the last note on etiquette

Chris Alling

2004-03-17



There have been a couple of times when I have called the police on

drivers. Once during a commute home a driver threw some stuff at me.

Once was not enough so they stopped and did it again. This time I was

ready so I quickly memorized his plate number got home and called the

police. The police were very responsive and went over and had a visit

with the driver. It turned out the driver was a teenager who had used

his parents car to go to the store and was miles from were he was

suppose to be. According to the police person who called me back after

his visit the kid was scared and the parents grounded him from the car

for the rest of the summer.





Chris



-----Original Message-----

From: Erik Voldengen [mailto:eri-@fusium.com]

Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:54 PM

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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] the last note on etiquette



Is it illegal to honk and yell at a cyclist? I'd love to report some of

the

people I encounter on my daily commute, but I'm pretty sure the police

wouldn't care. Even if they did care, what could the authorities do?



 One thing you can do is keep a note pad & pencil

in you pocket with a cell phone and make a call to the police with the

license plate and description. You'll get there attention when

the law shows up at there home.



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eri-@fusium.com

2004-03-17



Is it illegal to honk and yell at a cyclist? I'd love to report some of the

people I encounter on my daily commute, but I'm pretty sure the police

wouldn't care. Even if they did care, what could the authorities do?



 One thing you can do is keep a note pad & pencil

in you pocket with a cell phone and make a call to the police with the

license plate and description. You'll get there attention when

the law shows up at there home.



mark duff

2004-03-17



Waving isn't a good idea IMHO, just keep riding and do nothing. If there an

agro driver waving is just going to fuel the fire. Either for yourself or

for the next rider they come across down the road. If they honk or lay on

the horn, just get over and keep riding. Doing nothing is the best bet even

if they are in the wrong. One thing you can do is keep a note pad & pencil

in you pocket with a cell phone and make a call to the police with the

license plate and description. You'll get there attention when the law shows

up at there home.



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AL0n3

2004-03-17



i bet!   i've been commuting for 17 yrs now with no car and i have seen the

best in motorist here in oregon....i'm in sellwood and i have ran into some

wiredos lemme tell you!! i had a guy and 3 of his children chase me from

sellwood to hawthorn bridge trying to run me over and telling me he was

going to kick my ass and other wonderful words to go along with it....it was

his fault in the beginning and all i did was wave to him for not killing me.

but everyday it's always something......and when i was in europe i saw a

group of bike friday's passing me by and i said those bikes are great and

that i lived in eugene and they had no idea what i was talking about

haha...anyways biking over there is awesome!



ricky

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From: "Nathan Spear" <n-@nathanspear.com>

To: <cmur-@obra.org>; "'obra'" <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:14 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] the last note on etiquette





 Candi,



I am not surprised.



I have taken note of a social difference between motorist in America,

Europe

 and South America while on my bike. American's are so competitive.

Commuters coming across the Hawthorne Bridge race me to a stop light. I

always find this puzzling. European's live a more balanced and steadier

life. While they drive fast they respect the cyclist on the road.   There

are bike lanes everywhere, and the cyclists don't feel obligated to look

over their shoulders when coming to a crossing. They know that the

motorists have both eyes open, do see them and won't pretend that they

didn't when you are forced to shot a star at them as the come oh so close

to

 taking you out. When I have been in Europe the people I am around ride

the

 mile or two on their cruisers to the bakery and pharmacy, leaving the cars

in the drive. I bet more people here would too if our gas was $4 a

gallon.

 South America is a wonderful place to ride. They also drive fast in their

little cars, but they seemed to totally respect cyclists. Often you would

hear a short horn beep (just like the cyclist heard on Sat) and you would

know to hold your line. Never did I have a horn laid on. Cycles and

autos

 live in harmony on that continent.



-Nathan



-----Original Message-----

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn [mailto:cmur-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:25 AM

To: obra

Subject: [OBRA Chat] the last note on etiquette



As we close this topic off I also wanted to comment on another type of

etiquette. While I was timing the Built for Speed, a very nice member of

the motoring public (this is a sincere statement not sarcasm) stopped to

mention his experience as he passes one of the competitors. It seems that

he tapped on the horn as he passed the rider, who was occupying the whole

lane. As he passed the rider flipped him off. Please guys, use all your

fingers! Wave and smile, we do not need any more antagonism out there.

If

 we can convert just one driver each race we are ahead of the game.



My two cents

Candi



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Adams, Mike

2004-03-17



Oh now you did it! Motorized etiquette is a whole other topic i.e. 2 abreast, sidewalks, bridges, etc., but I completely agree with the wave and smile response, even if the motorist is negative, we need to maintain a positive response in our sharing of the pavement.

Mike



-----Original Message-----

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn [mailto:cmur-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:25 AM

To: obra

Subject: [OBRA Chat] the last note on etiquette





As we close this topic off I also wanted to comment on another type of

etiquette. While I was timing the Built for Speed, a very nice member of

the motoring public (this is a sincere statement not sarcasm) stopped to

mention his experience as he passes one of the competitors. It seems that

he tapped on the horn as he passed the rider, who was occupying the whole

lane. As he passed the rider flipped him off. Please guys, use all your

fingers! Wave and smile, we do not need any more antagonism out there. If

we can convert just one driver each race we are ahead of the game.



My two cents

Candi



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Nathan Spear

2004-03-17



Candi,



I am not surprised.



I have taken note of a social difference between motorist in America, Europe

and South America while on my bike. American's are so competitive.

Commuters coming across the Hawthorne Bridge race me to a stop light. I

always find this puzzling. European's live a more balanced and steadier

life. While they drive fast they respect the cyclist on the road.   There

are bike lanes everywhere, and the cyclists don't feel obligated to look

over their shoulders when coming to a crossing. They know that the

motorists have both eyes open, do see them and won't pretend that they

didn't when you are forced to shot a star at them as the come oh so close to

taking you out. When I have been in Europe the people I am around ride the

mile or two on their cruisers to the bakery and pharmacy, leaving the cars

in the drive. I bet more people here would too if our gas was $4 a gallon.

South America is a wonderful place to ride. They also drive fast in their

little cars, but they seemed to totally respect cyclists. Often you would

hear a short horn beep (just like the cyclist heard on Sat) and you would

know to hold your line. Never did I have a horn laid on. Cycles and autos

live in harmony on that continent.



-Nathan



-----Original Message-----

From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn [mailto:cmur-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:25 AM

To: obra

Subject: [OBRA Chat] the last note on etiquette



As we close this topic off I also wanted to comment on another type of

etiquette. While I was timing the Built for Speed, a very nice member of

the motoring public (this is a sincere statement not sarcasm) stopped to

mention his experience as he passes one of the competitors. It seems that

he tapped on the horn as he passed the rider, who was occupying the whole

lane. As he passed the rider flipped him off. Please guys, use all your

fingers! Wave and smile, we do not need any more antagonism out there. If

we can convert just one driver each race we are ahead of the game.



My two cents

Candi



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Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

2004-03-17



As we close this topic off I also wanted to comment on another type of

etiquette. While I was timing the Built for Speed, a very nice member of

the motoring public (this is a sincere statement not sarcasm) stopped to

mention his experience as he passes one of the competitors. It seems that

he tapped on the horn as he passed the rider, who was occupying the whole

lane. As he passed the rider flipped him off. Please guys, use all your

fingers! Wave and smile, we do not need any more antagonism out there. If

we can convert just one driver each race we are ahead of the game.



My two cents

Candi