Mike Murray
The general idea is you could win every TT you enter and not move up in
category, but only if you never place well in a mass start event. If you
place well in mass start non-handicap qualifying events you move up in
category even if you are last in every TT you enter.
Candi will be posting the exact criteria that are looked at re: points for
places, points required, number of races field size requirements, etc. for
each category upgrade. In general, upgrades are requested rather than
mandatory, in part because tracking results for individuals is not currently
possible because of the data manipulation required. Occasionally someone
will stick out because of placing and will be "strongly encouraged" to
upgrade. Rarely people are upgraded by mandate.
Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim M. [mailto:tim-@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:12 AM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Eugene HC 5/11: moving up
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But.....if you have won several 4/5 time trials...(jack frost, Estacada,
built4speed) and
you have proven you can do well in a mass start race....i.e won a crit, or
even placed
in the top 5....isn't time to move up? Especially if your time trial times
are comparable
to cat 1 and 2 times? Or course we need fast guys in the 4/5's, and most of
the fast
4/5's challenge themselves by racing 3/4 when possible. But anytime you
consistently
dominate the 4/5 field, especially season to season, your sandbagging.
Right?
Tim M.
Ability to place in a TT has nothing to do with category. In fact, TT
placing do not count towards upgrading. A TT, and particularly an uphill TT
is a good measure of power output but bike racing is about a lot more than
just power output, thank God or I would have quit years ago.
Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Finch [mailto:kj_f-@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 17:13 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Eugene HC 5/11 by time
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Here's a general question for anybody who wants to
answer. Especially in light what sounds like was some
sand bagging going on at Walla Walla and Columbia
Plateau.
There are 3 "cat 4/5"'s placed in the top 6 of this
hill climb. And really only a handfull of seconds
behing Omer Kem who won, and as I recall also won the
Pro/1/2 at Columbia Plateau. Actually if you look at
the order of placings in general, they bear almost no
relation to rider category.
Now I know very well that some people are climbers and
some aren't and all that. But still, doesn't this seem
a bit odd?
Ken Finch
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Time OBRA Cat Racer
Name
Team Name
12:08 A33 1/2 Omer Kem
Broadmark Capital Cycling Team
12:20 A06 1/2 Zac Houghton
Hayden-Frontier
12:25 140 1/2 Nick Skenzick
#N/A
12:34 E64 4/5 Boyd Piebenga
N/A
12:36 H08 4/5 Joe King
N/A
12:42 C90 4/5 Martin
Anderson
U of O
12:50 821 3 Derek Darves
Collens Cycle/Specialized
12:52 328 30+ Alexander
Lehnert
EWEB Windpower cycling Team
12:57 597 3 Richard
Sweet
Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team
13:00 894 3 Ben West
Collens Cycle/Specialized
13:02 A05 1/2 Seth Wilkie
Hayden-Frontier
13:10 E02 40+ Brian McBride
N/A
13:11 E38 4/5 Nathan Guy
N/A
13:12 892 3 Jason Thorpe
UofO Cycling
13:15 896 4/5 Ryan Conrad
UofO Cycling
13:22 H53 50+ Mark Logan
Hutch's
13:23 898 4/5 Kevin Maier
UofO cycling
13:24 H51 4/5 Damien
Kruziki
Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team
13:25 E61 4/5 Michael Dials
Hutch's
13:27 522 3 Eric Kytola
Hutch's
13:28 893 3 Timothy Link
Bike Friday
13:36 H50 4/5 Abe
Schafermeyer
0
13:37 691 4/5 Joel Wilson
Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team
13:38 536 1/2 Brian
Mitchell
Hutch's
13:38 74 4/5 Orion
Beryman
#N/A
13:41 950 3 Martin
Holland-Bak
Hutch's
13:43 E24 4/5 Max Shute
N/A
13:48 492 4/5 Vic Steuber
Hutch's
13:58 E19 30+ Matt Ritzow
Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team
14:02 E62 4/5 Byron Gold
Hutch's
14:05 593 3 Matt
Bergerson
Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team
14:10 N61 3 Nate Sweet
EWEB Windpower cycling Team
14:16 E72 4/5 Sean Walston
0
14:18 203 W1/2 Kori Kunz
Fred Meyer Cycling Team - Lakeside-bikes
14:21 793 50+ Bary Foster
Wheelworks
14:24 475 4/5 Greg Crawford
EWEB Windpower cycling Team
14:27 E15 4/5 Christopher
White
0
14:28 438 40+ Paul
Qualtere-Burcher
EWEB Windpower cycling Team
14:31 721 50+ Roger Johnson
River City Wheelman
14:35 E07 W3 Veronica Valda
Hutch's
14:49 457 4/5 Russell Hunt
0
15:21 N65 4/5 Doug Leopold
Paul's Bicycle Way of Life Cycling Team
15:28 405 50+ Billy Ramsey
N/A
15:30 E17 W4 Erin Luckhardt
0
15:31 E01 W4 Beatriz
Sunderman-White
N/A
15:37 641 JR Davis
Shepherd
Hutch's
15:42 925 30+ Cameron Bittle
EWEB Windpower cycling Team
15:47 344 3 Lief
Hochendoner
Hutch's/Paramount
15:47 442 50+ Dan Henderson
Hutch's
15:51 E22 40+ John Ditomasso
EWEB Windpower cycling Team
15:52 E65 4/5 Morgon
Christensen
N/A
16:21 396 3 Leslie Lunas
0
16:23 279 W40+ Mary Ross
MAC
16:28 244 W4 Jaini Crawford
EWEB Windpower cycling Team
16:37 K84 40+ Tony Dodson
0
16:39 819 50+ Mark Armstrong
EWEB Windpower cycling Team
16:47 E23 3 Adam
Mangrich
N/A
16:56 76 TAN Peter Kasper
#N/A
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