John Wilger
Are you absolutely sure that first word was "thank"? ;->
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> At very muddy races we have frequently run riders into a chute after the
> finish, hosed them off and then collected numbers so we could narrow down
> who was there and then order them by the FinishLynx image. I am always
> amazed that about half the riders will say "thank you" after you spray them
> with cold water from a portable power washer.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 11:17, Eric Aldinger wrote:
>
> Hose riders off before they cross the line each lap. Problem solved.
>
> On Oct 23, 2017 3:30 PM, "Michael via OBRA" wrote:
>
> Thanks Ron, I agree 100%!!
>
> My friends and I race Short Track and CX for fun, fitness and because we
> love riding bikes in the dirt! Sorry roadies....I don’t like staring at
> asphalt for hours. Anyway we pay our license fees, entry fees and race as
> hard as we can. I don’t see myself continuing to race for long if I start
> getting kicked off the course just because I get lapped by some hot shot
> roadie who trains 3 hours a day. I have a life and am not interested in
> spending all my free time “training”. My 2 cents.
>
> Peace,
> Michael Ybaben
>
>
>
> *From:* Ron Strasser via OBRA
> *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 10:51 AM
> *To:* Mike Murray ; John Wilger
> ; OBRA remailer
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Heron Lakes results
>
> Mike makes an important point about what OBRA does. We foster riders that
> want to be elite level, but we also want to maintain an environment that
> welcomes all who want to race. The higher the cost to race (more
> sophisticated equipment etc.) and the more elitist our community is toward
> outsiders (cutting lapped riders is a good example / other limits on
> participation), the weaker the sport will become. Numbers of racers and
> races will decrease. Even though I have been cut a lap many times in a
> cross race, had my forward progress impeded by slower riders, not been
> happy with certain aspects of a course or what the heck else might make me
> cranky.....overall OBRA is doing the right thing for the sport. We have
> great officials who do amazing jobs of keeping the races a level playing
> field for all racers. Racers who go out and get themselves in trouble on
> the course and try to blame officials are usually looking at life from a
> very self-centered perspective. Not always of course. Stuff can happen on
> / with the courses and between racers, but OBRA operates to provide a fair
> race environment for all racers. I can get pretty self-centered, but do
> try to break out and provide super encouragement to newer and lower cat.
> riders as well as the people in my own race. I mean get real....if someone
> in your race is riding stronger than you....do you feel glad for that human
> being or want him / her to crash, have a mechanical or? Life is too short
> to live in this negative space. Put your numbers on how the officials want
> them and race. If all you find in the race scene is one more thing to
> whine about.........maybe you are in the wrong sport....or not a in a good
> space.
> ron
>
> *From:* Mike Murray via OBRA
> *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 10:02 AM
> *To:* John Wilger ; OBRA remailer
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Heron Lakes results
>
>
> Mostly way more resources for reading numbers; more officials, more
> cameras, etc. There is also the issue of eliminating the lapped riders
> which makes judging much easier. If all you have to identify is the leader
> coming towards you and then count everyone behind them to figure out places
> life is much easier. Having to count riders that are lap(s) down but mixed
> in with the riders on even laps is far more difficult. Goes against the
> participatory aspect that we try to foster with OBRA though.
>
>
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
>
> *From:* John Wilger [mailto:john@johnwilger.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 08:42
> *To:* Mike Murray; OBRA remailer
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Heron Lakes results
>
>
>
> What are they doing differently to make things work in the races where the
> shoulder numbers are in the front? (Not trying to be critical of our
> amazing OBRA officials and set up at all; I just don’t know much about it
> and am curious.)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:23 AM Mike Murray via OBRA
> wrote:
>
> We definitely are asking riders to put shoulder numbers on but they need to
> be on the back of the shoulder where they can be seen by the camera which
> is
> mounted up on a ladder to the riders left. We started using these after
> noting that even at the muddiest races the left shoulder blade area is
> generally clean. Shoulder numbers placed on the front of the shoulder, a la
> UCI method, are not seen by the camera at all and can only be seen when
> looking at the rider coming towards you which makes seeing the larger and
> more visible flank number difficult. Numbers placed on the side of the
> shoulder curve around that shoulder so that not all 3 digits are seen by
> the
> camera. If you go to the Fun at the Finish Facebook page there are lots of
> examples of the FinishLynx picture that we are looking at with both
> excellent and poor number placement.
>
> Mike Murray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OBRA [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of David via OBRA
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 20:16
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Heron Lakes results
>
> Is there a reason you don’t ask riders to put their shoulder numbers on
> their...shoulders?! I would think that would solve the hair and sitting-up
> issues.
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