bathroom break

mike.m-@obra.org

2003-12-11



Since there is usually only one line for the Portapottys and since a

"pee only" line would do nothing to decrease total time in the

Portapotty, I don't think this solution would really help much to make

the facilities more available. In addition, I am sure that some people

who might be bothered with having to declare their #1 or #2 intentions.

And who would police this anyhow?



Maybe the better idea would be to ask for a little consideration and

allow people whose race is about to start to move to the head of the

line, regardless of the type of bathroom activity expected. It has been

my experience that people usually will do that already, no problem.



There really is no excuse for not using the facilities at the

registration/start area despite several people trying to come up with

some.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: Eric.K-@kingrs.com [mailto:Eric.K-@kingrs.com]

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:33 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break



i think a "pee only" line at the races would be very helpful. a

dedicated

portapotty, kind of like the 10 items or less line at the grocery store.

i

can make the signs.



mike.m-@obra.org

2003-12-11



MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1) [mailto:matt_m-@hp.com] wrote WRT

renting more portable toilets:



"Maybe you could increase the race fee slightly to offset the cost."



This solution could be proposed to solve just about any problem at bike

races. The problem is that the current fees are already set to try to

balance the issues of costs, participation, market value, etc. When

this balance is shifted then there are downstream effects. If organizer

costs go up they need to cover those costs from somewhere. Since

sponsorship and profit are already pretty much minimal in most cases the

only place to look is from entry fees. When entry fees go up

participation goes down. When participation goes down then revenue from

entry fees goes down further. One of the reasons why bike racing is so

popular in Oregon is because the system has been structured to keep all

the fees as low as possible.



My suspicion is that the vast majority of public urination is actually

discretionary rather than emergent and that even if there were an excess

of facilities it would still occur. This is really a simple problem.

Just do like your parents used to say and "go before you go".



Mike Murray



Ron Frerichs

2003-12-11



I'm curious...is there an international symbol for that sign?





From: Eric.K-@kingrs.com

Reply-To: Eric.K-@kingrs.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:32:44 -0800



i think a "pee only" line at the races would be very helpful. a dedicated

portapotty, kind of like the 10 items or less line at the grocery store. i

can make the signs.



-----Original Message-----

From: MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1) [mailto:matt_m-@hp.com]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM

To: 'mike.m-@obra.org'; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





Kevin, Mike,



Thanks for the reminder! I know I have been guilty of this. I try to be

discreet. Often the time I want to go (which is usually minutes before the

race begins) the portopotties are full! I have rented these before for

events so I know the cost is prohibitive to have more available so I won't

ask.



Races that have a lot of forest nearby are perfect. I can ditch my bike and

clamber through the trees for a ways. However there are a few races, like

Cherry Pie and Piece of Cake, that are wide open for miles and there is no

place to hide! For those races it would be nice to have more portopotties.

(I just said I would not ask and there I go!) It would keep us out of

trouble. Maybe you could increase the race fee slightly to offset the cost.



I get the feeling this is a grey area, so please correct me if I am saying

anything that would not be cool. I understand why public urination is "the

most common reason for loss of race venues". Americans are not very tolerant

of this.



Matt Martel





-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:07 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





As I have pointed out before, the most common reason for loss of race venues

is public urination. If you see someone peeing in public at a bike race you

should point out to them that this is not cool. Officials that see this

should penalize the rider. To me, personally, peeing in public is not that

big a deal. Unfortunately, many people in the public don't agree with this.

We need to pay attention to this because race venues are not easy to get.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: kevin thompson [mailto:thom-@loswego.k12.or.us]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break



I just wanted to say thank you to the selfish person who relieved

themselves by the gradeschool this weekend at the Vinter Cross race.

That person has made the negotations to have the race next year an

uphill battle.



When you have to go, it might not seem like a big deal, but promoters

spend money on portapotties for a reason.



Kevin Thompson

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2003-12-11



Here's a novel idea...Plan ahead.



Children are told to pee before getting in a car for a

long trip and (usually) manage to hold things

together.



Seriously, these are B.S. excuses.



Someone pee'd on the side of an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.



People call in FAVORS to secure these venues...Then

they are embarassed by the actions of racers who have

trivial excuses.



There were porta-potties AND the Junior High School

was open and had a bathroom as well.



You wouldn't walk over and piss on the side of your

neighbor's house so don't piss in other public places.



Harumph!

Puskas



--- Shane Young <shane.-@comcast.net> wrote:

 Or something like this:

http://www.honeybucket.com/images/HBProductsImages/4MenOnly/standing%20room%20only.pdf

 It is a Men's (6 person) portapotty.   

 i think a "pee only" line at the races would be

very helpful. a dedicated

 portapotty, kind of like the 10 items or less line

at the grocery store. i

 can make the signs.



-----Original Message-----

From: MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1)

[mailto:matt_m-@hp.com]

 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM

To: 'mike.m-@obra.org'; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





Kevin, Mike,



Thanks for the reminder! I know I have been guilty

of this. I try to be

 discreet. Often the time I want to go (which is

usually minutes before the

 race begins) the portopotties are full! I have

rented these before for

 events so I know the cost is prohibitive to have

more available so I won't

 ask.



Races that have a lot of forest nearby are

perfect. I can ditch my bike and

 clamber through the trees for a ways. However

there are a few races, like

 Cherry Pie and Piece of Cake, that are wide open

for miles and there is no

 place to hide! For those races it would be nice to

have more portopotties.

 (I just said I would not ask and there I go!) It

would keep us out of

 trouble. Maybe you could increase the race fee

slightly to offset the cost.

 

I get the feeling this is a grey area, so please

correct me if I am saying

 anything that would not be cool. I understand why

public urination is "the

 most common reason for loss of race venues".

Americans are not very tolerant

 of this.



Matt Martel





-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org

[mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:07 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





As I have pointed out before, the most common

reason for loss of race venues

 is public urination. If you see someone peeing in

public at a bike race you

 should point out to them that this is not cool.

Officials that see this

 should penalize the rider. To me, personally,

peeing in public is not that

 big a deal. Unfortunately, many people in the

public don't agree with this.

 We need to pay attention to this because race

venues are not easy to get.

 

Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: kevin thompson

[mailto:thom-@loswego.k12.or.us]

 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break



I just wanted to say thank you to the selfish

person who relieved

 themselves by the gradeschool this weekend at the

Vinter Cross race.

 That person has made the negotations to have the

race next year an

 uphill battle.



When you have to go, it might not seem like a big

deal, but promoters

 spend money on portapotties for a reason.



Kevin Thompson

HFV



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Or something like this:

http://www.honeybucket.com/images/HBProductsImages/4MenOnly/standing%20room%20only.pdf

It is a Men's (6 person) portapotty.   

 i think a "pee only" line at the races would be very helpful. a dedicated

portapotty, kind of like the 10 items or less line at the grocery store. i

can make the signs.



-----Original Message-----

From: MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1) [mailto:matt_m-@hp.com]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM

To: 'mike.m-@obra.org'; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





Kevin, Mike,



Thanks for the reminder! I know I have been guilty of this. I try to be

discreet. Often the time I want to go (which is usually minutes before the

race begins) the portopotties are full! I have rented these before for

events so I know the cost is prohibitive to have more available so I won't

ask.



Races that have a lot of forest nearby are perfect. I can ditch my bike and

clamber through the trees for a ways. However there are a few races, like

Cherry Pie and Piece of Cake, that are wide open for miles and there is no

place to hide! For those races it would be nice to have more portopotties.

(I just said I would not ask and there I go!) It would keep us out of

trouble. Maybe you could increase the race fee slightly to offset the cost.



I get the feeling this is a grey area, so please correct me if I am saying

anything that would not be cool. I understand why public urination is "the

most common reason for loss of race venues". Americans are not very tolerant

of this.



Matt Martel





-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:07 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





As I have pointed out before, the most common reason for loss of race venues

is public urination. If you see someone peeing in public at a bike race you

should point out to them that this is not cool. Officials that see this

should penalize the rider. To me, personally, peeing in public is not that

big a deal. Unfortunately, many people in the public don't agree with this.

We need to pay attention to this because race venues are not easy to get.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: kevin thompson [mailto:thom-@loswego.k12.or.us]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break



I just wanted to say thank you to the selfish person who relieved

themselves by the gradeschool this weekend at the Vinter Cross race.

That person has made the negotations to have the race next year an

uphill battle.



When you have to go, it might not seem like a big deal, but promoters

spend money on portapotties for a reason.



Kevin Thompson

HFV



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Eric.K-@kingrs.com

2003-12-11



i think a "pee only" line at the races would be very helpful. a dedicated

portapotty, kind of like the 10 items or less line at the grocery store. i

can make the signs.



-----Original Message-----

From: MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1) [mailto:matt_m-@hp.com]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:19 PM

To: 'mike.m-@obra.org'; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





Kevin, Mike,



Thanks for the reminder! I know I have been guilty of this. I try to be

discreet. Often the time I want to go (which is usually minutes before the

race begins) the portopotties are full! I have rented these before for

events so I know the cost is prohibitive to have more available so I won't

ask.



Races that have a lot of forest nearby are perfect. I can ditch my bike and

clamber through the trees for a ways. However there are a few races, like

Cherry Pie and Piece of Cake, that are wide open for miles and there is no

place to hide! For those races it would be nice to have more portopotties.

(I just said I would not ask and there I go!) It would keep us out of

trouble. Maybe you could increase the race fee slightly to offset the cost.



I get the feeling this is a grey area, so please correct me if I am saying

anything that would not be cool. I understand why public urination is "the

most common reason for loss of race venues". Americans are not very tolerant

of this.



Matt Martel





-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:07 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





As I have pointed out before, the most common reason for loss of race venues

is public urination. If you see someone peeing in public at a bike race you

should point out to them that this is not cool. Officials that see this

should penalize the rider. To me, personally, peeing in public is not that

big a deal. Unfortunately, many people in the public don't agree with this.

We need to pay attention to this because race venues are not easy to get.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: kevin thompson [mailto:thom-@loswego.k12.or.us]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break



I just wanted to say thank you to the selfish person who relieved

themselves by the gradeschool this weekend at the Vinter Cross race.

That person has made the negotations to have the race next year an

uphill battle.



When you have to go, it might not seem like a big deal, but promoters

spend money on portapotties for a reason.



Kevin Thompson

HFV



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Michael O'Hair

2003-12-10





This topic has come around many times, so I'll add my two cents. Taking a

leak in public can get you a lot worse than a reprimand from the race

organizer. Twenty-five years ago, I watched a kid who had been busted for

pissing in the parking lot of a tavern get handed a sex offender label. The

cop wrote him up for public urination and indecent exposure. So think about

it when you "just gotta go."









----- Original Message -----

From: "Steven B" <steve-@yahoo.com>





 In this particular incident, the person relieved

themself in the corner of the Elementary School near

the windows, not knowing he was in full view of a

teachers meeting who got a show. There's no excuse for

that.



Steven B

2003-12-10



In this particular incident, the person relieved

themself in the corner of the Elementary School near

the windows, not knowing he was in full view of a

teachers meeting who got a show. There's no excuse for

that.



steve b

hfv



--- "MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1)"

<matt_m-@hp.com> wrote:

 Kevin, Mike,



Thanks for the reminder! I know I have been guilty

of this. I try to be

discreet. Often the time I want to go (which is

usually minutes before the

race begins) the portopotties are full! I have

rented these before for

events so I know the cost is prohibitive to have

more available so I won't

ask.



Races that have a lot of forest nearby are perfect.

I can ditch my bike and

clamber through the trees for a ways. However there

are a few races, like

Cherry Pie and Piece of Cake, that are wide open for

miles and there is no

place to hide! For those races it would be nice to

have more portopotties.

(I just said I would not ask and there I go!) It

would keep us out of

trouble. Maybe you could increase the race fee

slightly to offset the cost.



I get the feeling this is a grey area, so please

correct me if I am saying

anything that would not be cool. I understand why

public urination is "the

most common reason for loss of race venues".

Americans are not very tolerant

of this.



Matt Martel





-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org

[mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:07 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





As I have pointed out before, the most common reason

for loss of race venues

is public urination. If you see someone peeing in

public at a bike race you

should point out to them that this is not cool.

Officials that see this

should penalize the rider. To me, personally,

peeing in public is not that

big a deal. Unfortunately, many people in the

public don't agree with this.

We need to pay attention to this because race venues

are not easy to get.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: kevin thompson

[mailto:thom-@loswego.k12.or.us]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break



I just wanted to say thank you to the selfish person

who relieved

themselves by the gradeschool this weekend at the

Vinter Cross race.

That person has made the negotations to have the

race next year an

uphill battle.



When you have to go, it might not seem like a big

deal, but promoters

spend money on portapotties for a reason.



Kevin Thompson

HFV



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2003-12-10



Kevin, Mike,



Thanks for the reminder! I know I have been guilty of this. I try to be

discreet. Often the time I want to go (which is usually minutes before the

race begins) the portopotties are full! I have rented these before for

events so I know the cost is prohibitive to have more available so I won't

ask.



Races that have a lot of forest nearby are perfect. I can ditch my bike and

clamber through the trees for a ways. However there are a few races, like

Cherry Pie and Piece of Cake, that are wide open for miles and there is no

place to hide! For those races it would be nice to have more portopotties.

(I just said I would not ask and there I go!) It would keep us out of

trouble. Maybe you could increase the race fee slightly to offset the cost.



I get the feeling this is a grey area, so please correct me if I am saying

anything that would not be cool. I understand why public urination is "the

most common reason for loss of race venues". Americans are not very tolerant

of this.



Matt Martel





-----Original Message-----

From: mike.m-@obra.org [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:07 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break





As I have pointed out before, the most common reason for loss of race venues

is public urination. If you see someone peeing in public at a bike race you

should point out to them that this is not cool. Officials that see this

should penalize the rider. To me, personally, peeing in public is not that

big a deal. Unfortunately, many people in the public don't agree with this.

We need to pay attention to this because race venues are not easy to get.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: kevin thompson [mailto:thom-@loswego.k12.or.us]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break



I just wanted to say thank you to the selfish person who relieved

themselves by the gradeschool this weekend at the Vinter Cross race.

That person has made the negotations to have the race next year an

uphill battle.



When you have to go, it might not seem like a big deal, but promoters

spend money on portapotties for a reason.



Kevin Thompson

HFV



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mike.m-@obra.org

2003-12-10



As I have pointed out before, the most common reason for loss of race

venues is public urination. If you see someone peeing in public at a

bike race you should point out to them that this is not cool. Officials

that see this should penalize the rider. To me, personally, peeing in

public is not that big a deal. Unfortunately, many people in the public

don't agree with this. We need to pay attention to this because race

venues are not easy to get.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: kevin thompson [mailto:thom-@loswego.k12.or.us]

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:37 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] bathroom break



I just wanted to say thank you to the selfish person who relieved

themselves by the gradeschool this weekend at the Vinter Cross race.

That person has made the negotations to have the race next year an

uphill battle.



When you have to go, it might not seem like a big deal, but promoters

spend money on portapotties for a reason.



Kevin Thompson

HFV



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kevin thompson

2003-12-10



I just wanted to say thank you to the selfish person who relieved

themselves by the gradeschool this weekend at the Vinter Cross race.

That person has made the negotations to have the race next year an

uphill battle.



When you have to go, it might not seem like a big deal, but promoters

spend money on portapotties for a reason.



Kevin Thompson

HFV