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Remember most promoters reserve the right to kick folks out of their race, or to not accept a persons registration.

I'd suggest that if a promoter thinks a person or team, or group or people or what ever, are being bad, well then don't let them race your race the next time around.

Can you imagine being told you're not welcome at PIR? The Track? A weekly series? a yearly race you like, or love, or event sort of enjoy a little.

Please remember friends that racing your bicycle is not a right, it is a priviledge. And when was the last time YOU put on a race?

Mark Ginsberg

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Please do not mention team as creating a scene when it happens to be one or two individuals that were involved. I do not agree at all that this is the right media to aired this issue.

Thank You Mike Adams

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Corben Huntair creating a scene?

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Please see the note I got below about some of the problems at ETT. Seems

like we should take some punitive action against a team that is so

disruptive.

Candi

Subject: Some things never change

Hi Candi,

I arrived at the registration table today to find an uproar

in progress. One member of the Corbin Hunt Aire team had

created such stress that several of the Bosen family

VOLUNTEERS could not function in critical jobs, such as

registration and start sheets, time critical jobs. One was

crying and had to be comforted to get back on track. The

disruptive person, George Schreck, I am told by several of

the race staff and competitors, was insisting on changing

all the start intervals from one minute to 30 seconds, and

the schedule of fields, to suit his personal needs, and all

his insisting was in a VERY LOUD and aggravating manner.

These changes to the race program first of all were not

possible as the staff assembled were set up to do one minute

starts. This is common at many other time trials in OBRA

land. Also, such a late change to basic race conditions is

not only difficult, it is unfair to the other racers and is

rarely if ever attempted. In my short conversation with

this rider, no reasonable issue for the changes was

mentioned, nothing that warranted the situation he caused,

just his personal issues and desires.

At the time of my arrival, another race entrant from a

different team was doing damage control with the volunteer

staff, doing his best to sooth and calm these very nice

people after the prior unnecessary and totally inappropriate

conduct they experienced. For this I thank him(I don't know

his name). My first task at the race as Chief Judge was to

deal with this problem. I had to take valuable time to do

get my staff back to their job. Despite this distration,

the Bosen family was able to get the event started with race

time only five minutes after real time.

After registration was closed, a different Corbin Hunt Aire

rider came forward and said he was not doing a second ride

and asked for a refund of his fee. He was told by the

promoter that they do not refund entries, basic policy.

Again, in a LOUD VOICE, this Corbin Hunt Aire rider let the

staff know his opinion of the event.

I find it disconcerting that this team, the Corbin Hunt Aire

team, was the only team making ANY COMPLAINT at the event.

I find it ridiculous to see event bashing by the Corbin Hunt

Aire team on the OBRA remailer, especially after I allowed

this team of poor sports to change some start time slots. I

did this basically to bury their boorish behavior and allow

my staff to get on with the event.

Many other riders commented to me and to the Bosen family

that they were very embarrassed by this whole situation.

All the other competitors registered, started and RACED.

Only Corbin Hunt Aire was out of line.

As you are aware, I stepped forward to work this event at a

very late date despite my busy schedule. If I were

officiating

regularly this year, the Corbin Hunt Aire team would have a

very difficult time getting any sort of relief from me

again.

Tom

Chief Judge

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<DIV>Remember most promoters reserve the right to kick folks out of their race, or to not accept a persons registration.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I'd suggest that if a promoter thinks a person or team, or group or people or what ever, are being bad, well then don't let them race your race the next time around.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Can you imagine being told you're not welcome at PIR? The Track? A weekly series? a yearly race you like, or love, or event sort of enjoy a little.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Please remember friends that racing your bicycle is not a right, it is a priviledge. And when was the last time YOU put on a race?</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Mark Ginsberg "Adams, Mike" <mad-@huttig.com> wrote:</DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">=========================================================== $6.95 .com Domain Name Sale! Limited Time! ICANN Accredited GoDaddy! http://click.topica.com/caab8LhaVxiDpa2k2qEa/ GoDaddy =========================================================== Please do not mention team as creating a scene when it happens to be one or two individuals that were involved. I do not agree at all that this is the right media to aired this issue. Thank You Mike Adams -----Original Message----- From: cmur-@obra.org [mailto:cmur-@obra.org] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:14 PM To: ob-@topica.com Subject: [OBRA Chat] Corben Huntair creating a scene? =========================================================== MORTGAGE / REFINANCE RATES ARE LOW. ACT NOW! 3 Mortgage brokers compete for your business. Great rates, no obligation, and easy

form. http://click.topica.com/caab6aaaVxiDpa84p7Wa/ Insurance4usa.com =========================================================== Please see the note I got below about some of the problems at ETT. Seems like we should take some punitive action against a team that is so disruptive. Candi Subject: Some things never change Hi Candi, I arrived at the registration table today to find an uproar in progress. One member of the Corbin Hunt Aire team had created such stress that several of the Bosen family VOLUNTEERS could not function in critical jobs, such as registration and start sheets, time critical jobs. One was crying and had to be comforted to get back on track. The disruptive person, George Schreck, I am told by several of the race staff and competitors, was insisting on changing all the start intervals from one minute to 30 seconds, and the schedule of fields, to suit his personal needs, and

all his insisting was in a VERY LOUD and aggravating manner. These changes to the race program first of all were not possible as the staff assembled were set up to do one minute starts. This is common at many other time trials in OBRA land. Also, such a late change to basic race conditions is not only difficult, it is unfair to the other racers and is rarely if ever attempted. In my short conversation with this rider, no reasonable issue for the changes was mentioned, nothing that warranted the situation he caused, just his personal issues and desires. At the time of my arrival, another race entrant from a different team was doing damage control with the volunteer staff, doing his best to sooth and calm these very nice people after the prior unnecessary and totally inappropriate conduct they experienced. For this I thank him(I don't know his name). My first task at the race as Chief Judge was to deal with this problem. I had

to take valuable time to do get my staff back to their job. Despite this distration, the Bosen family was able to get the event started with race time only five minutes after real time. After registration was closed, a different Corbin Hunt Aire rider came forward and said he was not doing a second ride and asked for a refund of his fee. He was told by the promoter that they do not refund entries, basic policy. Again, in a LOUD VOICE, this Corbin Hunt Aire rider let the staff know his opinion of the event. I find it disconcerting that this team, the Corbin Hunt Aire team, was the only team making ANY COMPLAINT at the event. I find it ridiculous to see event bashing by the Corbin Hunt Aire team on the OBRA remailer, especially after I allowed this team of poor sports to change some start time slots. I did this basically to bury their boorish behavior and allow my staff to get on with the event. Many other riders commented

to me and to the Bosen family that they were very embarrassed by this whole situation. All the other competitors registered, started and RACED. Only Corbin Hunt Aire was out of line. As you are aware, I stepped forward to work this event at a very late date despite my busy schedule. If I were officiating regularly this year, the Corbin Hunt Aire team would have a very difficult time getting any sort of relief from me again. Tom Chief Judge -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . =========================================================== INSTANT CAR INSURANCE QUOTE! Save time, save money, and get the best deal. Get quote, buy, and print insurance cards online! http://click.topica.com/caab599aVxiDpa84p7Wf/ Insurance4usa.com =========================================================== To respond to the

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