Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

MARTEL,MATT (HP-Corvallis,ex1)

2004-06-10



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Well, now we have that cleared up! Too funny!



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Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:10 PM

To: cmur-@obra.org; mike.m-@obra.org

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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ





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Cow's don't have horns. Bulls have horns. Thus they are "Bull horn" bars.



Much like women don't have balls. Women certainly have the nerve to try

things that men would consider "ballsy." But to say a woman has the balls to

do something is inaccurate. Candi might have the fortitude to race the fixed

gear event, but she still has no balls.







 From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

To: mike.m-@obra.org

CC: Clark Ritchie <clarkr-@yahoo.com>, obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:24:08 -0700



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We made a special exception for the fixed for the cowhorns. Done with the

organizer, the chief official and the OBRA Administrator ;-)

Candi







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From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:17 PM

To: clarkr-@yahoo.com; OBRA

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ





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Clark Ritchie [mailto:clarkr-@yahoo.com] wrote:



"Q. Can I use my track bike?

A. Your bike must have at least one working brake.



Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn handlebars?

A. Yes. You can use a bike affixed with drop

handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser bars,

moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars, such as

the Dove or Albatross. The only type of bar that

might give OBRA reason to be concerned would be aero

bars, which aren't permitted in mass start events."



This info was not actually correct. The applicable rule is:



"9.8.2 Bicycles shall have a freewheel mechanism EXCEPTION: A fixed gear

and

 single front brake may be used in time trial events or in races where all

the competitors are similarly equipped. Freewheeled and fixed gear bikes

shall not be mixed in the same mass start event.

9.8.3 Handlebar ends that point up or forward or that allow for support of

the forearm are not allowed in mass start events."



In other words, if your bike only has one brake it must be on the front.

Cowhorn or other bars that point forward are not permitted.



Mike Murray



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<DIV><SPAN class=842581621-10062004><FONT color=#0000ff>Well, now we have that

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<P>Cow's don't have horns. Bulls have horns. Thus they are "Bull horn" bars.

</P>

<P>Much like women don't have balls. Women certainly have the nerve to try

things that men would consider "ballsy." But to say a woman has the balls to do

something is inaccurate. Candi might have the fortitude to race the fixed gear

event, but she still has no balls.<BR><BR></P></DIV>

<DIV></DIV>>From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

<cmur-@obra.org>

<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

<DIV></DIV>>To: mike.m-@obra.org

<DIV></DIV>>CC: Clark Ritchie <clarkr-@yahoo.com>, obra

<ob-@topica.com>

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:24:08 -0700

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<DIV></DIV>>We made a special exception for the fixed for the

cowhorns.  Done with the

<DIV></DIV>>organizer, the chief official and the OBRA Administrator ;-)

<DIV></DIV>>Candi

<DIV></DIV>>

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<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----

<DIV></DIV>>From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:17 PM

<DIV></DIV>>To: clarkr-@yahoo.com; OBRA

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

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<DIV></DIV>>Clark Ritchie [mailto:clarkr-@yahoo.com] wrote:

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>"Q. Can I use my track bike?

<DIV></DIV>>A. Your bike must have at least one working brake.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn handlebars?

<DIV></DIV>>A. Yes.  You can use a bike affixed with drop

<DIV></DIV>>handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser bars,

<DIV></DIV>>moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars, such as

<DIV></DIV>>the Dove or Albatross.  The only type of bar that

<DIV></DIV>>might give OBRA reason to be concerned would be aero

<DIV></DIV>>bars, which aren't permitted in mass start events."

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>This info was not actually correct.  The applicable

rule is:

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>"9.8.2 Bicycles shall have a freewheel mechanism EXCEPTION: A

fixed gear and

<DIV></DIV>>single front brake may be used in time trial events or in races

where all

<DIV></DIV>>the competitors are similarly equipped. Freewheeled and fixed

gear bikes

<DIV></DIV>>shall not be mixed in the same mass start event.

<DIV></DIV>>9.8.3 Handlebar ends that point up or forward or that allow for

support of

<DIV></DIV>>the forearm are not allowed in mass start events."

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>In other words, if your bike only has one brake it must be on the

front.

<DIV></DIV>>Cowhorn or other bars that point forward are not permitted.

<DIV></DIV>>

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<P>Cow's don't have horns. Bulls have horns. Thus they are "Bull horn" bars. </P>

<P>Much like women don't have balls. Women certainly have the nerve to try things that men would consider "ballsy." But to say a woman has the balls to do something is inaccurate. Candi might have the fortitude to race the fixed gear event, but she still has no balls.<BR><BR></P></DIV>

<DIV></DIV>>From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

<DIV></DIV>>To: mike.m-@obra.org

<DIV></DIV>>CC: Clark Ritchie <clarkr-@yahoo.com>, obra <ob-@topica.com>

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:24:08 -0700

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<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>We made a special exception for the fixed for the cowhorns.  Done with the

<DIV></DIV>>organizer, the chief official and the OBRA Administrator ;-)

<DIV></DIV>>Candi

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----

<DIV></DIV>>From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:17 PM

<DIV></DIV>>To: clarkr-@yahoo.com; OBRA

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

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<DIV></DIV>>Clark Ritchie [mailto:clarkr-@yahoo.com] wrote:

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>"Q. Can I use my track bike?

<DIV></DIV>>A. Your bike must have at least one working brake.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn handlebars?

<DIV></DIV>>A. Yes.  You can use a bike affixed with drop

<DIV></DIV>>handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser bars,

<DIV></DIV>>moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars, such as

<DIV></DIV>>the Dove or Albatross.  The only type of bar that

<DIV></DIV>>might give OBRA reason to be concerned would be aero

<DIV></DIV>>bars, which aren't permitted in mass start events."

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>This info was not actually correct.  The applicable rule is:

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>"9.8.2 Bicycles shall have a freewheel mechanism EXCEPTION: A fixed gear and

<DIV></DIV>>single front brake may be used in time trial events or in races where all

<DIV></DIV>>the competitors are similarly equipped. Freewheeled and fixed gear bikes

<DIV></DIV>>shall not be mixed in the same mass start event.

<DIV></DIV>>9.8.3 Handlebar ends that point up or forward or that allow for support of

<DIV></DIV>>the forearm are not allowed in mass start events."

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>In other words, if your bike only has one brake it must be on the front.

<DIV></DIV>>Cowhorn or other bars that point forward are not permitted.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Mike Murray

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We made a special exception for the fixed for the cowhorns. Done with the

organizer, the chief official and the OBRA Administrator ;-)

Candi







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Clark Ritchie [mailto:clarkr-@yahoo.com] wrote:



"Q. Can I use my track bike?

A. Your bike must have at least one working brake.



Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn handlebars?

A. Yes. You can use a bike affixed with drop

handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser bars,

moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars, such as

the Dove or Albatross. The only type of bar that

might give OBRA reason to be concerned would be aero

bars, which aren't permitted in mass start events."



This info was not actually correct. The applicable rule is:



"9.8.2 Bicycles shall have a freewheel mechanism EXCEPTION: A fixed gear and

single front brake may be used in time trial events or in races where all

the competitors are similarly equipped. Freewheeled and fixed gear bikes

shall not be mixed in the same mass start event.

9.8.3 Handlebar ends that point up or forward or that allow for support of

the forearm are not allowed in mass start events."



In other words, if your bike only has one brake it must be on the front.

Cowhorn or other bars that point forward are not permitted.



Mike Murray



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2004-06-10



Clark Ritchie [mailto:clarkr-@yahoo.com] wrote:



"Q. Can I use my track bike?

A. Your bike must have at least one working brake.



Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn handlebars?

A. Yes. You can use a bike affixed with drop

handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser bars,

moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars, such as

the Dove or Albatross. The only type of bar that

might give OBRA reason to be concerned would be aero

bars, which aren't permitted in mass start events."



This info was not actually correct. The applicable rule is:



"9.8.2 Bicycles shall have a freewheel mechanism EXCEPTION: A fixed gear and

single front brake may be used in time trial events or in races where all

the competitors are similarly equipped. Freewheeled and fixed gear bikes

shall not be mixed in the same mass start event.

9.8.3 Handlebar ends that point up or forward or that allow for support of

the forearm are not allowed in mass start events."



In other words, if your bike only has one brake it must be on the front.

Cowhorn or other bars that point forward are not permitted.



Mike Murray

Clark Ritchie

2004-06-10



Greetings OBRA,



A few questions came up yesterday regarding the fixed

gear category at Mt Tabor Series.



Here's my attempt to answer some of them.



Q. Is the fixed gear race really free?

Y. Yes, if you enter a geared category the fixed gear

category is free. Otherwise it's $7.



Q. Can I use my track bike?

A. Your bike must have at least one working brake.



Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn handlebars?

A. Yes. You can use a bike affixed with drop

handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser bars,

moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars, such as

the Dove or Albatross. The only type of bar that

might give OBRA reason to be concerned would be aero

bars, which aren't permitted in mass start events.



Q. Is there a gear restriction?

A. No.



Q. What gear should I use?

A. That's up to you! The real question is: mash or

spin?



Q. Why only 3 laps?

A. In my humble opinion, three is plenty. Especially

for the gravity challenged. Besides, what do you

expect for a free race with a $50 nightly cash payout?

For the truly deranged, there is a longer fixed gear

race at the Rose Festival Mt Tabor race this coming

Saturday.



Q. Can I get a discount on the fixed gear race if I

bring 2 cans of food?

A. You can race the fixed gear category for a mere $5

if you bring 2 cans of food. It's still free if you

enter a geared race, you don't get another $2 off.



Q. Is it true that Candi is thinking about racing

this?

A. This is unknown but I'm more than happy to foster

the rumor. I am sure a little peer pressure will get

her out there. Let's all chant: Candi! Candi!

Candi! [repeat]



...CDR



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Clark Ritchie

2004 Mt Tabor Series - June 9 to July 14



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