Mike Murray
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There are very specific rules on the road. Actually far more specific than
the MTB rules. They are listed at http://www.obra.org/upgrade_rules.html.
It should be noted that in order for results to count they have to have been
obtained in qualifying races. Only road races and criteriums count. Time
trials and handicaps do not. The races have to meet the minimum distance (or
time) and field size listed for that upgrade. Since there is no reasonable
system for collecting information on all results of all possible riders,
upgrades usually happen at the request of the rider. Occasionally a riders
results will be notable enough that they will be upgraded without requesting
it themselves. Actually in tabulating the BAR this information is generally
caught. If anyone has information about a rider who has results that should
merit an upgrade but who has not upgraded that information should be
forwarded to Candi Murray at cmur-@obra.org and she will evaluate.
On a related topic, there has recently been a problem with people obtaining
OBRA membership and selecting a category other than Cat 5 for men or Cat 4
for women despite the fact that they have yet to meet the upgrade criteria
or, for that matter, even compete in a road event. In theory a person needs
to present info supporting their category, like a USCF, ACA, ABR or CBR
membership. In practice people are slipping through, probably when
purchasing the membership at a race. This is not how the system works. You
don't get to self select category.
Mike Murray
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Upgrade Question
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***********************************************************As I understand
for MTB, the upgrade rule is two 1rst place finishes or three Top 3's is an
automatic upgrade (per Kevin Thompson).
Are there any rules for the road? Should someone with five 1rst place
finishes along with an additional three top 3 finishes still be able to race
cat 4? With these results it seems there are no rules, and if so, they are
inadequate or not being followed.
Is this sandbagging?
Thanks for the clarification.
Rich
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<DIV><SPAN class=285505001-27052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There
are very specific rules on the road. Actually far more specific than the
MTB rules. They are listed at <A
href="http://www.obra.org/upgrade_rules.html">http://www.obra.org/upgrade_rules.html</A>.
It should be noted that in order for results to count they have to have been
obtained in qualifying races. Only road races and criteriums count.
Time trials and handicaps do not. The races have to meet the minimum distance
(or time) and field size listed for that upgrade. Since there is no
reasonable system for collecting information on all results of all possible
riders, upgrades usually happen at the request of the rider. Occasionally
a riders results will be notable enough that they will be upgraded without
requesting it themselves. Actually in tabulating the BAR this information
is generally caught. If anyone has information about a rider who has
results that should merit an upgrade but who has not upgraded that information
should be forwarded to Candi Murray at <A
href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A> and she will
evaluate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=285505001-27052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=285505001-27052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On a
related topic, there has recently been a problem with people obtaining OBRA
membership and selecting a category other than Cat 5 for men or Cat 4 for women
despite the fact that they have yet to meet the upgrade criteria or, for that
matter, even compete in a road event. In theory a person needs to present
info supporting their category, like a USCF, ACA, ABR or CBR membership. In
practice people are slipping through, probably when purchasing the membership at
a race. This is not how the system works. You don't get to self
select category. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Mike Murray </FONT></P>
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PTSIZE="10">As I understand for MTB, the upgrade rule is two 1rst place
finishes or three Top 3's is an automatic upgrade (per Kevin
Thompson).<BR><BR>Are there any rules for the road? Should someone with
five 1rst place finishes along with an additional three top 3 finishes still
be able to race cat 4? With these results it seems there are no rules,
and if so, they are inadequate or not being followed. <BR><BR>Is this
sandbagging?<BR><BR>Thanks for the clarification.<BR><BR>Rich</FONT><PRE>===========================================================
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