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I agree that riders rolling around after the race need to keep the rules of the road in mind as well as a bit of common sense. I do, however, respectfully disagree on the assertion that centerline violations during races aren't a problem. This year's Columbia Plateau didn't have the usual hard-ass officiating (Paul Schwyhart, for example) keeping the 1/2 race under control, and the centerline crossings on Stage 3 numbered in the hundreds. It was bad enough that many riders - myself included - wanted a return of the strict officiating that has been such a sore spot with some racers in the past. This race is not the only one in which I've seen the centerline crossed.
It's simple: if we want to continue to do this sport that is a fun and healthy way of life for many of us, we need to buckle down and truly follow the rules. The centerline rule is not a guideline, it is a rule.
John
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Since Brian won't harp, I will.
I might know where at least one or two such complaints came from.
While I was posting as an EMT at the finish line, A masters rider that had
finished his race was rolling around the area and actually rode back toward
the finish line counter course direction in middle of the oncoming lane. It
was about the time he looked up that he saw the truck in front of him. The
trucks driver had to almost stop while moving left to avoid hitting him. My
point is that I don't think most of the problem is centerline violations
during racing but people rolling around on their bike before of after races
behaving like they have the road to themselves.
In an unrelated incident, I witnessed the near death of two women riders who
were OTB chasing and rode through a stop sign believing traffic would be
stopped. At that instant the car on the opposite side of the intersection
turned left in front of them missing them by inches. The traffic control
guy had his back to car that turned, had no orange vest and no hand held
stop sign. I encouraged him to stop traffic anytime he saw riders coming
from that time forward. I'm sure the driver thought he had the right of way
after stopping and assumed the women cyclists would stop at the sign also.
Another time I saw 4 or 5 riders that had finished congregating around the
finish line chatting like they were the only ones racing that day just as a
pack of riders was sprinting toward them. Some shrill screams from the
finish officials averted that catastrophe.
We all need to be especially vigilant at open course races. It takes only a
fraction of a second of inattention to be maimed or killed.
Be aware of what's going on around you.
If I sound like your mom, it's probably because I've been working as an EMT
and an official and sometimes support at a lot of the races this year. For
instance when I work as a follow official for a group of riders, I feel they
are MY riders to sheppard and protect. That's why I didn't like being
called away from the women's group yesterday to follow the 3s caravan that
already had plenty of support when the small group of 7 women had only me
for an official AND mechanical support. They weren't alone for too long
though as Ed Norton eventually took over that position. [Ed, were you an
MP?]
End harp.
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From: B Witty
To: ob-@topica.com
Cc: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:07 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] A quick (yet important) reminder of the centerline
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This is an email I just received from Clackamas County re: the race
yesterday. Centerline is a rule that HAS to be followed. It's not just a
matter of someone gaining an unfair advantage, it's an issue that affects us
even having races. Or even worse.
I'm not harping here as I think most are doing a very nice job of minding
the centerline rule. I just wanted to pass on this note I received as a
friendly reminder to all.
Cheers,
Brian Witty
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From: Marek, Joe [mailto:jo-@co.clackamas.or.us]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 4:57 PM
To: 'Bri-@halffastvelo.com'
Subject: District Road Race on June 13th in Clackamas County
Brian,
I wanted to thank you for being so responsive and supportive in dealing with
the few complaints from the District Road Race held on June 13th on our
roads under Permit Number BR04-01. A specific concern of a citizen I talked
with dealt with cyclists riding in oncoming traffic.
As you know, and support, the safety of the riders and other road users is
of paramount importance to all, however, any issues that go awry come back
on me, the person who issued the permit. Prior to my role as County Traffic
Engineer, no bicycle races were allowed on County roads. Because of my
support and the support of our administration, we created a permit process
for bicycle races which has been in place for several years. OBRA has been
very good to work with on the races that I have permitted and I have had few
complaints.
This past weekend, I did receive complaints about the race. I want to
continue to be able to permit races on County roads, however, I need your
support, OBRA's support and most importantly, the support of each and every
participant to exercise good judgment so that the event is safe.
Riders absolutely cannot be riding in the oncoming travel lanes under any
circumstance unless the roadway is fully closed. I don't care how bad
someone wants to win. This offense, while not seeming like a big deal, will
end our bicycle race permit program if there is a crash involving a
competing cyclist that has crossed centerline and a motor vehicle. Such an
infraction may result in the loss of a life. I have no interest in trying
to explain how such an event would have occurred. I can't emphasize the
safety issue enough and perhaps the penalties should be more stringent such
as the person is out for the season. I'm sure that my sentiments are shared
by my colleagues in other agencies who issue bike race permits.
Similarly, all vehicles must also use due caution as well as other
participants such as support vehicles and photographers.
Please, please get this message out the racers and other participants that
safety needs to be the number one priority and crossing centerline will not
be tolerated and is a great way to end road racing on public roads in
Oregon.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks
Joe
_________________________
Joseph F. Marek, PE, PTOE
Traffic Engineer
Clackamas County DTD
Sunnybrook Service Center
9101 SE Sunnybrook Blvd.
Clackamas, OR 97015
Tele: 503.353.4705
Fax: 503.353.4659
email: jo-@co.clackamas.or.us
web: www.co.clackamas.or.us
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<DIV>I agree that riders rolling around after the race need to keep the rules of the road in mind as well as a bit of common sense. I do, however, respectfully disagree on the assertion that centerline violations during races aren't a problem. This year's Columbia Plateau didn't have the usual hard-ass officiating (Paul Schwyhart, for example) keeping the 1/2 race under control, and the centerline crossings on Stage 3 numbered in the hundreds. It was bad enough that many riders - myself included - wanted a return of the strict officiating that has been such a sore spot with some racers in the past. This race is not the only one in which I've seen the centerline crossed.</DIV>
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<DIV>It's simple: if we want to continue to do this sport that is a fun and healthy way of life for many of us, we need to buckle down and truly follow the rules. The centerline rule is not a guideline, it is a rule.</DIV>
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<DIV>John<BR><BR><B><I>"Dan H." <br-@politesociety.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>Let University of Phoenix make 2004 your year. Evening, <BR>weekend or FlexNet? classes ? over 130 locations. Look <BR>into our programs and get the degree that gets you going!<BR>http://click.topica.com/caaciq1aVxiDpbnx1yha/UOP<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Since Brian won't harp, I will.<BR>I might know where at least one or two such complaints came from.<BR>While I was posting as an EMT at the finish line, A masters rider that had<BR>finished his race was rolling around the area and actually rode back toward<BR>the finish line counter course direction in middle of the oncoming lane. It<BR>was about the time he looked up that he saw the truck in front of him. The<BR>trucks driver had to almost stop while moving left to avoid hitting him. My<BR>point is that I don't
think most of the problem is centerline violations<BR>during racing but people rolling around on their bike before of after races<BR>behaving like they have the road to themselves.<BR>In an unrelated incident, I witnessed the near death of two women riders who<BR>were OTB chasing and rode through a stop sign believing traffic would be<BR>stopped. At that instant the car on the opposite side of the intersection<BR>turned left in front of them missing them by inches. The traffic control<BR>guy had his back to car that turned, had no orange vest and no hand held<BR>stop sign. I encouraged him to stop traffic anytime he saw riders coming<BR>from that time forward. I'm sure the driver thought he had the right of way<BR>after stopping and assumed the women cyclists would stop at the sign also.<BR>Another time I saw 4 or 5 riders that had finished congregating around the<BR>finish line chatting like they were the only ones racing that day just as a<BR>pack of riders was sprinting toward
them. Some shrill screams from the<BR>finish officials averted that catastrophe.<BR>We all need to be especially vigilant at open course races. It takes only a<BR>fraction of a second of inattention to be maimed or killed.<BR>Be aware of what's going on around you.<BR>If I sound like your mom, it's probably because I've been working as an EMT<BR>and an official and sometimes support at a lot of the races this year. For<BR>instance when I work as a follow official for a group of riders, I feel they<BR>are MY riders to sheppard and protect. That's why I didn't like being<BR>called away from the women's group yesterday to follow the 3s caravan that<BR>already had plenty of support when the small group of 7 women had only me<BR>for an official AND mechanical support. They weren't alone for too long<BR>though as Ed Norton eventually took over that position. [Ed, were you an<BR>MP?]<BR>End harp.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: B Witty<BR>To:
ob-@topica.com<BR>Cc: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn<BR>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:07 PM<BR>Subject: [OBRA Chat] A quick (yet important) reminder of the centerline<BR>rules<BR><BR><BR>-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>Empower your Team with Remote Access. GoToMyPC Pro<BR>provides your organization with instant remote access to<BR>email,files, applications and network resources in real<BR>time. FREE TRIAL:<BR>http://click.topica.com/caaciqTaVxiDpa6foocb/ExpertCity<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR>This is an email I just received from Clackamas County re: the race<BR>yesterday. Centerline is a rule that HAS to be followed. It's not just a<BR>matter of someone gaining an unfair advantage, it's an issue that affects us<BR>even having races. Or even worse.<BR><BR>I'm not harping here as I think most are doing a very nice job of minding<BR>the centerline rule. I just wanted to pass on this note I received
as a<BR>friendly reminder to all.<BR>Cheers,<BR>Brian Witty<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Marek, Joe [mailto:jo-@co.clackamas.or.us]<BR>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 4:57 PM<BR>To: 'Bri-@halffastvelo.com'<BR>Subject: District Road Race on June 13th in Clackamas County<BR><BR>Brian,<BR>I wanted to thank you for being so responsive and supportive in dealing with<BR>the few complaints from the District Road Race held on June 13th on our<BR>roads under Permit Number BR04-01. A specific concern of a citizen I talked<BR>with dealt with cyclists riding in oncoming traffic.<BR><BR>As you know, and support, the safety of the riders and other road users is<BR>of paramount importance to all, however, any issues that go awry come back<BR>on me, the person who issued the permit. Prior to my role as County Traffic<BR>Engineer, no bicycle races were allowed on County roads. Because of my<BR>support and the support of our administration, we created a permit process<BR>for bicycle races
which has been in place for several years. OBRA has been<BR>very good to work with on the races that I have permitted and I have had few<BR>complaints.<BR><BR>This past weekend, I did receive complaints about the race. I want to<BR>continue to be able to permit races on County roads, however, I need your<BR>support, OBRA's support and most importantly, the support of each and every<BR>participant to exercise good judgment so that the event is safe.<BR><BR>Riders absolutely cannot be riding in the oncoming travel lanes under any<BR>circumstance unless the roadway is fully closed. I don't care how bad<BR>someone wants to win. This offense, while not seeming like a big deal, will<BR>end our bicycle race permit program if there is a crash involving a<BR>competing cyclist that has crossed centerline and a motor vehicle. Such an<BR>infraction may result in the loss of a life. I have no interest in trying<BR>to explain how such an event would have occurred. I can't emphasize the<BR>safety
issue enough and perhaps the penalties should be more stringent such<BR>as the person is out for the season. I'm sure that my sentiments are shared<BR>by my colleagues in other agencies who issue bike race permits.<BR><BR>Similarly, all vehicles must also use due caution as well as other<BR>participants such as support vehicles and photographers.<BR><BR>Please, please get this message out the racers and other participants that<BR>safety needs to be the number one priority and crossing centerline will not<BR>be tolerated and is a great way to end road racing on public roads in<BR>Oregon.<BR><BR>If you have any questions, please let me know.<BR>Thanks<BR>Joe<BR><BR>_________________________<BR>Joseph F. Marek, PE, PTOE<BR>Traffic Engineer<BR>Clackamas County DTD<BR>Sunnybrook Service Center<BR>9101 SE Sunnybrook Blvd.<BR>Clackamas, OR 97015<BR>Tele: 503.353.4705<BR>Fax: 503.353.4659<BR>email: jo-@co.clackamas.or.us<BR>web:
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