question about 650c wheels in TTs

Dan H.

2004-06-12



Feel free to try to ride one.

http://bicyclerepairman.us/ordinary.jpg

Did. The one in the pic is a 54". it was about 100 years old, weighed about

70 lbs. and I rode it around Sauvies Island one time. There is a little peg

above the rear wheel for your left foot. Push up to as much speed as you

can get with your right foot, vault into the saddle, find the pedals and

start pedaling for your life. Keep in mind each pedal stroke must be

counter acted upon with your upper body or it will turn. [you don't see any

scrawny looking Wheelmen in those old photos] Going 15 mph. on one of these

feels like 50. If you went down a hill, you would die. If you tried to

ride one around Mount Tabor, you would die. Iv'e seen movies of ordinaries

being raced on board tracks. If you tried to ride one on Alpenrose, you

would die.

Wheelmen of the 1800s were tough!

Don't nobody say anything about helmets. Say anything you want about my

knickers.



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This is correct. There is nothing in the OBRA rules which would prohibit

use of an "ordinary" as opposed to a "safety" design bicycle, other than the

requirement for a freewheel, which the ordinarys don't usually have. For

fixed gear events they would qualify but they would still need to have a

brake on the front wheel, in addition to having the front wheel controlled

by the fixed. Of course some ordinary designs had a small wheel in the

front rather than the rear in which case that would need to be controlled

with a brake.



Since on an ordinary the size of a gear is limited by the length of your

legs they are limited to gears less than 50 inches or so, unless the rider

is exceptionally tall. Feel free to try to ride one.



Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Mark J. Ginsberg [mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 13:38 PM

To: mike.m-@obra.org; dar-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] question about 650c wheels in TTs





so then I CAN race my penny farthing on saturday at Mt. Tabor so long as I

can get a front brake on it!



well, the pedals control the front wheel, so is that good enough to be a

brake?



and FWIW there are also State legal requirements for bicycles that on riden

on public streets . . .



Mark Ginsberg

and NO I am not racing tomorrow, and NO I do not own a penny farthing





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650c wheels are legal for any type of road or track events. For UCI event

both wheels need to be the same size. This is not currently true for USCF

but will be in a few years. OBRA does not lock step accept stupid rules

from either USCF or UCI. Currently OBRA does not have any rule regarding

wheel size.



Mike Murray



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Hi all,



I have heard different things about this question: are 650c wheels legal

in individual and group time trials? The USA cycling handbook seems to

suggest that anything goes for wheel diameter, but I also seem to

remember someone saying that 650c wheels are illegal, at least for road

racing. Does OBRA adopt the same policy as USCF race in this regard?



Thanks for any information,



Derek



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This is correct. There is nothing in the OBRA rules which would prohibit

use of an "ordinary" as opposed to a "safety" design bicycle, other than the

requirement for a freewheel, which the ordinarys don't usually have. For

fixed gear events they would qualify but they would still need to have a

brake on the front wheel, in addition to having the front wheel controlled

by the fixed. Of course some ordinary designs had a small wheel in the

front rather than the rear in which case that would need to be controlled

with a brake.



Since on an ordinary the size of a gear is limited by the length of your

legs they are limited to gears less than 50 inches or so, unless the rider

is exceptionally tall. Feel free to try to ride one.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: Mark J. Ginsberg [mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 13:38 PM

To: mike.m-@obra.org; dar-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] question about 650c wheels in TTs





so then I CAN race my penny farthing on saturday at Mt. Tabor so long as I

can get a front brake on it!



well, the pedals control the front wheel, so is that good enough to be a

brake?



and FWIW there are also State legal requirements for bicycles that on

riden on public streets . . .



Mark Ginsberg

and NO I am not racing tomorrow, and NO I do not own a penny farthing





Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org> wrote:

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    Let University of Phoenix make 2004 your year. Evening,

    weekend or FlexNet. classes over 130 locations. Look

    into our programs and get the degree that gets you going!

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    650c wheels are legal for any type of road or track events. For UCI

event

    both wheels need to be the same size. This is not currently true for

USCF

    but will be in a few years. OBRA does not lock step accept stupid rules

    from either USCF or UCI. Currently OBRA does not have any rule regarding

    wheel size.



    Mike Murray



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    From: Derek Darves [mailto:dar-@yahoo.com]

    Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 07:48 AM

    To: ob-@topica.com

    Subject: [OBRA Chat] question about 650c wheels in TTs





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    Hi all,



    I have heard different things about this question: are 650c wheels legal

    in individual and group time trials? The USA cycling handbook seems to

    suggest that anything goes for wheel diameter, but I also seem to

    remember someone saying that 650c wheels are illegal, at least for road

    racing. Does OBRA adopt the same policy as USCF race in this regard?



    Thanks for any information,



    Derek



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is correct.  There is nothing in the OBRA rules which would prohibit use of

an "ordinary" as opposed to a "safety" design bicycle, other than the

requirement for a freewheel, which the ordinarys don't usually have.  For

fixed gear events they would qualify but they would still need to have a brake

on the front wheel, in addition to having the front wheel controlled by the

fixed.  Of course some ordinary designs had a small wheel in the front

rather than the rear in which case that would need to be controlled with a

brake.  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=900173217-11062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=900173217-11062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Since

on an ordinary the size of a gear is limited by the length of your legs they are

limited to gears less than 50 inches or so, unless the rider is exceptionally

tall.  Feel free to try to ride one.  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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<P><FONT size=2>Mike Murray </FONT></P>

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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Mark J. Ginsberg

[mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 10, 2004 13:38

PM<BR><B>To:</B> mike.m-@obra.org; dar-@yahoo.com;

ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] question about 650c wheels

in TTs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV>so then I CAN race my penny farthing on saturday at Mt. Tabor so long as

I can get a front brake on it!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>well, the pedals control the front wheel, so is that good enough to be a

brake?</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>and FWIW there are also State legal requirements for bicycles that on

riden on public streets . . . </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Mark Ginsberg</DIV>

<DIV>and NO I am not racing tomorrow, and NO I do not own a penny

farthing</DIV>

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    going!<BR>http://click.topica.com/caaciq1aVxiDpa2k2qEa/UOP<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>650c

    wheels are legal for any type of road or track events. For UCI event<BR>both

    wheels need to be the same size. This is not currently true for USCF<BR>but

    will be in a few years. OBRA does not lock step accept stupid rules<BR>from

    either USCF or UCI. Currently OBRA does not have any rule regarding<BR>wheel

    size.<BR><BR>Mike Murray<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Derek

    Darves [mailto:dar-@yahoo.com]<BR>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 07:48

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    wheels legal<BR>in individual and group time trials? The USA cycling

    handbook seems to<BR>suggest that anything goes for wheel diameter, but I

    also seem to<BR>remember someone saying that 650c wheels are illegal, at

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so then I CAN race my penny farthing on saturday at Mt. Tabor so long as I can get a front brake on it!



well, the pedals control the front wheel, so is that good enough to be a brake?



and FWIW there are also State legal requirements for bicycles that on riden on public streets . . .



Mark Ginsberg

and NO I am not racing tomorrow, and NO I do not own a penny farthing





Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org> wrote:

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650c wheels are legal for any type of road or track events. For UCI event

both wheels need to be the same size. This is not currently true for USCF

but will be in a few years. OBRA does not lock step accept stupid rules

from either USCF or UCI. Currently OBRA does not have any rule regarding

wheel size.



Mike Murray



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Hi all,



I have heard different things about this question: are 650c wheels legal

in individual and group time trials? The USA cycling handbook seems to

suggest that anything goes for wheel diameter, but I also seem to

remember someone saying that 650c wheels are illegal, at least for road

racing. Does OBRA adopt the same policy as USCF race in this regard?



Thanks for any information,



Derek



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<DIV>so then I CAN race my penny farthing on saturday at Mt. Tabor so long as I can get a front brake on it!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>well, the pedals control the front wheel, so is that good enough to be a brake?</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>and FWIW there are also State legal requirements for bicycles that on riden on public streets . . . </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Mark Ginsberg</DIV>

<DIV>and NO I am not racing tomorrow, and NO I do not own a penny farthing</DIV>

<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

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The only way that OBRA rules would parallel USCF is if such a rule change

was submitted and approval voted. I think my posts have adequately shown my

opinion on this rule. Others may disagree and should feel free to propose

such a rule change.



Mike Murray



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 i think the policy is that both wheels have to be the same size.

so no 1980/1990's TT bike with a 650 front wheel and 700 back wheel.



I've read that this (USCF) rule won't go into effect until 2007, giving

America time to conform with current international rules. For us in Oregon,

a lot of OBRA rules parallel those of USCF, so the question is will this

wheel size rule also follow suit?



David

(I sometimes time trial with 24" front/700c rear wheels, and I believe it's

currently legal with both USCF and OBRA.)



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650c wheels are legal for any type of road or track events. For UCI event

both wheels need to be the same size. This is not currently true for USCF

but will be in a few years. OBRA does not lock step accept stupid rules

from either USCF or UCI. Currently OBRA does not have any rule regarding

wheel size.



Mike Murray



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Hi all,



I have heard different things about this question: are 650c wheels legal

in individual and group time trials? The USA cycling handbook seems to

suggest that anything goes for wheel diameter, but I also seem to

remember someone saying that 650c wheels are illegal, at least for road

racing. Does OBRA adopt the same policy as USCF race in this regard?



Thanks for any information,



Derek



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Mike Murray

2004-06-10



dan davis [mailto:da-@preciseflight.com] wrote:

"i think the policy is that both wheels have to be the same size. so no

1980/1990's TT bike with a 650 front wheel and 700 back wheel."



Only true for UCI events currently. Will be true in a few years for USCF.

Not likely to EVER be true for OBRA.



Mike Murray



Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

2004-06-10





The rules are on the web site. Here is what it says





"9.3 - Equipment

9.3.1 BICYCLES

9.3.1.1 Bicycles must be propelled by the rider's legs only. No stored

propulsion mechanism is allowed.

9.3.1.2 Bicycles must be no more than 2 meters long and 75 cm wide. Tandems

may be up to 3 meters long.

9.3.1.3 Nothing may be added to the basic bicycle to reduce air resistance.

EXCEPTION: spoke covers may be used.

9.3.1.4 Fully enclosed or disc front wheels or spoke covers on front wheels

are not allowed in mass start events.

9.3.1.5 The handlebars and stem will not present a danger. Handlebars that

allow for support of the forearms may not be used in mass start events.

Handlebar ends and extensions shall be plugged and must not have sharp or

jagged ends. "





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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:48 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] question about 650c wheels in TTs





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Hi all,



I have heard different things about this question: are 650c wheels legal

in individual and group time trials? The USA cycling handbook seems to

suggest that anything goes for wheel diameter, but I also seem to

remember someone saying that 650c wheels are illegal, at least for road

racing. Does OBRA adopt the same policy as USCF race in this regard?



Thanks for any information,



Derek



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.David.Auker.

2004-06-10



 i think the policy is that both wheels have to be the same size.

so no 1980/1990's TT bike with a 650 front wheel and 700 back wheel.



I've read that this (USCF) rule won't go into effect until 2007, giving

America time to conform with current international rules. For us in Oregon,

a lot of OBRA rules parallel those of USCF, so the question is will this

wheel size rule also follow suit?



David

(I sometimes time trial with 24" front/700c rear wheels, and I believe it's

currently legal with both USCF and OBRA.)



dan davis

2004-06-10





Derek Darves wrote:

 

Hi all,



I have heard different things about this question: are 650c wheels legal



in individual and group time trials? The USA cycling handbook seems to

suggest that anything goes for wheel diameter, but I also seem to

remember someone saying that 650c wheels are illegal, at least for road

racing. Does OBRA adopt the same policy as USCF race in this regard?



Thanks for any information,



Derek







hey Derek

i think the policy is that both wheels have to be the same size.

so no 1980/1990's TT bike with a 650 front wheel and 700 back wheel.

dan...



Derek Darves

2004-06-10



Hi all,



I have heard different things about this question: are 650c wheels legal

in individual and group time trials? The USA cycling handbook seems to

suggest that anything goes for wheel diameter, but I also seem to

remember someone saying that 650c wheels are illegal, at least for road

racing. Does OBRA adopt the same policy as USCF race in this regard?



Thanks for any information,



Derek