Junior Racing in Oregon.

dcjmc-@msn.com

2004-05-23



Maybe it is time for every one of us (weather you race road or MTB) to bring

a JR to a race. Where do I find one that is interested you ask? Ask you

local bike shop it they know any kids that might be interested or put

together a ride with your local Boys and Girls Club or YMCA. Help form a

High School Team. We get a great response at the Grants Pass Boys and Girls

Club. We do a ride every Friday. The kids can't get enough of it. Lets all

share the gift of cycling to a kid. I know you will get more out of it than

they will.





Cliff McCann

Team Pistis

Team Manager



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Maybe there has been a "near death" for BMX racing but the BMX track at

Alpenrose is pretty busy. They have racing several days each week.

Interestingly, they too are seeing an aging of their riders. In part this

reflects the demographics of the population. There aren't as many kids as

there were when most of us were kids.



Alpenrose Velodrome will also be running a kid's program this summer.

Nathan Hobson and Mike Dunn have agreed to pick that up. Look for details

here soon.



As for Candi's original comment it was more of a comment about turn out than

about numbers of junior riders. There are currently 80 junior age group

people with annual road memberships.   This is plenty to make it likely that

there would be 4-5 teams of juniors just none showed up. There are 166

juniors with annual mountain bike numbers. To put this in perspective we

used to give out 200 series numbers to both juniors and women because there

were less than 100 of both groups combined. Currently about 10% of annual

OBRA members are 18 or under. This roughly represents the percentage of

10-18 year old people in the general population. Basically the problem is

primarily getting kids to turn out to races. Getting more kids to start

racing is a good idea but we are actually doing just as good a job at

attracting members in that age group as we are in other age groups.



Mike Murray



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As I write this, the 9 year girls that live across the street are racing

mountian

bikes around my neighbors yard with a 5 year old boy on a BMX bike in tow.

This daily event in my neighborhood brings 2 things to mind.



1. With the near death of BMX racing, there really is no bike racing that is

easy

to get involved with. Short track mountain bike racing near major cities

would a be great way to get these kids racing. Many kids already have Mt.

Bikes and short track allows parents to watch the race more easily and

allows for varying distance.

Short track Mtb. racing would be a great entry level sport kids and it is

likely that

these races would be a success because of participation by older racers.



2. More media coverage. Lately there has been some good coverage of bike

racing. The Gazette Times had Berry and Ryan on the front cover after

mudslinger

and Doug O. was featured in article on the cover of the sports page. Kids

and

parents are inspired when they read about these guys. The effort put into

the

successful campaign to see the Cyclocross Nats. in the media is an example

of energy well spent.



Mentoring is a good idea, but really we already have a lot of mentors

leading by

example. When I was young I imitated the people I thought were cool. I did

not do

what adults told me to do. In other words when I saw Darrel Young clear the

doubles at Riverside, or Tom Merrill bunny hop the hood of his Datsun 510, I

knew bikes were cool and I wanted to ride one.



Tim M.

















As the parent of a Junior racer and faced with the expense of junior racing

I can assure you the problem nor the solution is funding. Obra posseses a

wealth of great people with plenty of spare equiptment, transportation and

most of all experience. A more effective solution would be to put out a

challenge to teams and individuals to establish mentor programs allowing one

racer to work with one child. This may not be for everyone but if only

twenty OBRA racers became OBRA mentors this would bring twenty new junior

faces per season which would be night and day from what we see now. The key

to this plan is no budgetary obstacles the commitment of mentorship is a

commitment to provide equiptment(nominal cost for most racers)

transportation also nominal cost and training time. My point is the best

support is support not dependent on fundraising and budgets it is one that

draws its strength from participation. With schools in critical fiscal

situations and the country facing a multitude of social and economic

problems we must learn to be more prudent about selecting where we give

money and where we can be more effective givng our time.As a parent bicycle

racing pales in comparison as a concern or priority in my fiscal planning

when weighed against the condition of schools etc. As a mentor and volunteer

with urban programs I can say there are defintly more pressing concerns that

could use economic attention. So before we pass the plate in essence passing

the buck lets see who out there in OBRA land would like to become an OBRA

mentor.





 From: John Benenate <jo-@kidsofbike.org>

Reply-To: jo-@kidsofbike.org

To: cmur-@obra.org, ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Junior Racing in Oregon.

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:50:26 -0700



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Candi,



You wrote about the Oregon State Championship Team Time Trial:



"Not one team of juniors, not in the whole state. Sigh what a sad state of

affairs."





Verily, my dearest Matrone, this is what time it is in American Cycling.



Junior racing is a such a fragile organism, that we must nurture it in

every

way we can, wherever it is growing, whenever it is weak.



We must create a central fiscal body, perhaps a foundation, that can

respond

to any, and every need, Oregon Junior Racing has.



I propose the organization of a foundation called the "Oregon Fund for

Junior Development in Cycling." I would serve and work hard on a committee

of interested parties who share this vision of creating such a foundation.



Sincerely Yours,



--

John Benenate

Director Sportif

Cyclisme Racing Programs

b.i.k.e.

1532 SE Pine St

Portland, OR 97214

503-234-8454

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Mike Murray

2004-05-22



Maybe there has been a "near death" for BMX racing but the BMX track at

Alpenrose is pretty busy. They have racing several days each week.

Interestingly, they too are seeing an aging of their riders. In part this

reflects the demographics of the population. There aren't as many kids as

there were when most of us were kids.



Alpenrose Velodrome will also be running a kid's program this summer.

Nathan Hobson and Mike Dunn have agreed to pick that up. Look for details

here soon.



As for Candi's original comment it was more of a comment about turn out than

about numbers of junior riders. There are currently 80 junior age group

people with annual road memberships.   This is plenty to make it likely that

there would be 4-5 teams of juniors just none showed up. There are 166

juniors with annual mountain bike numbers. To put this in perspective we

used to give out 200 series numbers to both juniors and women because there

were less than 100 of both groups combined. Currently about 10% of annual

OBRA members are 18 or under. This roughly represents the percentage of

10-18 year old people in the general population. Basically the problem is

primarily getting kids to turn out to races. Getting more kids to start

racing is a good idea but we are actually doing just as good a job at

attracting members in that age group as we are in other age groups.



Mike Murray



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As I write this, the 9 year girls that live across the street are racing

mountian

bikes around my neighbors yard with a 5 year old boy on a BMX bike in tow.

This daily event in my neighborhood brings 2 things to mind.



1. With the near death of BMX racing, there really is no bike racing that is

easy

to get involved with. Short track mountain bike racing near major cities

would a be great way to get these kids racing. Many kids already have Mt.

Bikes and short track allows parents to watch the race more easily and

allows for varying distance.

Short track Mtb. racing would be a great entry level sport kids and it is

likely that

these races would be a success because of participation by older racers.



2. More media coverage. Lately there has been some good coverage of bike

racing. The Gazette Times had Berry and Ryan on the front cover after

mudslinger

and Doug O. was featured in article on the cover of the sports page. Kids

and

parents are inspired when they read about these guys. The effort put into

the

successful campaign to see the Cyclocross Nats. in the media is an example

of energy well spent.



Mentoring is a good idea, but really we already have a lot of mentors

leading by

example. When I was young I imitated the people I thought were cool. I did

not do

what adults told me to do. In other words when I saw Darrel Young clear the

doubles at Riverside, or Tom Merrill bunny hop the hood of his Datsun 510, I

knew bikes were cool and I wanted to ride one.



Tim M.

















As the parent of a Junior racer and faced with the expense of junior racing

I can assure you the problem nor the solution is funding. Obra posseses a

wealth of great people with plenty of spare equiptment, transportation and

most of all experience. A more effective solution would be to put out a

challenge to teams and individuals to establish mentor programs allowing one

racer to work with one child. This may not be for everyone but if only

twenty OBRA racers became OBRA mentors this would bring twenty new junior

faces per season which would be night and day from what we see now. The key

to this plan is no budgetary obstacles the commitment of mentorship is a

commitment to provide equiptment(nominal cost for most racers)

transportation also nominal cost and training time. My point is the best

support is support not dependent on fundraising and budgets it is one that

draws its strength from participation. With schools in critical fiscal

situations and the country facing a multitude of social and economic

problems we must learn to be more prudent about selecting where we give

money and where we can be more effective givng our time.As a parent bicycle

racing pales in comparison as a concern or priority in my fiscal planning

when weighed against the condition of schools etc. As a mentor and volunteer

with urban programs I can say there are defintly more pressing concerns that

could use economic attention. So before we pass the plate in essence passing

the buck lets see who out there in OBRA land would like to become an OBRA

mentor.





 From: John Benenate <jo-@kidsofbike.org>

Reply-To: jo-@kidsofbike.org

To: cmur-@obra.org, ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Junior Racing in Oregon.

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:50:26 -0700



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Candi,



You wrote about the Oregon State Championship Team Time Trial:



"Not one team of juniors, not in the whole state. Sigh what a sad state of

affairs."





Verily, my dearest Matrone, this is what time it is in American Cycling.



Junior racing is a such a fragile organism, that we must nurture it in

every

way we can, wherever it is growing, whenever it is weak.



We must create a central fiscal body, perhaps a foundation, that can

respond

to any, and every need, Oregon Junior Racing has.



I propose the organization of a foundation called the "Oregon Fund for

Junior Development in Cycling." I would serve and work hard on a committee

of interested parties who share this vision of creating such a foundation.



Sincerely Yours,



--

John Benenate

Director Sportif

Cyclisme Racing Programs

b.i.k.e.

1532 SE Pine St

Portland, OR 97214

503-234-8454

jo-@kidsofbike.org



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Tim M.

2004-05-22



When I say short track mtn bike racing, I am envisioning

the "cross-crusade" of mtn. bike racing. Maybe with a jumping

contest to add to the spectacle. And close to home. Mtn. biking

is popular with juniors, but races are usually far away from where

they live. That must limit participation.



Eh..this is sounding a lot like my sociology professor. ;)

"And we definitely need to look beyond our own front doors to

reach outside the box to include those never exposed and without

opportunity."



Tim










Cowan-@aol.com

2004-05-22





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I thought junior bike racing was pretty weak too. That is until this year

when I started doing mountain biking races. At both events I've done there have

been a lot of junior racers. So if you want to know where are the juniors,

you may want to check out the mountain bike circuit. It was nice to see a lot

kids there instead of just a lot of middle aged adults (no offense to other

middle aged adults as I am one). There was even a junior team I noticed,

"Outlaw Cycling" (still a nice bunch of kids though : )). And I've read about high

school mountain bike teams being formed as well, I'm not sure if there is one

in Bend but there may be.



Rich Cowan



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I thought junior bike racing was pretty weak too.  That is until this year when I started doing mountain biking races.  At both events I've done there have been a lot of junior racers.  So if you want to know where are the juniors, you may want to check out the mountain bike circuit.  It was nice to see a lot kids there instead of just a lot of middle aged adults (no offense to other middle aged adults as I am one).  There was even a junior team I noticed, "Outlaw Cycling" (still a nice bunch of kids though : )).  And I've read about high school mountain bike teams being formed as well, I'm not sure if there is one in Bend but there may be.<BR>

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Luciano bailey

2004-05-22



I think the type of mentorship I am refering to requires a larger

commitment. And we definitly need to look beyond our own front doors to

reach outside the box to include those never exposed and without

opportunity. I have children of my own, yet have still felt obligated and

priviligded to participate with the youth of the community who might

otherwise slip through the cracks. THis is more like a Big Brothers type of

commitment to fill the void between parent participation.





 From: "Tim M." <tim-@comcast.net>

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Junior Racing in Oregon.

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 11:43:51 -0700



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As I write this, the 9 year girls that live across the street are racing

mountian

bikes around my neighbors yard with a 5 year old boy on a BMX bike in tow.

This daily event in my neighborhood brings 2 things to mind.



1. With the near death of BMX racing, there really is no bike racing that

is

easy

to get involved with. Short track mountain bike racing near major cities

would a be great way to get these kids racing. Many kids already have Mt.

Bikes and short track allows parents to watch the race more easily and

allows for varying distance.

Short track Mtb. racing would be a great entry level sport kids and it is

likely that

these races would be a success because of participation by older racers.



2. More media coverage. Lately there has been some good coverage of bike

racing. The Gazette Times had Berry and Ryan on the front cover after

mudslinger

and Doug O. was featured in article on the cover of the sports page. Kids

and

parents are inspired when they read about these guys. The effort put into

the

successful campaign to see the Cyclocross Nats. in the media is an example

of energy well spent.



Mentoring is a good idea, but really we already have a lot of mentors

leading by

example. When I was young I imitated the people I thought were cool. I did

not do

what adults told me to do. In other words when I saw Darrel Young clear the

doubles at Riverside, or Tom Merrill bunny hop the hood of his Datsun 510,

I

knew bikes were cool and I wanted to ride one.



Tim M.

















As the parent of a Junior racer and faced with the expense of junior racing

I can assure you the problem nor the solution is funding. Obra posseses a

wealth of great people with plenty of spare equiptment, transportation and

most of all experience. A more effective solution would be to put out a

challenge to teams and individuals to establish mentor programs allowing

one

racer to work with one child. This may not be for everyone but if only

twenty OBRA racers became OBRA mentors this would bring twenty new junior

faces per season which would be night and day from what we see now. The key

to this plan is no budgetary obstacles the commitment of mentorship is a

commitment to provide equiptment(nominal cost for most racers)

transportation also nominal cost and training time. My point is the best

support is support not dependent on fundraising and budgets it is one that

draws its strength from participation. With schools in critical fiscal

situations and the country facing a multitude of social and economic

problems we must learn to be more prudent about selecting where we give

money and where we can be more effective givng our time.As a parent bicycle

racing pales in comparison as a concern or priority in my fiscal planning

when weighed against the condition of schools etc. As a mentor and

volunteer

with urban programs I can say there are defintly more pressing concerns

that

could use economic attention. So before we pass the plate in essence

passing

the buck lets see who out there in OBRA land would like to become an OBRA

mentor.





 From: John Benenate <jo-@kidsofbike.org>

Reply-To: jo-@kidsofbike.org

To: cmur-@obra.org, ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Junior Racing in Oregon.

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:50:26 -0700



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Candi,



You wrote about the Oregon State Championship Team Time Trial:



"Not one team of juniors, not in the whole state. Sigh what a sad state

of

 affairs."





Verily, my dearest Matrone, this is what time it is in American Cycling.



Junior racing is a such a fragile organism, that we must nurture it in

every

way we can, wherever it is growing, whenever it is weak.



We must create a central fiscal body, perhaps a foundation, that can

respond

to any, and every need, Oregon Junior Racing has.



I propose the organization of a foundation called the "Oregon Fund for

Junior Development in Cycling." I would serve and work hard on a

committee

 of interested parties who share this vision of creating such a

foundation.

 

Sincerely Yours,



--

John Benenate

Director Sportif

Cyclisme Racing Programs

b.i.k.e.

1532 SE Pine St

Portland, OR 97214

503-234-8454

jo-@kidsofbike.org



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Tim M.

2004-05-22



As I write this, the 9 year girls that live across the street are racing

mountian

bikes around my neighbors yard with a 5 year old boy on a BMX bike in tow.

This daily event in my neighborhood brings 2 things to mind.



1. With the near death of BMX racing, there really is no bike racing that is

easy

to get involved with. Short track mountain bike racing near major cities

would a be great way to get these kids racing. Many kids already have Mt.

Bikes and short track allows parents to watch the race more easily and

allows for varying distance.

Short track Mtb. racing would be a great entry level sport kids and it is

likely that

these races would be a success because of participation by older racers.



2. More media coverage. Lately there has been some good coverage of bike

racing. The Gazette Times had Berry and Ryan on the front cover after

mudslinger

and Doug O. was featured in article on the cover of the sports page. Kids

and

parents are inspired when they read about these guys. The effort put into

the

successful campaign to see the Cyclocross Nats. in the media is an example

of energy well spent.



Mentoring is a good idea, but really we already have a lot of mentors

leading by

example. When I was young I imitated the people I thought were cool. I did

not do

what adults told me to do. In other words when I saw Darrel Young clear the

doubles at Riverside, or Tom Merrill bunny hop the hood of his Datsun 510, I

knew bikes were cool and I wanted to ride one.



Tim M.

















As the parent of a Junior racer and faced with the expense of junior racing

I can assure you the problem nor the solution is funding. Obra posseses a

wealth of great people with plenty of spare equiptment, transportation and

most of all experience. A more effective solution would be to put out a

challenge to teams and individuals to establish mentor programs allowing one

racer to work with one child. This may not be for everyone but if only

twenty OBRA racers became OBRA mentors this would bring twenty new junior

faces per season which would be night and day from what we see now. The key

to this plan is no budgetary obstacles the commitment of mentorship is a

commitment to provide equiptment(nominal cost for most racers)

transportation also nominal cost and training time. My point is the best

support is support not dependent on fundraising and budgets it is one that

draws its strength from participation. With schools in critical fiscal

situations and the country facing a multitude of social and economic

problems we must learn to be more prudent about selecting where we give

money and where we can be more effective givng our time.As a parent bicycle

racing pales in comparison as a concern or priority in my fiscal planning

when weighed against the condition of schools etc. As a mentor and volunteer

with urban programs I can say there are defintly more pressing concerns that

could use economic attention. So before we pass the plate in essence passing

the buck lets see who out there in OBRA land would like to become an OBRA

mentor.





 From: John Benenate <jo-@kidsofbike.org>

Reply-To: jo-@kidsofbike.org

To: cmur-@obra.org, ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Junior Racing in Oregon.

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:50:26 -0700



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Candi,



You wrote about the Oregon State Championship Team Time Trial:



"Not one team of juniors, not in the whole state. Sigh what a sad state of

affairs."





Verily, my dearest Matrone, this is what time it is in American Cycling.



Junior racing is a such a fragile organism, that we must nurture it in

every

way we can, wherever it is growing, whenever it is weak.



We must create a central fiscal body, perhaps a foundation, that can

respond

to any, and every need, Oregon Junior Racing has.



I propose the organization of a foundation called the "Oregon Fund for

Junior Development in Cycling." I would serve and work hard on a committee

of interested parties who share this vision of creating such a foundation.



Sincerely Yours,



--

John Benenate

Director Sportif

Cyclisme Racing Programs

b.i.k.e.

1532 SE Pine St

Portland, OR 97214

503-234-8454

jo-@kidsofbike.org



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Luciano bailey

2004-05-22



As the parent of a Junior racer and faced with the expense of junior racing

I can assure you the problem nor the solution is funding. Obra posseses a

wealth of great people with plenty of spare equiptment, transportation and

most of all experience. A more effective solution would be to put out a

challenge to teams and individuals to establish mentor programs allowing one

racer to work with one child. This may not be for everyone but if only

twenty OBRA racers became OBRA mentors this would bring twenty new junior

faces per season which would be night and day from what we see now. The key

to this plan is no budgetary obstacles the commitment of mentorship is a

commitment to provide equiptment(nominal cost for most racers)

transportation also nominal cost and training time. My point is the best

support is support not dependent on fundraising and budgets it is one that

draws its strength from participation. With schools in critical fiscal

situations and the country facing a multitude of social and economic

problems we must learn to be more prudent about selecting where we give

money and where we can be more effective givng our time.As a parent bicycle

racing pales in comparison as a concern or priority in my fiscal planning

when weighed against the condition of schools etc. As a mentor and volunteer

with urban programs I can say there are defintly more pressing concerns that

could use economic attention. So before we pass the plate in essence passing

the buck lets see who out there in OBRA land would like to become an OBRA

mentor.





 From: John Benenate <jo-@kidsofbike.org>

Reply-To: jo-@kidsofbike.org

To: cmur-@obra.org, ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Junior Racing in Oregon.

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:50:26 -0700



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Candi,



You wrote about the Oregon State Championship Team Time Trial:



"Not one team of juniors, not in the whole state. Sigh what a sad state of

affairs."





Verily, my dearest Matrone, this is what time it is in American Cycling.



Junior racing is a such a fragile organism, that we must nurture it in

every

way we can, wherever it is growing, whenever it is weak.



We must create a central fiscal body, perhaps a foundation, that can

respond

to any, and every need, Oregon Junior Racing has.



I propose the organization of a foundation called the "Oregon Fund for

Junior Development in Cycling." I would serve and work hard on a committee

of interested parties who share this vision of creating such a foundation.



Sincerely Yours,



--

John Benenate

Director Sportif

Cyclisme Racing Programs

b.i.k.e.

1532 SE Pine St

Portland, OR 97214

503-234-8454

jo-@kidsofbike.org



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John Benenate

2004-05-22



Candi,



You wrote about the Oregon State Championship Team Time Trial:



"Not one team of juniors, not in the whole state. Sigh what a sad state of

affairs."





Verily, my dearest Matrone, this is what time it is in American Cycling.



Junior racing is a such a fragile organism, that we must nurture it in every

way we can, wherever it is growing, whenever it is weak.



We must create a central fiscal body, perhaps a foundation, that can respond

to any, and every need, Oregon Junior Racing has.



I propose the organization of a foundation called the "Oregon Fund for

Junior Development in Cycling." I would serve and work hard on a committee

of interested parties who share this vision of creating such a foundation.



Sincerely Yours,



--

John Benenate

Director Sportif

Cyclisme Racing Programs

b.i.k.e.

1532 SE Pine St

Portland, OR 97214

503-234-8454

jo-@kidsofbike.org