>
> -TG
There is also a rather cool editorial in the paper also.
Candi
_____
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of tackyglueit
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:35 AM
To: OBRA list list
Subject: [OBRA Chat] oregonian
check out the front page of the "how we live" section of the Oregonian
today.
-TG
check out the front page of the "how we live" section of the Oregonian
today.
-TG
Additionally, the Tribune is suppose to be doing some coverage on Natz and
the Willamette Week gives the Cross Crusade a mention now and again. Could
the coverage be better? You bet. Could I do more to increase our exposure?
You bet. I'd invite anyone with ideas on this to contact me (After Natz
please) so that a method/plan of attack could be put together on this. It
is in the interest of everyone involved with OBRA.
Cheers,
Brian Witty
Cyclo-Cross Crusade Series
-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl J. Willson [mailto:cjwil-@mindspring.com]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:55 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: [OBRA Chat] oregonian
Hi all,
The Oregonian plans to run a feature before the event and another story
about the races after the event. Let's stop emailing them for this week
at least. Dennis Peck is always professional to me (and- it seems- to
other people that have emailed him) and I'd hate to torture him with
piles of email about an event he plans to cover.
I'd be happy to send Dennis Peck the 2004 schedule early next year with
important events highlighted.
Cheryl
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Thanks Cheryl, Thanks Candi and everyone that e-mailed the Oregonian.
If you are contacting your local papers, a spin that may work with them is a "local interest" piece. I.E. In Corvallis there is the GT. Barry Wicks is from Corvallis, so the paper could do a story about Nationals and focused around Barry. That is if he didn't mind. :) Bend, Eugene, Salem, and Southern Oregon have their own papers that may be more willing to do a story if there is a "home town hero".
Good job guys.
Shane
Hi all,
The Oregonian plans to run a feature before the event and another story
about the races after the event. Let's stop emailing them for this week
at least. Dennis Peck is always professional to me (and- it seems- to
other people that have emailed him) and I'd hate to torture him with
piles of email about an event he plans to cover.
I'd be happy to send Dennis Peck the 2004 schedule early next year with
important events highlighted.
Cheryl
To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.
To respond to the list manager send to ob-@teleport.com
To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com
Hi all,
The Oregonian plans to run a feature before the event and another story
about the races after the event. Let's stop emailing them for this week
at least. Dennis Peck is always professional to me (and- it seems- to
other people that have emailed him) and I'd hate to torture him with
piles of email about an event he plans to cover.
I'd be happy to send Dennis Peck the 2004 schedule early next year with
important events highlighted.
Cheryl
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