Back on Topic - Mt Tabor Series Fixed

Roger Joys

2004-06-11



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Augusto,



Give the race a shot, I think you?ll be spinning more than you like with

a 42/19. That?s around 59-60 gear inches. I?m fearful my 67 will be too

small on the downhills tomorrow.



Anyhow, it?s all about fun and learning.



-r



-----Original Message-----

From: Augusto C.D. Carneiro [mailto:acar-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:45 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Back on Topic - Mt Tabor Series Fixed



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I'm thinking of racing the fixed gear race tomorrow, my fixed gear bike

has a 42t chainring in the front and 19t in the back. It feels like it

may be too small of a gear to race on Tabor. What sort of gears are

people using up there? Is my present gearing way off (ie, should i not

even bother)or does it seem like it might work ok, even if its in the

more spinny side.

Thanks in advance for your feedback

Augusto

 From: Roger Joys <roger-@speakeasy.net>

Reply-To: roger-@speakeasy.net

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Off Toppic Now: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:42:16 +0000



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Too funny a post!



Cows and Bulls can both have horns. In fact it is having horns is a

recessive gene, not dominant, so for a calf to have horns, both parents

must have horns. Yeah, I knew growing up in a state with more cows than

people would someday pay off!

 

Now as for women having balls...Remember "The Crying Game"? :)

-----Original Message-----

From: JM Newman [mailto:newm-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 09:09 PM

To: cmur-@obra.org, mike.m-@obra.org

Cc: clarkr-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ



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------------------------------------------------Cow's don't have horns.

Bulls have horns. Thus they are "Bull horn" bars.

 Much like women don't have balls. Women certainly have the nerve to try

things that men would consider "ballsy." But to say a woman has the

balls to do something is inaccurate. Candi might have the fortitude to

race the fixed gear event, but she still has no balls.

 







 From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

To: mike.m-@obra.org

CC: Clark Ritchie <clarkr-@yahoo.com>, obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:24:08 -0700



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We made a special exception for the fixed for the cowhorns. Done with

the

  organizer, the chief official and the OBRA Administrator ;-)

Candi







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From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:17 PM

To: clarkr-@yahoo.com; OBRA

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ





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Clark Ritchie [mailto:clarkr-@yahoo.com] wrote:



"Q. Can I use my track bike?

A. Your bike must have at least one working brake.



Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn handlebars?

A. Yes. You can use a bike affixed with drop

handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser bars,

moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars, such as

the Dove or Albatross. The only type of bar that

might give OBRA reason to be concerned would be aero

bars, which aren't permitted in mass start events."



This info was not actually correct. The applicable rule is:



"9.8.2 Bicycles shall have a freewheel mechanism EXCEPTION: A fixed

gear and

  single front brake may be used in time trial events or in races where

all

  the competitors are similarly equipped. Freewheeled and fixed gear

bikes

  shall not be mixed in the same mass start event.

9.8.3 Handlebar ends that point up or forward or that allow for

support of

  the forearm are not allowed in mass start events."



In other words, if your bike only has one brake it must be on the

front.

  Cowhorn or other bars that point forward are not permitted.



Mike Murray



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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Give the race a shot, I think you’ll

be spinning more than you like with a 42/19. That’s around 59-60 gear

inches. I’m fearful my 67 will be too small on the downhills tomorrow. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyhow, it’s all about fun and

learning.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>



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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Augusto C.D. Carneiro

[mailto:acar-@hotmail.com] <br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 11, 2004 5:45

PM<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ob-@topica.com<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [OBRA Chat] Back on Topic

- Mt Tabor Series Fixed</span></font></p>



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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm thinking of racing the fixed gear race

tomorrow, my fixed gear bike has a 42t chainring in the front and 19t

in the back.  It feels like it may be too small of a gear to race on

Tabor. What sort of gears are people using up there? Is my present gearing way

off (ie, should i not even bother)or does it seem like it might work ok, even

if its in the more spinny side.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks in advance for your feedback <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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12.0pt'>Augusto<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>From: Roger Joys <roger-@speakeasy.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Reply-To: roger-@speakeasy.net <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>To: ob-@topica.com <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Subject: Off Toppic Now:  [OBRA Chat] Mt

Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:42:16 +0000 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Cows and Bulls can both have horns. In fact it is

having horns is a recessive gene, not dominant, so for a calf to have horns,

both parents must have horns. Yeah, I knew growing up in a state with more cows

than people would someday pay off! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Now as for women having balls...Remember "The

Crying Game"? :) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>-----Original Message----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>From: JM Newman [mailto:newm-@hotmail.com] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 09:09 PM <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>To: cmur-@obra.org, mike.m-@obra.org <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed

Gear FAQ <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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don't have horns. Bulls have horns. Thus they are "Bull horn" bars. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Much like women don't have balls. Women certainly

have the nerve to try things that men would consider "ballsy." But to

say a woman has the balls to do something is inaccurate. Candi might have the

fortitude to race the fixed gear event, but she still has no balls. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

<cmur-@obra.org> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >To: mike.m-@obra.org <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >CC: Clark Ritchie <clarkr-@yahoo.com>,

obra <ob-@topica.com> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series

Fixed Gear FAQ <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:24:08 -0700 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >We made a special exception for the fixed for

the cowhorns. Done with the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >organizer, the chief official and the OBRA

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >-----Original Message----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >From: Mike Murray

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:17 PM <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >To: clarkr-@yahoo.com; OBRA <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >A. Your bike must have at least one working

brake. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn

handlebars? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >A. Yes. You can use a bike affixed with drop <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser

bars, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars,

such as <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >the Dove or Albatross. The only type of bar

that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >might give OBRA reason to be concerned would

be aero <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >bars, which aren't permitted in mass start

events." <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >This info was not actually correct. The

applicable rule is: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



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style='font-size:12.0pt'>> > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

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mechanism EXCEPTION: A fixed gear and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >single front brake may be used in time trial

events or in races where all <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >the competitors are similarly equipped.

Freewheeled and fixed gear bikes <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >shall not be mixed in the same mass start

event. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >9.8.3 Handlebar ends that point up or forward

or that allow for support of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >the forearm are not allowed in mass start

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >In other words, if your bike only has one

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>> >Cowhorn or other bars that point forward are

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Augusto C.D. Carneiro

2004-06-11



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<P>I'm thinking of racing the fixed gear race tomorrow, my fixed gear bike has a 42t chainring in the front and 19t in the back.  It feels like it may be too small of a gear to race on Tabor. What sort of gears are people using up there? Is my present gearing way off (ie, should i not even bother)or does it seem like it might work ok, even if its in the more spinny side.</P>

<P>Thanks in advance for your feedback </P>

<P>Augusto<BR><BR></P></DIV>

<DIV></DIV>>From: Roger Joys <roger-@speakeasy.net>

<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: roger-@speakeasy.net

<DIV></DIV>>To: ob-@topica.com

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Off Toppic Now:  [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

<DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:42:16 +0000

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<DIV></DIV>>Too funny a post!

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<DIV></DIV>>Cows and Bulls can both have horns. In fact it is having horns is a recessive gene, not dominant, so for a calf to have horns, both parents must have horns. Yeah, I knew growing up in a state with more cows than people would someday pay off!

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<DIV></DIV>>Now as for women having balls...Remember "The Crying Game"? :)

<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----

<DIV></DIV>>From: JM Newman [mailto:newm-@hotmail.com]

<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 09:09 PM

<DIV></DIV>>To: cmur-@obra.org, mike.m-@obra.org

<DIV></DIV>>Cc: clarkr-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

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<DIV></DIV>>Much like women don't have balls. Women certainly have the nerve to try things that men would consider "ballsy." But to say a woman has the balls to do something is inaccurate. Candi might have the fortitude to race the fixed gear event, but she still has no balls.

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<DIV></DIV>> >From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

<DIV></DIV>> >Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

<DIV></DIV>> >To: mike.m-@obra.org

<DIV></DIV>> >CC: Clark Ritchie <clarkr-@yahoo.com>, obra <ob-@topica.com>

<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

<DIV></DIV>> >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:24:08 -0700

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<DIV></DIV>> >We made a special exception for the fixed for the cowhorns. Done with the

<DIV></DIV>> >organizer, the chief official and the OBRA Administrator ;-)

<DIV></DIV>> >Candi

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<DIV></DIV>> >

<DIV></DIV>> >-----Original Message-----

<DIV></DIV>> >From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

<DIV></DIV>> >Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:17 PM

<DIV></DIV>> >To: clarkr-@yahoo.com; OBRA

<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mt Tabor Series Fixed Gear FAQ

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<DIV></DIV>> >Clark Ritchie [mailto:clarkr-@yahoo.com] wrote:

<DIV></DIV>> >

<DIV></DIV>> >"Q. Can I use my track bike?

<DIV></DIV>> >A. Your bike must have at least one working brake.

<DIV></DIV>> >

<DIV></DIV>> >Q. Can I use a bike that has cowhorn handlebars?

<DIV></DIV>> >A. Yes. You can use a bike affixed with drop

<DIV></DIV>> >handlebars, a flat bar, cowhorn bars, riser bars,

<DIV></DIV>> >moustache bars, or even upright-curved bars, such as

<DIV></DIV>> >the Dove or Albatross. The only type of bar that

<DIV></DIV>> >might give OBRA reason to be concerned would be aero

<DIV></DIV>> >bars, which aren't permitted in mass start events."

<DIV></DIV>> >

<DIV></DIV>> >This info was not actually correct. The applicable rule is:

<DIV></DIV>> >

<DIV></DIV>> >"9.8.2 Bicycles shall have a freewheel mechanism EXCEPTION: A fixed gear and

<DIV></DIV>> >single front brake may be used in time trial events or in races where all

<DIV></DIV>> >the competitors are similarly equipped. Freewheeled and fixed gear bikes

<DIV></DIV>> >shall not be mixed in the same mass start event.

<DIV></DIV>> >9.8.3 Handlebar ends that point up or forward or that allow for support of

<DIV></DIV>> >the forearm are not allowed in mass start events."

<DIV></DIV>> >

<DIV></DIV>> >In other words, if your bike only has one brake it must be on the front.

<DIV></DIV>> >Cowhorn or other bars that point forward are not permitted.

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<DIV></DIV>> >Mike Murray

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