Road rage police reports

Becky and Nikos

2004-06-15



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Here is the traffic complaint url for Multnomah County.



http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/sheriff/traffic_unit.htm



Nikos

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In Washington County if a crime has committed we can file a complaint with the Sheriff. See the following link,







http://www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/admin/complain.htm















Our Sheriff also supplies a traffic complaint form. However, it seems to be designed for common occurrences. I copied this from the page linked below:



This program is designed to allow citizens the opportunity to alert the Washington County Sheriff's Office to potential traffic problems in their neighborhood or a particular location in the county. Such complaints might be repeatedly disobeying a stop sign at an intersection, drivers failing to slow down in school zones, or drivers routinely speeding at a particular location.



http://www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/patrol/traf_enf.htm























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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here is the traffic complaint url for Multnomah

County.</FONT></DIV>

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href="http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/sheriff/traffic_unit.htm">http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/sheriff/traffic_unit.htm</A></FONT></DIV>

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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> if a crime has

committed we can file a complaint with the Sheriff.  See the following

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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Our Sheriff also

supplies a traffic complaint form.  However, it seems to be designed for

common occurrences.  I copied this from the page linked below:

</SPAN></FONT></P>

<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This

program is designed to allow citizens the opportunity to alert the Washington

County Sheriff?s Office to potential traffic problems in their neighborhood or

a particular location in the county. Such complaints might be repeatedly

disobeying a stop sign at an intersection, drivers failing to slow down in

school zones, or drivers routinely speeding at a particular location.

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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #00ccff; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">http://www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/patrol/traf_enf.htm</SPAN></FONT></P>

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In Washington County if a crime has committed we can file a complaint

with the Sheriff. See the following link,







http://www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/admin/complain.htm















Our Sheriff also supplies a traffic complaint form. However, it seems

to be designed for common occurrences. I copied this from the page

linked below:



This program is designed to allow citizens the opportunity to alert the

Washington County Sheriff's Office to potential traffic problems in

their neighborhood or a particular location in the county. Such

complaints might be repeatedly disobeying a stop sign at an

intersection, drivers failing to slow down in school zones, or drivers

routinely speeding at a particular location.



http://www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/patrol/traf_enf.htm























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color:navy'> if a crime has committed we can file a complaint with the Sheriff. 

See the following link,</span></font></p>



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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:

Arial;color:navy'>Our Sheriff also supplies a traffic complaint form. 

However, it seems to be designed for common occurrences.  I copied this

from the page linked below: </span></font></p>



<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This

program is designed to allow citizens the opportunity to alert the Washington

County Sheriff’s Office to potential traffic problems in their neighborhood

or a particular location in the county. Such complaints might be repeatedly

disobeying a stop sign at an intersection, drivers failing to slow down in

school zones, or drivers routinely speeding at a particular location. </span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#00ccff" face=Arial><span

style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#00CCFF'>http://www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/patrol/traf_enf.htm</span></font></p>



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I know someone who was hit by a cup thrown from a vehicle while riding his bicycle. He did get the plate and the police were responsive beyond what he expected. He didn't have a witness so charges were not pressed, but he did get an apology note from a teenage driver whose mom wasn't too happy to learn of her son's action.



So, you never know unless you try.



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A buddy of mine in Medford reported a car that swerved into his lane, for no apparent reason than to scare the bejeezus out of a cyclist. He was able to get a description of the teenage driver, the car and the license plate number and called the police.



He never found out what the police did, but justice must have been served because the next week as he was driving along the same road, he saw the car that tried to scare him on the side of the road, for sale!



I say report them! Heck if the police can't help you maybe Mom can!



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I heard there was some sort of road rage hotline to call. I know a guy who had a fit on the road, bumped another car he was arguing with, and got reported by another driver observing the whole thing. He ended up with a $600 ticket. I was thinking "damn, I need to get that number."



Anyone hear of such a thing?



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Dan,

It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event did happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the record so we can show where there are problems.



I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their court.



I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any discription of the driver.



Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime" approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality under our current system.



I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.



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<DIV><SPAN class=723293018-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I know

someone who was hit by a cup thrown from a vehicle while riding his

bicycle.  He did get the plate and the police were responsive beyond what

he expected.  He didn't have a witness so charges were not pressed, but he

did get an apology note from a teenage driver whose mom wasn't too happy to

learn of her son's action.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=723293018-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So,

you never know unless you try.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><SPAN class=723293018-15062004><FONT face=Arial

color=#0000ff>[Doug Evans]  </FONT></SPAN>-----Original

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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial

color=#0000ff size=2> A buddy of mine in Medford reported a car that

swerved into his lane, for no apparent reason than to scare the bejeezus out

of a cyclist. He was able to get a description of the teenage driver, the car

and the license plate number and called the police. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial

color=#0000ff size=2>He never found out what the police did, but justice must

have been served because the next week as he was driving along the same road,

he saw the car that tried to scare him on the side of the road, for

sale!  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial

color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial

color=#0000ff size=2>I say report them! Heck if the police can't help you

maybe Mom can! </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>

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<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I

heard there was some sort of road rage hotline to call.  I know a guy who

had a fit on the road, bumped another car he was arguing with, and got

reported by another driver observing the whole thing.  He ended up with a

$600 ticket.  I was thinking "damn, I need to get that

number."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

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<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2>Anyone hear of such a thing?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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    <DIV>Dan, </DIV>

    <DIV>It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with

    very little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the

    event did happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate

    the record so we can show where there are problems.</DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run

    down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not

    much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their

    court.</DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any

    discription of the driver.</DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime"

    approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality

    under our current system.</DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.</DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>Mark Ginsberg</DIV><BR><BR>

    <DIV>

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As a personal support for this theory, years ago on skyline a driver took TWO passes at me. I got a discription and the plate and the sheriffs went and knocked on his door, and he started cursing at them and yelling about that biker.

He was charged and convicted of careless driving, and while the fine was not that much, it does set the stage for the next time as well.



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A buddy of mine in Medford reported a car that swerved into his lane, for no apparent reason than to scare the bejeezus out of a cyclist. He was able to get a description of the teenage driver, the car and the license plate number and called the police.



He never found out what the police did, but justice must have been served because the next week as he was driving along the same road, he saw the car that tried to scare him on the side of the road, for sale!



I say report them! Heck if the police can't help you maybe Mom can!





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I heard there was some sort of road rage hotline to call. I know a guy who had a fit on the road, bumped another car he was arguing with, and got reported by another driver observing the whole thing. He ended up with a $600 ticket. I was thinking "damn, I need to get that number."



Anyone hear of such a thing?



-Erik

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Dan,

It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event did happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the record so we can show where there are problems.



I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their court.



I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any discription of the driver.



Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime" approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality under our current system.



I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.



Mark Ginsberg





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<DIV>He was charged and convicted of careless driving, and while the fine was not that much, it does set the stage for the next time as well.</DIV>

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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> A buddy of mine in Medford reported a car that swerved into his lane, for no apparent reason than to scare the bejeezus out of a cyclist. He was able to get a description of the teenage driver, the car and the license plate number and called the police. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>He never found out what the police did, but justice must have been served because the next week as he was driving along the same road, he saw the car that tried to scare him on the side of the road, for sale!  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I say report them! Heck if the police can't help you maybe Mom can! </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>

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<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I heard there was some sort of road rage hotline to call.  I know a guy who had a fit on the road, bumped another car he was arguing with, and got reported by another driver observing the whole thing.  He ended up with a $600 ticket.  I was thinking "damn, I need to get that number."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Anyone hear of such a thing?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

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<DIV>Dan, </DIV>

<DIV>It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event did happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the record so we can show where there are problems.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their court.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any discription of the driver.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime" approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality under our current system.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Mark Ginsberg</DIV><BR><BR>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

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<ADDRESS>Attorney At Law</ADDRESS>

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<ADDRESS>Portland, OR 97204</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>(503) 542-3000</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Fax (503) 295-3720 </ADDRESS>

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A buddy of mine in Medford reported a car that swerved into his lane, for

no apparent reason than to scare the bejeezus out of a cyclist. He was able

to get a description of the teenage driver, the car and the license plate

number and called the police.



He never found out what the police did, but justice must have been served

because the next week as he was driving along the same road, he saw the car

that tried to scare him on the side of the road, for sale!



I say report them! Heck if the police can't help you maybe Mom can!



_____



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Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:00 AM

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I heard there was some sort of road rage hotline to call. I know a guy who

had a fit on the road, bumped another car he was arguing with, and got

reported by another driver observing the whole thing. He ended up with a

$600 ticket. I was thinking "damn, I need to get that number."



Anyone hear of such a thing?



-Erik



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Dan,

It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very

little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event

did happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the

record so we can show where there are problems.



I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run down

and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not much

for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their court.



I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any

discription of the driver.



Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime" approach,

which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality under our

current system.



I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.



Mark Ginsberg





Mark J. Ginsberg

Attorney At Law

1001 SW 5th Ave., Ste. 1900

Portland, OR 97204

(503) 542-3000

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markjgi-@yahoo.com

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color=#0000ff size=2> A buddy of mine in Medford reported a car that

swerved into his lane, for no apparent reason than to scare the bejeezus out of

a cyclist. He was able to get a description of the teenage driver, the car and

the license plate number and called the police. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial

color=#0000ff size=2>He never found out what the police did, but justice must

have been served because the next week as he was driving along the same road, he

saw the car that tried to scare him on the side of the road, for sale! 

</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=781464117-15062004><FONT face=Arial

color=#0000ff size=2>I say report them! Heck if the police can't help you maybe

Mom can! </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>

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<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I

heard there was some sort of road rage hotline to call.  I know a guy who

had a fit on the road, bumped another car he was arguing with, and got reported

by another driver observing the whole thing.  He ended up with a $600

ticket.  I was thinking "damn, I need to get that

number."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Anyone

hear of such a thing?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

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<DIV>Dan, </DIV>

<DIV>It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very

little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event did

happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the record so

we can show where there are problems.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run

down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not

much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their

court.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any

discription of the driver.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime"

approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality under

our current system.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Mark Ginsberg</DIV><BR><BR>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

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<ADDRESS>Attorney At Law</ADDRESS>

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I heard there was some sort of road rage hotline to call. I know a guy who

had a fit on the road, bumped another car he was arguing with, and got

reported by another driver observing the whole thing. He ended up with a

$600 ticket. I was thinking "damn, I need to get that number."



Anyone hear of such a thing?



-Erik

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Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:34 AM

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Dan,

It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very

little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event

did happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the

record so we can show where there are problems.



I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run

down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not

much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their

court.



I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any

discription of the driver.



Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime"

approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality

under our current system.



I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.



Mark Ginsberg







Mark J. Ginsberg

Attorney At Law

1001 SW 5th Ave., Ste. 1900

Portland, OR 97204

(503) 542-3000

Fax (503) 295-3720

markjgi-@yahoo.com

www.bikesafetylaw.com





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<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I

heard there was some sort of road rage hotline to call.  I know a guy who

had a fit on the road, bumped another car he was arguing with, and got reported

by another driver observing the whole thing.  He ended up with a $600

ticket.  I was thinking "damn, I need to get that

number."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=250445716-15062004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Anyone

hear of such a thing?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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[mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:34

AM<BR><B>To:</B> da-@danfeiner.com; ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:

[OBRA Chat] Road rage police reports<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV>Dan, </DIV>

<DIV>It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very

little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event did

happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the record so

we can show where there are problems.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run

down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not

much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their

court.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any

discription of the driver.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime"

approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality under

our current system.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Mark Ginsberg</DIV><BR><BR>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<ADDRESS>Mark J. Ginsberg</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Attorney At Law</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>1001 SW 5th Ave., Ste. 1900</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Portland, OR 97204</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>(503) 542-3000</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Fax (503) 295-3720 </ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS><A

href="mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com">markjgi-@yahoo.com</A></ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS><A href="http://www.bikesafetylaw.com">www.bikesafetylaw.com</A>

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Dan,

It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event did happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the record so we can show where there are problems.



I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their court.



I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any discription of the driver.



Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime" approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality under our current system.



I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.



Mark Ginsberg





Mark J. GinsbergAttorney At Law1001 SW 5th Ave., Ste. 1900Portland, OR 97204(503) 542-3000Fax (503) 295-3720 markjgi-@yahoo.comwww.bikesafetylaw.com













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<DIV>Dan, </DIV>

<DIV>It is always worth filing the police report. In the reall world with very little personal info on the driver a conviction is unlikely. BUT the event did happen and even without knowing who did it, we need to generate the record so we can show where there are problems.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I do a lot of bicycle law, and for a lot of people they get almost run down and want ME to do something about it. Int he cases where there is not much for me to do, but some steps they can do, well the ball is in their court.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I would fill out a police report. List the license plate, list any discription of the driver.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Unfortunately most often the police take the "no injury no crime" approach, which is not true, and is not the law. But that is the reality under our current system.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I am happy to talk with oyu in more detail about your options.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Mark Ginsberg</DIV><BR><BR><DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>

<ADDRESS>Mark J. Ginsberg</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Attorney At Law</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>1001 SW 5th Ave., Ste. 1900</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Portland, OR 97204</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>(503) 542-3000</ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS>Fax (503) 295-3720 </ADDRESS>

<ADDRESS><A href="mailto:markjgi-@yahoo.com">markjgi-@yahoo.com</A></ADDRESS>

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2004-06-14



Report it. It sounds vicious enough that the Portland Police should take an

interest and at least give a warning to whoever owns the car. The owner of

the car might not have been driving...maybe Junior was using the family car

inappropriately (one HOPES the parents wouldn't approve of sketchy

driving!).



Can you describe the car?



Please let us know what response you get,



David





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Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 5:41 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Road rage police reports



|

|

| Hi List: I was out riding Skyline between Cornell and Burnside this

| afternoon. I was heading towards Burnside and going about 30 mph through

| the turns just before the cemetery. I was using the full lane, which I

have

| no question is appropriate at that location. A car came up behind me and

| the driver hit his horn a couple of times. He then floored it, passed me

on

| a blind turn (solid yellow line) in the oncoming lane, pulled back into my

| lane and anchored it. He hit the brakes sufficiently hard that his tires

| skidded and smoked. I was just able to stop in time to avoid running into

| him. He then sped off. But not before I got his license plate. I never

| saw and can not identify the driver. Does anyone have any experience with

| how the Portland Police would handle a complaint if I made one? Any

| suggestions as to whether I should pursue this or let it go? Thanks Dan

| Feiner

|

|



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Dan



If you have his plate number, report it. I ride Skyline on the stretch you

mention almost every day. Only once had a problem about two years ago with a

guy who did pretty much the same thing - didn't get his number. There is just

too much bike traffic on Skyline to let it go; someone could get hurt.



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<BR>

If you have his plate number, report it.  I ride Skyline on the stretch you mention almost every day.  Only once had a problem about two years ago with a guy who did pretty much the same thing - didn't get his number.  There is just too much bike traffic on Skyline to let it go; someone could get hurt.<BR>

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2004-06-14





Hi List: I was out riding Skyline between Cornell and Burnside this

afternoon. I was heading towards Burnside and going about 30 mph through

the turns just before the cemetery. I was using the full lane, which I have

no question is appropriate at that location. A car came up behind me and

the driver hit his horn a couple of times. He then floored it, passed me on

a blind turn (solid yellow line) in the oncoming lane, pulled back into my

lane and anchored it. He hit the brakes sufficiently hard that his tires

skidded and smoked. I was just able to stop in time to avoid running into

him. He then sped off. But not before I got his license plate. I never

saw and can not identify the driver. Does anyone have any experience with

how the Portland Police would handle a complaint if I made one? Any

suggestions as to whether I should pursue this or let it go? Thanks Dan

Feiner