Workout frequency

Oregon-@cs.com

2004-05-10





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My take: no, it is not possible to do cardio training while in a recovery

phase (from a power workout, I assume).



Recovery - including recovery rides - are just that: a period of working at

well-below maximal effort level. From my standpoint, alternating power (hills;

big gears) and cardio (high cadence; lighter gears) works effectively.



Visit www.roadbikerider.com. There you will find several eBooks (PDF files)

that by Andy Pruitt, Arnie Baker, Fred Matheny and others (all cheap and

downloadable) on training. The High Intensity Training (HIT) book is particularly

interesting.



Peter



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">My take: no, it is not possible to do cardio training while in a recovery phase (from a power workout, I assume).  <BR>

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Recovery - including recovery rides - are just that: a period of working at well-below maximal effort level.  From my standpoint, alternating power (hills; big gears) and cardio (high cadence; lighter gears) works effectively.<BR>

<BR>

Visit www.roadbikerider.com.  There you will find several eBooks (PDF files) that by Andy Pruitt, Arnie Baker, Fred Matheny and others (all cheap and downloadable) on training.  The High Intensity Training (HIT) book is particularly interesting.<BR>

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Peter</FONT></HTML>



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Pat Sagers

2004-05-10



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Let me see if I can clarify my question. Is it possible to train cardio

while attempting to recover? Let's say I am in the build phase, not in the

peak/taper phase.



Thanks



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=281403522-10052004>Let me

see if I can clarify my question.  Is it possible to train cardio while

attempting to recover?  Let's say I am in the build phase, not in the

peak/taper phase.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

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Nicole.-@conagrafoods.com

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I consider over 90 to be high cadence.





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t depends on what your goals are but you definitely can and should train at high cadence 5 or more days a week to develop aerobically. Without it your endurance will be nil. Add your climbing in a couple of days a week in order to build strength. You could try doing some reading on the subject. A Chris Carmichael or Joe Friel book will give you much more detailed information about the kind of training you need.





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CAN SOMEONE DEFINE" HIGH CADENCE"....ARE WE TALKING AT THE 90'S OR MORE LIKE 110-120????



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=116363722-10052004>I consider over 90

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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dangc-@cs.com

[mailto:Dangc-@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 10, 2004 3:35

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lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">In a message dated

5/10/2004 2:40:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nicole.-@conagrafoods.com

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TYPE="CITE">t depends on what your goals are but you definitely can and should

train at high cadence 5 or more days a week to develop aerobically. 

Without it your endurance will be nil.  Add your climbing in a couple of

days a week in order to build strength.  You could try doing some reading

on the subject.  A Chris Carmichael or Joe Friel book will give you much

more detailed information about the kind of training you need.</FONT><FONT

lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"

PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR>  <BR>  <BR></FONT><FONT lang=0

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PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Pat

Sagers [mailto:pat_s-@orcom.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 10, 2004 2:12

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AT THE 90'S OR MORE LIKE 110-120????<BR><BR>DAN</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>



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Brian Baumann

2004-05-10



In addition to friel and Carmichael, I highly

recommend checking into Dave Morris' book on

power-based, block training. He also has a website

with research info as well. IMO-much more effective

(especially if time is a limiter) than the HR based

training advocated by Friel in his training bibles.









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It depends on what your goals are but you definitely can and should train at high cadence 5 or more days a week to develop aerobically. Without it your endurance will be nil. Add your climbing in a couple of days a week in order to build strength. You could try doing some reading on the subject. A Chris Carmichael or Joe Friel book will give you much more detailed information about the kind of training you need.





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I generally do two hard workouts per week. Right now I am concentrating on climbing and my style is more mash than spin. As you can imagine this is tough on my legs and it takes a few days before they are ready again. My question is how often can a person train their cardio if it does limited stress to the legs, ie faster spin in a much lower gear up the same hills, 5-6% grade? My thoughts are that I should be training my cardio more than twice per week.



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<DIV><SPAN class=274053521-10052004><FONT face=Arial size=2>It depends on what

your goals are but you definitely can and should train at high cadence 5 or more

days a week to develop aerobically.  Without it your endurance will be

nil.  Add your climbing in a couple of days a week in order to build

strength.  You could try doing some reading on the subject.  A Chris

Carmichael or Joe Friel book will give you much more detailed information about

the kind of training you need.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

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<DIV><SPAN class=671110621-10052004><FONT face=Arial size=2>I generally do two

hard workouts per week.  Right now I am concentrating on climbing and my

style is more mash than spin.  As you can imagine this is tough on my legs

and it takes a few days before they are ready again.  My question is how

often can a person train their cardio if it does limited stress to the legs, ie

faster spin in a much lower gear up the same hills, 5-6% grade?  My

thoughts are that I should be training my cardio more than twice per

week.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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I generally do two hard workouts per week. Right now I am concentrating on

climbing and my style is more mash than spin. As you can imagine this is

tough on my legs and it takes a few days before they are ready again. My

question is how often can a person train their cardio if it does limited

stress to the legs, ie faster spin in a much lower gear up the same hills,

5-6% grade? My thoughts are that I should be training my cardio more than

twice per week.



Thanks

Pat Sagers



Sr. Program Analyst

Alliance Data Systems

(541) 389-0120 x1554 voice

(541) 389-8267 fax





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<DIV><SPAN class=671110621-10052004><FONT face=Arial size=2>I generally do two

hard workouts per week.  Right now I am concentrating on climbing and my

style is more mash than spin.  As you can imagine this is tough on my legs

and it takes a few days before they are ready again.  My question is how

often can a person train their cardio if it does limited stress to the legs, ie

faster spin in a much lower gear up the same hills, 5-6% grade?  My

thoughts are that I should be training my cardio more than twice per

week.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=671110621-10052004><FONT face=Arial

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=671110621-10052004><FONT face=Arial

size=2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV align=left><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial>Pat

Sagers</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>

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size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>

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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Alliance Data Systems</FONT></DIV>

<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>(541) 389-0120 x1554 <EM><FONT

size=1>voice</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>

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