Mark Jenkins
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The sustainability of road racing lies in the possibility of expanding it's
participation base and welcoming the "risk" that newcomers will both adopt
and change its culture. You probably can't police those things all that
effectively, but you can try, and you're welcome to whatever nostalgic
pleasure there is in that sort of thing. "Etiquette" probably is a good term
for it because it has to do with matters of taste and comportment and
respect for social standing.
But it seems like the 'etiquette' questions and traditions that are really
important in the community of road racing are made of the sum of good and
bad things that can happen when people are four inches off your elbow at 25
mph for 40 or 50 miles. If you're going to spend time 'educating' someone
about racing, 'transmitting' your hard-won knowledge, spend that time
educating them about the kinds of civility and comportment that keep
everyone upright and having fun.
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From: Susan Otcenas [mailto:sus-@teamestrogen.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:05 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] ettiquette?
The teams license and SELL these jerseys. They make money off of those
sales, generally. They obviously intend them to be worn.
Packers fans wear Packers jerseys to games. Yankees fans wear Yankees
jerseys to games. Does this make you think the person in the jersey must be
on the team? Or that they've somehow not "earned" the right to wear the
jersey & show their team spirit & admiration for the accomplishments of that
team? Trek makes a postal service bike. Is one allowed to purchase and
ride it only if they can keep up with the Great One himself?
I can't speak to the appropriateness of wearing a pro-team jersey in a local
race. If the rules don't ban it, it seems to me you should give the kid a
break. And if you disagree, perhaps tactfully and quietly (so as not to
embarrass the person into never showing up again for fear of breaking some
other unspoken "rule") take that person aside and mentor them a little. As
someone else recently posted, the future of the sport is in the youngsters.
Let's not scare them off.
Just my 2 cents,
Susan
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<DIV><SPAN class=093143121-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
sustainability of road racing lies in the possibility of
expanding it's participation base and welcoming the "risk" that newcomers
will both adopt and change its culture. You probably can't police those
things all that effectively, but you can try, and you're welcome to
whatever nostalgic pleasure there is in that sort of thing. "Etiquette" probably
is a good term for it because it has to do with matters of taste and comportment
and respect for social standing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093143121-16032004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=093143121-16032004>But it seems like the 'etiquette' questions and
traditions that are really important in the community of road
racing are made of the sum of good and bad things that can happen when
people are four inches off your elbow at 25 mph for 40 or 50 miles. If
you're going to spend time 'educating' someone about racing, 'transmitting' your
hard-won knowledge, spend that time educating them about the kinds of
civility and comportment that keep everyone upright and having fun.
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093143121-16032004></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><BR><FONT
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Susan Otcenas
[mailto:sus-@teamestrogen.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:05
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat]
ettiquette?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><SPAN class=383392420-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
teams license and SELL these jerseys. They make money off of those
sales, generally. They obviously intend them to be
worn. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=383392420-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=383392420-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Packers fans wear Packers jerseys to games. Yankees
fans wear Yankees jerseys to games. Does this make you think the person
in the jersey must be on the team? Or that they've somehow not "earned"
the right to wear the jersey & show their team spirit & admiration for
the accomplishments of that team? Trek makes a postal service
bike. Is one allowed to purchase and ride it only if they can keep up
with the Great One himself?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=383392420-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=383392420-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
can't speak to the appropriateness of wearing a pro-team jersey in a local
race. If the rules don't ban it, it seems to me you should give the kid
a break. And if you disagree, perhaps tactfully and quietly (so as not
to embarrass the person into never showing up again for fear of breaking some
other unspoken "rule") take that person aside and mentor them a
little. As someone else recently posted, the future of the sport is
in the youngsters. Let's not scare them
off.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=383392420-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=383392420-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Just
my 2 cents,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=383392420-16032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Susan</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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