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Did I ever tell you about the time I caught flak from several directions for wearing a jersey with "EAT ME" emblazoned on it in reflective prismatic letters? It seemed some folks did not appreciate the "Animal House" reference and thought it was offensive. It did keep me safe while riding at night though.
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From: John Schader
To: oregon-@cs.com
Cc: ob-@topica.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] ettiquette?
Sounds like a silly discussion to me. (But here I am being silly with the rest of you. This is probably email #51 on this topic - sorry.) I'm sure the spirit of the rule is to make it clear that it is not ethical to impersonate a local team member by wearing the team kit of a team one does not belong to. That would be deceitful.
Other than that, why should anyone care what kind of jersey one wears. Mapei team kit, National Champ, Maillot Jaune, Polka Dot, Pink or anything else. No one in an OBRA race is going to think he's racing against Lance if someone shows up in The Yellow Jersey. If the powers that be or the champions themselves thought it mattered, those jerseys would not be mass produced and sold to the general public. Why should you care if they don't? To many it's a sign of respect, recognition and flattery to wear the team kits of the pros and the leader's jerseys of the grand tours. To others it's just fun. I think it's not nice to try and embarrass people by telling them it's against etiquette to wear that cool jersey they just bought from that Euro-whatever web site. You can make fun of me the next time you see me in the defunct team Festina kit, but just know that I don't give a crap what you think about what's appropriate to wear in a bike race. Okay, that's me, and I think it would be fun to play a little Chopsticks on Chopin's ivories too.
Peter LaPorte <oregon-@cs.com> wrote:
Peter
Brave of you to step forward. As to the issue, I am of two minds. First, I do wear team kit - Fakta, CSC and Credit Agricole to be precise. I like the designs, like Tyler (guess I should change the CSC jersey) and so on.
But, I would NEVER wear a yellow jersey, KOM jersey (ha!) or national champion jersey. Friends gave me the commemorative Lance Trek yellow jersey last year - it sits in my closet unused.
Team kit is one thing - recognition jerseys are something else. My daughter is a pianist - but she would never even consider play Chopin's ore Beethoven's piano.
I wasn't there so I can't comment on your civility or tone. But, the underlying message: humility and, as you suggest, knowing your place in the grand scheme of things.
Peter LaPorte
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did I ever tell you about the time I caught flak
from several directions for wearing a jersey with "EAT ME" emblazoned on
it in reflective prismatic letters? It seemed some folks did not
appreciate the "Animal House" reference and thought it was offensive. It did
keep me safe while riding at night though.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=-@wans.net href="mailto:voy-@wans.net">John Schader</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ore-@cs.com
href="mailto:oregon-@cs.com">oregon-@cs.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title-@topica.com
href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat]
ettiquette?</DIV>
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<DIV>Sounds like a silly discussion to me. (But here I am being
silly with the rest of you. This is probably email #51 on this topic - sorry.)
I'm sure the spirit of the rule is to make it clear that it is not ethical to
impersonate a local team member by wearing the team kit of a team one does not
belong to. That would be deceitful.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Other than that, why should anyone care what kind of jersey one wears.
Mapei team kit, National Champ, Maillot Jaune, Polka Dot, Pink or
anything else. No one in an OBRA race is going to think he's racing against
Lance if someone shows up in The Yellow Jersey. If the powers that be or
the champions themselves thought it mattered, those jerseys would not be mass
produced and sold to the general public. Why should you care if they don't? To
many it's a sign of respect, recognition and flattery to wear the team
kits of the pros and the leader's jerseys of the grand tours. To others it's
just fun. I think it's not nice to try and embarrass people by telling them
it's against etiquette to wear that cool jersey they just bought from
that Euro-whatever web site. You can make fun of me the next time you see me
in the defunct team Festina kit, but just know that I don't give a
crap what you think about what's appropriate to wear in a bike race. Okay,
that's me, and I think it would be fun to play a little Chopsticks on
Chopin's ivories too.<BR><BR><B><I>Peter LaPorte
<oregon-@cs.com></I></B> wrote: </DIV>
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PTSIZE="10">Peter<BR><BR>Brave of you to step forward. As to the issue, I am
of two minds. First, I do wear team kit - Fakta, CSC and Credit Agricole to
be precise. I like the designs, like Tyler (guess I should change the CSC
jersey) and so on.<BR><BR>But, I would NEVER wear a yellow jersey, KOM
jersey (ha!) or national champion jersey. Friends gave me the commemorative
Lance Trek yellow jersey last year - it sits in my closet unused.
<BR><BR>Team kit is one thing - recognition jerseys are something else. My
daughter is a pianist - but she would never even consider play Chopin's ore
Beethoven's piano.<BR><BR>I wasn't there so I can't comment on your civility
or tone. But, the underlying message: humility and, as you suggest, knowing
your place in the grand scheme of things.<BR><BR>Peter LaPorte<BR></FONT><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.
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