Corben Huntair Team/ Individual histrionics

stevea-@comcast.net

2004-04-19



I called Michael, as was suggested in a couple of e-mails to this list,

and he didn't instruct me to show up by 9:30. I don't know where this

9:30 thing is coming from other than those that didn't pre-register. As

a matter of fact, I showed up 30 minutes prior to my start time and was

told I didn't need to do anything accept be at the time in time.







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One other point. Tom says the following:



In my short conversation with

this rider, no reasonable issue for the changes was

mentioned, nothing that warranted the situation he caused,

just his personal issues and desires.





I was very clear about why it needed to be changed.



1. They told everyone to be there no later than 9:30, and people were

going to have to wait for three to five hours. I though that was

unreasonable for everyone and not just me.



2. I told him that it was more dangerous to run a TT that late because

traffic would increase, and there would be the potential for more auto

conflict. Last year, we had a number of problems with motorists.



It was not just my personal desires, but a better and safer way to run

the event, but then I often find that Tom often does not listen very

well once he has made his mind up. He just nods until you go away.



Also, everyone was complaining. If Tom did not know, he was not

listening (see above). Lets not be selective about our recollection if

you are going to send this to the world. In the future, I would

suggest that we discuss these matters privately. Since we have decided

to make this one public, then I guess we can have at it and boor

everyone on the list or we can take it offline. Your choice.





-----Original Message-----

From: Robert Burney [mailto:rob-@corben.org]

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:35 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Cc: Rob Annen; Schreck, George; SRH-@webtv.net; Chris Bright (Chris

Bright); leot-@finneganstoys.com; rondfe-@netscape.net;

Cale.P-@columbiamanagement.com; mike.-@intel.com;

ivan.c.-@intel.com

Subject: Corben Huntair Team/ Individual histrionics





Dear OBRA list, Estacada TT organizers/promoters and officials,



Since I already posted to this list once today in SUPPORT of the

organizers of the TT, I am upset that my company's name was used as

sponsor of the team when the scene was created by individuals. I

understand that sponsors want to get the good press from a team, and

thus may also get bad press, but why mention the team name when the

individual is to blame?



I have contacted the individuals and the team management to ask them to

respond to the race promoters. I, for one, think this should go

off-line if we want to encourage sponsors to continue to pay teams for

the 'privilege' of advertising on uniforms. Robert Burney



Robert E. Burney, JD

President



THE CORBEN GROUP

    300 Oswego Pointe Drive, Suite 210

            Lake Oswego, OR 97034

?

Office:??? 503-636-0097? ext 2254

Direct:??? 503-905-2254

Toll Free: 800-625-4544

Fax:?????? 503-636-0596

Email:    rob-@corbengroup.com

Website: www.corben.org    ?













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Schreck, George

2004-04-19



One other point. Tom says the following:



In my short conversation with

this rider, no reasonable issue for the changes was

mentioned, nothing that warranted the situation he caused,

just his personal issues and desires.





I was very clear about why it needed to be changed.



1. They told everyone to be there no later than 9:30, and people were going to have to wait for three to five hours. I though that was unreasonable for everyone and not just me.



2. I told him that it was more dangerous to run a TT that late because traffic would increase, and there would be the potential for more auto conflict. Last year, we had a number of problems with motorists.



It was not just my personal desires, but a better and safer way to run the event, but then I often find that Tom often does not listen very well once he has made his mind up. He just nods until you go away.



Also, everyone was complaining. If Tom did not know, he was not listening (see above). Lets not be selective about our recollection if you are going to send this to the world. In the future, I would suggest that we discuss these matters privately. Since we have decided to make this one public, then I guess we can have at it and boor everyone on the list or we can take it offline. Your choice.





-----Original Message-----

From: Robert Burney [mailto:rob-@corben.org]

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:35 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Cc: Rob Annen; Schreck, George; SRH-@webtv.net; Chris Bright (Chris Bright); leot-@finneganstoys.com; rondfe-@netscape.net; Cale.P-@columbiamanagement.com; mike.-@intel.com; ivan.c.-@intel.com

Subject: Corben Huntair Team/ Individual histrionics





Dear OBRA list, Estacada TT organizers/promoters and officials,



Since I already posted to this list once today in SUPPORT of the organizers of the TT, I am upset that my company's name was used as sponsor of the team when the scene was created by individuals. I understand that sponsors want to get the good press from a team, and thus may also get bad press, but why mention the team name when the individual is to blame?



I have contacted the individuals and the team management to ask them to respond to the race promoters. I, for one, think this should go off-line if we want to encourage sponsors to continue to pay teams for the 'privilege' of advertising on uniforms. Robert Burney



Robert E. Burney, JD

President



THE CORBEN GROUP

    300 Oswego Pointe Drive, Suite 210

            Lake Oswego, OR 97034

?

Office:??? 503-636-0097? ext 2254

Direct:??? 503-905-2254

Toll Free: 800-625-4544

Fax:?????? 503-636-0596

Email:    rob-@corbengroup.com

Website: www.corben.org    ?













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Robert Burney

2004-04-19



Dear OBRA list, Estacada TT organizers/promoters and officials,



Since I already posted to this list once today in SUPPORT of the organizers of the TT, I am upset that my company's name was used as sponsor of the team when the scene was created by individuals. I understand that sponsors want to get the good press from a team, and thus may also get bad press, but why mention the team name when the individual is to blame?



I have contacted the individuals and the team management to ask them to respond to the race promoters. I, for one, think this should go off-line if we want to encourage sponsors to continue to pay teams for the 'privilege' of advertising on uniforms.

Robert Burney



Robert E. Burney, JD

President



THE CORBEN GROUP

    300 Oswego Pointe Drive, Suite 210

            Lake Oswego, OR 97034

?

Office:??? 503-636-0097? ext 2254

Direct:??? 503-905-2254

Toll Free: 800-625-4544

Fax:?????? 503-636-0596

Email:    rob-@corbengroup.com

Website: www.corben.org    ?