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david baker

2004-03-03



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just to let you all know i did a little calling to the landfill and water treatment facility here in bend. the landfill has a household hazardous material drop-off on june 19th (maybe other areas have that too). and the water treatment facility thought their plant could handle the water with the degreaser-oil mixture just fine.

it is nice to hear some of your environmentally sensitive remarks

thanx

david

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And do not forget that if in landfill, the grease etc that Joe expressed concern about are still there.



Personally I reuse my same rags, clean them and use them, etc. I use citrus degreaser to clean them b/c the grease will be there on new or cleaned rags, but the making of the new rags, whether cotton or paper is an added environmental cost. Reusing keeps those fish safer that new every time.



Mark Ginsberg



Don Person <do-@themudzone.com> wrote:

    At least the wash water goes through sewer treatment. The

    greasy/dirty rags in the landfill get no treatment. Also the Costco

    rags are not 100% cotton and will not completely decompose. Think of

    all of the chemicals (and field runoff) that were used to grow and

    process the cotton, too.



    Reduce, reuse, recycle.



    >Joe & Siggi Gierga" wrote:

    >Yeah,

    >I guess it is a choice one has to make. Cotten deteriorates relative quickly

    >when compressed. Washing all the chemicals down the drain has a far greater

    >effect on our enviroment and...my fish, Joe



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>just to let you all know i did a little calling to

the landfill and water treatment facility here in bend. the landfill has a

household hazardous material drop-off on june 19th (maybe other areas

have that too). and the water treatment facility thought their plant could

handle the water with the degreaser-oil mixture just fine.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>it is nice to hear some of your environmentally

sensitive remarks</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanx</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>david</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV>And do not forget that if in landfill, the grease etc that Joe expressed

concern about are still there.</DIV>

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<DIV>Personally I reuse my same rags, clean them and use them, etc. I use

citrus degreaser to clean them b/c the grease will be there on new or cleaned

rags, but the making of the new rags, whether cotton or paper is an added

environmental cost. Reusing keeps those fish safer that new every time.</DIV>

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<DIV>Mark Ginsberg<BR><BR><B><I>Don Person <do-@themudzone.com></I></B>

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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">At

    least the wash water goes through sewer treatment. The <BR>greasy/dirty rags

    in the landfill get no treatment. Also the Costco <BR>rags are not 100%

    cotton and will not completely decompose. Think of <BR>all of the chemicals

    (and field runoff) that were used to grow and <BR>process the cotton,

    too.<BR><BR>Reduce, reuse, recycle.<BR><BR>>Joe & Siggi Gierga"

    <SIG-@OREGONCOAST.COM>wrote:<BR>>Yeah,<BR>>I guess it is a choice one

    has to make. Cotten deteriorates relative quickly<BR>>when compressed.

    Washing all the chemicals down the drain has a far greater<BR>>effect on

    our enviroment and...my fish, Joe<BR><BR>-- <BR>Don Person, Graphic

    Designer<BR>The Mud Zone<BR>Veneta, Oregon USA<BR>541.935.4996 /

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And do not forget that if in landfill, the grease etc that Joe expressed concern about are still there.



Personally I reuse my same rags, clean them and use them, etc. I use citrus degreaser to clean them b/c the grease will be there on new or cleaned rags, but the making of the new rags, whether cotton or paper is an added environmental cost. Reusing keeps those fish safer that new every time.



Mark Ginsberg



Don Person <do-@themudzone.com> wrote:

At least the wash water goes through sewer treatment. The

greasy/dirty rags in the landfill get no treatment. Also the Costco

rags are not 100% cotton and will not completely decompose. Think of

all of the chemicals (and field runoff) that were used to grow and

process the cotton, too.



Reduce, reuse, recycle.



 Joe & Siggi Gierga" wrote:

Yeah,

I guess it is a choice one has to make. Cotten deteriorates relative quickly

when compressed. Washing all the chemicals down the drain has a far greater

effect on our enviroment and...my fish, Joe



--

Don Person, Graphic Designer

The Mud Zone

Veneta, Oregon USA

541.935.4996 / 541.517.1442

do-@themudzone.com



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<DIV>And do not forget that if in landfill, the grease etc that Joe expressed concern about are still there.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Personally I reuse my same rags, clean them and use them, etc. I use citrus degreaser to clean them b/c the grease will be there on new or cleaned rags, but the making of the new rags, whether cotton or paper is an added environmental cost. Reusing keeps those fish safer that new every time.</DIV>

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<DIV>Mark Ginsberg<BR><BR><B><I>Don Person <do-@themudzone.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">At least the wash water goes through sewer treatment. The <BR>greasy/dirty rags in the landfill get no treatment. Also the Costco <BR>rags are not 100% cotton and will not completely decompose. Think of <BR>all of the chemicals (and field runoff) that were used to grow and <BR>process the cotton, too.<BR><BR>Reduce, reuse, recycle.<BR><BR>>Joe & Siggi Gierga" <SIG-@OREGONCOAST.COM>wrote:<BR>>Yeah,<BR>>I guess it is a choice one has to make. Cotten deteriorates relative quickly<BR>>when compressed. Washing all the chemicals down the drain has a far greater<BR>>effect on our enviroment and...my fish, Joe<BR><BR>-- <BR>Don Person, Graphic Designer<BR>The Mud Zone<BR>Veneta, Oregon USA<BR>541.935.4996 / 541.517.1442<BR>do-@themudzone.com<BR><BR>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.<BR>To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org<BR>To

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shane.-@comcast.net

2004-03-03



I believe that in many areas in Oregon there is are local services offered to the bike shops that wash the rags for them. I.E. Cleaners drop off clean rags and pick up dirty ones... Maybe bike shops can offer this service to their customers. For a fee a customer can drop off X amount of rags and pick up X more.

Just an idea.

 At least the wash water goes through sewer treatment. The

greasy/dirty rags in the landfill get no treatment. Also the Costco

rags are not 100% cotton and will not completely decompose. Think of

all of the chemicals (and field runoff) that were used to grow and

process the cotton, too.



Reduce, reuse, recycle.



 Joe & Siggi Gierga" <sig-@oregoncoast.com> wrote:

Yeah,

I guess it is a choice one has to make. Cotten deteriorates relative quickly

when compressed. Washing all the chemicals down the drain has a far greater

effect on our enviroment and...my fish, Joe



--

Don Person, Graphic Designer

The Mud Zone

Veneta, Oregon USA

541.935.4996 / 541.517.1442

do-@themudzone.com



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Don Person

2004-03-03



At least the wash water goes through sewer treatment. The

greasy/dirty rags in the landfill get no treatment. Also the Costco

rags are not 100% cotton and will not completely decompose. Think of

all of the chemicals (and field runoff) that were used to grow and

process the cotton, too.



Reduce, reuse, recycle.



 Joe & Siggi Gierga" <sig-@oregoncoast.com> wrote:

Yeah,

I guess it is a choice one has to make. Cotten deteriorates relative quickly

when compressed. Washing all the chemicals down the drain has a far greater

effect on our enviroment and...my fish, Joe



--

Don Person, Graphic Designer

The Mud Zone

Veneta, Oregon USA

541.935.4996 / 541.517.1442

do-@themudzone.com



Don Person

2004-03-02



Or wash those same rags and not fill up the landfills. Reuse is good.



 "Joe & Siggi Gierga" <sig-@oregoncoast.com> wrote:

Get a bag of 50 from Costco for ten bucks and pitch the dirty ones... Joe



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The Mud Zone

Veneta, Oregon USA

do-@themudzone.com



Don Person

2004-03-02



Wash 'em! If they are greasy, start by soaking them in a bucket of

warm water with Simple Green or a citrus cleaner. Rinse a couple of

times and then run them through the washing machine, also with Simple

Green. I usually run an empty wash cycle afterwards to clean the

washer.



hello

any advice on how to clean or what to do with dirty rags or towells

from bike cleaning.

thanks

david





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david baker

2004-03-02



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