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I've commuted across the Sellwood Bridge for 7 years. Formerly, there were
Bikes Walk signs, and I'm not even sure when they disappeared. It's
interesting that there will be again, but I can count on one hand the number
of bikers I actually saw walking when the signs were up. Similarly, I can
count on the other the even slightly irritable encounters I've had with
walkers or riders on the bridge. Most people who use the bridge regularly
realize the difficulties of the walkway, and most deal with it in relative
good faith. I'm not sure regulation and traffic control widgets are needed,
though a better path and roadway would be nice. The inevitable long-term
closure of the bridge for that work will not.
I'm a good rider, but I will not use that bridge roadway. I have tried it on
occasion and I find it to be extremely dangerous. No shoulders, high curb,
bad surface, high speeds, heavy traffic, narrow lanes. Frankly, I think that
the police realize that the bridge is a) not ideal; b) a primary E-W
commuting route for pedestrians and bikers. I've encountered police while
riding on the bridge on numerous occasions and have never received so much
as a warning. The signs make adjudicating ped/bike encounters an easier
matter for police and that doesn't seem to me a big deal in this particular
case.
Generally, I've found that etiquette is best handled by making way for
downhill bike traffic, though I think Scott McMillan's earlier comment
pretty much sums it up.
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From: markjgi-@yahoo.com [mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:17 AM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Sellwood Bridge Etiquette
Sellwood Bridge is controlled by Multnomah County. Laws are enforced on it
by Portland Police.
The biker walk signs were recently put up b/c county counsel (i.e. the we
don't wanna get sued department) was concerned that there could/would be a
collision on this seriously undersized path.
I've been thinking about just riding on the road way, which is not my
favorite choice, but for a faster rider is not unreasonable.
Think about how this cuts in half the loop which has been created for the
recreational riders who can ride the east side and west side bike
esplanades, but now must walk across the bridge to connect the two.
Folks who are unhappy with the change to the Sellwood Bridge can write to
Matt Larsen, the Multnomah county bike/ped guy. He was in favor of bikers
being allowed to ride, but county counsel said no. His email is:
matthew.-@co.multnomah.or.us
<mailto:matthew.-@co.multnomah.or.us>
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It's against the law to ride your bike on the sidewalk of the Sellwood
Bridge. It is posted at the bridge by Portland Police that you have to
walk you bike across.
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What is the etiquette when you encounter another cyclist while crossing
the Sellwood bridge using the sidewalk? I've always thought that the
cyclist who has already crested the middle of the bridge (regardless of
direction) and is heading down has the right of way and the uphill
cyclist should slow/stop and move as close to the rail as possible. What
do you think? Is there a written or an unwritten rule?
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I've commuted across the </span></font><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><span
class=SpellE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sellwood</span></font></span></st1:PlaceName><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><st1:PlaceType><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bridge</span></font></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> for 7 years. Formerly, there <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span
style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>were</span></i> Bikes Walk
signs, and I'm not even sure when they disappeared. It's
interesting that there will be again, but I can count on one hand the number of
bikers I actually saw walking when the signs were up. Similarly, I can count on
the other the even slightly irritable encounters I've had with walkers or
riders on the bridge. Most people who use the bridge regularly realize the
difficulties of the walkway, and most deal with it in relative good faith. I'm
not sure regulation and traffic control widgets are needed, though a better path
and roadway would be nice. The inevitable long-term closure of the bridge for
that work will not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I'm a good rider, but I will not use
that bridge roadway. I have tried it on occasion and I find it to be extremely
dangerous. No shoulders, high curb, bad surface, high speeds, heavy traffic,
narrow lanes. Frankly, I think that the police realize that the bridge is a)
not ideal; b) a primary E-W commuting route for pedestrians and bikers. I've
encountered police while riding on the bridge on numerous occasions and have never
received so much as a warning. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The
signs make adjudicating <span class=SpellE>ped</span>/bike encounters an easier
matter for police and that doesn't seem to me a big deal in this particular
case.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Generally, I've found that etiquette
is best handled by making way for downhill bike traffic, though I think Scott
McMillan's earlier comment pretty much sums it up. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> markjgi-@yahoo.com
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 29, 2004
9:17 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ob-@topica.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [OBRA Chat] Sellwood
Bridge Etiquette</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sellwood Bridge is controlled by Multnomah County.
Laws are enforced on it by Portland Police.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The biker walk signs were recently put up b/c county
counsel (i.e. the we don't wanna get sued department) was concerned that there
could/would be a collision on this seriously undersized path.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I've been thinking about just riding on the road way,
which is not my favorite choice, but for a faster rider is not unreasonable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Think about how this cuts in half the loop which has
been created for the recreational riders who can ride the east side and west
side bike esplanades, but now must walk across the bridge to connect the two.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Folks who are unhappy with the change to the Sellwood
Bridge can write to Matt Larsen, the Multnomah county bike/ped guy. He was in
favor of bikers being allowed to ride, but county counsel said no. His email
is: </span></font><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:Verdana'><a href="mailto:matthew.-@co.multnomah.or.us">matthew.-@co.multnomah.or.us</a>
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It's against the law to ride your bike on the sidewalk of the Sellwood<br>
Bridge. It is posted at the bridge by Portland Police that you have to<br>
walk you bike across.<br>
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What is the etiquette when you encounter another cyclist while crossing <br>
the Sellwood bridge using the sidewalk? I've always thought that the <br>
cyclist who has already crested the middle of the bridge (regardless of <br>
direction) and is heading down has the right of way and the uphill <br>
cyclist should slow/stop and move as close to the rail as possible. What<br>
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