Elkhorn Bottle Disposal

Adams, Mike

2004-06-30



If someone has 2,3 or 4 dollars to through away (today's cost of bottle), I'll take it and give to the wonderderfull OBRA wheel program. Get real, if by dumping a few ounces of fluid you gain an advantage WRONG!



-----Original Message-----

From: Jens Heycke [mailto:je-@heycke.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:14 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Elkhorn Bottle Disposal







Per John Cobb, having a bottle is actually more aero

than not having one at all. Having an empty cage on

your frame is aerodynamically the worst of all,

because it creates a lot of turbulence. Moreover,

such an aero disadvantage will exceed the weight

savings even at fairly low speeds.



In short, if you're dropping your bottle, the

performance setback might match the moral one.





-- Jens





Ken Finch wrote:

 

For all the people who ditch bottles during races, it

seems like it would be almost as easy to just empty it

on road and keep the bottle then to ditch it. I assume

the weight is what people are trying to get rid of?



--- Solomon Woras <swo-@hotmail.com> wrote:

 Many of us traveled to Baker City last weekend for

Elkhorn Stage race and as

usual had a great time in a beautiful place amongst

a great community. It is

because of the incredible support that this

community gives Nathan Hobson in

this race that I am very ashamed of my actions last

weekend.

Approaching the final climb of the day I had a full

bottle and as we hit

the slopes I tossed it to the side of the road. This

was an unnecessary act

and a stupid one. Unfortunately this is all too

common when we get caught up

in the moment. Caught up in the moment or not, there

is no excuse for what I

did. More than throwing a bottle I am guilty of

thinking that I am such a

hotshot that I am above the rules. I am thankful

that I was caught so that

this could be brought to my attention.

This community and all others that host such races

invite us in to use

their roads and this is the thanks I have given

them. I am not writing this

because anyone made me, or because I want to make a

big issue out of this,

but because I feel indebted to the city of Baker,

the community, and to

Nathan who had to go out the day after and clean up

after my mess. I feel

that if I have any influence at all I need to apply

it to encourage you all

to please be courteous to your surroundings and to

not get caught up

thinking that what we are doing is so important that

rules don't apply,

because all we are doing is riding our bikes. I hope

not to forget in the

future that I am riding my bike in someone's home

and that I need to respect

that home. Like I said I don't want to make a huge

issue of this or to

preach to you all where and when to throw your trash

as if I am some expert

on en rout race disposal now. I only want to make

people aware of my mistake

and to apologize publicly to Baker City, its people,

my sponsors, my team,

those involved with the race and to Nathan for my

actions.





Thanks



Solomon

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martha walsh

2004-06-30



Solomon,



I am sorry to say that you had a great deal of company

in your behavior on the last day at Elkhorn. As one

of the final riders to complete the stage, I was

saddened by the HUNDREDS of empty water bottles I saw

alongside the road throughout the stage. There are no

moms or adoring fans who follow along behind our races

to pick up our lost items or souvenirs, and plastic is

forever. The beauty of the country we had the

privilege of riding through was marred by the

bottle-tossing actions of so many competitors. The

people of Baker City go out of their way to be

hospitable and make sure we have a great race; we

should respond by leaving their beautiful piece of

Oregon better than we found it. A water bottle in the

ditch doesn't exactly accomplish that.



Martha Walsh

First Rate Mortgage Cycling Team

Seattle



--- Solomon Woras <swo-@hotmail.com> wrote:

 Many of us traveled to Baker City last weekend for

Elkhorn Stage race and as

usual had a great time in a beautiful place amongst

a great community. It is

because of the incredible support that this

community gives Nathan Hobson in

this race that I am very ashamed of my actions last

weekend.

Approaching the final climb of the day I had a full

bottle and as we hit

the slopes I tossed it to the side of the road. This

was an unnecessary act

and a stupid one. Unfortunately this is all too

common when we get caught up

in the moment. Caught up in the moment or not, there

is no excuse for what I

did. More than throwing a bottle I am guilty of

thinking that I am such a

hotshot that I am above the rules. I am thankful

that I was caught so that

this could be brought to my attention.

This community and all others that host such races

invite us in to use

their roads and this is the thanks I have given

them. I am not writing this

because anyone made me, or because I want to make a

big issue out of this,

but because I feel indebted to the city of Baker,

the community, and to

Nathan who had to go out the day after and clean up

after my mess. I feel

that if I have any influence at all I need to apply

it to encourage you all

to please be courteous to your surroundings and to

not get caught up

thinking that what we are doing is so important that

rules don?t apply,

because all we are doing is riding our bikes. I hope

not to forget in the

future that I am riding my bike in someone?s home

and that I need to respect

that home. Like I said I don?t want to make a huge

issue of this or to

preach to you all where and when to throw your trash

as if I am some expert

on en rout race disposal now. I only want to make

people aware of my mistake

and to apologize publicly to Baker City, its people,

my sponsors, my team,

those involved with the race and to Nathan for my

actions.





Thanks



Solomon

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Jens Heycke

2004-06-30





Per John Cobb, having a bottle is actually more aero

than not having one at all. Having an empty cage on

your frame is aerodynamically the worst of all,

because it creates a lot of turbulence. Moreover,

such an aero disadvantage will exceed the weight

savings even at fairly low speeds.



In short, if you're dropping your bottle, the

performance setback might match the moral one.





-- Jens





Ken Finch wrote:

 

For all the people who ditch bottles during races, it

seems like it would be almost as easy to just empty it

on road and keep the bottle then to ditch it. I assume

the weight is what people are trying to get rid of?



--- Solomon Woras <swo-@hotmail.com> wrote:

 Many of us traveled to Baker City last weekend for

Elkhorn Stage race and as

usual had a great time in a beautiful place amongst

a great community. It is

because of the incredible support that this

community gives Nathan Hobson in

this race that I am very ashamed of my actions last

weekend.

Approaching the final climb of the day I had a full

bottle and as we hit

the slopes I tossed it to the side of the road. This

was an unnecessary act

and a stupid one. Unfortunately this is all too

common when we get caught up

in the moment. Caught up in the moment or not, there

is no excuse for what I

did. More than throwing a bottle I am guilty of

thinking that I am such a

hotshot that I am above the rules. I am thankful

that I was caught so that

this could be brought to my attention.

This community and all others that host such races

invite us in to use

their roads and this is the thanks I have given

them. I am not writing this

because anyone made me, or because I want to make a

big issue out of this,

but because I feel indebted to the city of Baker,

the community, and to

Nathan who had to go out the day after and clean up

after my mess. I feel

that if I have any influence at all I need to apply

it to encourage you all

to please be courteous to your surroundings and to

not get caught up

thinking that what we are doing is so important that

rules don?t apply,

because all we are doing is riding our bikes. I hope

not to forget in the

future that I am riding my bike in someone?s home

and that I need to respect

that home. Like I said I don?t want to make a huge

issue of this or to

preach to you all where and when to throw your trash

as if I am some expert

on en rout race disposal now. I only want to make

people aware of my mistake

and to apologize publicly to Baker City, its people,

my sponsors, my team,

those involved with the race and to Nathan for my

actions.





Thanks



Solomon

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Ken Finch

2004-06-30



For all the people who ditch bottles during races, it

seems like it would be almost as easy to just empty it

on road and keep the bottle then to ditch it. I assume

the weight is what people are trying to get rid of?



--- Solomon Woras <swo-@hotmail.com> wrote:

 Many of us traveled to Baker City last weekend for

Elkhorn Stage race and as

usual had a great time in a beautiful place amongst

a great community. It is

because of the incredible support that this

community gives Nathan Hobson in

this race that I am very ashamed of my actions last

weekend.

Approaching the final climb of the day I had a full

bottle and as we hit

the slopes I tossed it to the side of the road. This

was an unnecessary act

and a stupid one. Unfortunately this is all too

common when we get caught up

in the moment. Caught up in the moment or not, there

is no excuse for what I

did. More than throwing a bottle I am guilty of

thinking that I am such a

hotshot that I am above the rules. I am thankful

that I was caught so that

this could be brought to my attention.

This community and all others that host such races

invite us in to use

their roads and this is the thanks I have given

them. I am not writing this

because anyone made me, or because I want to make a

big issue out of this,

but because I feel indebted to the city of Baker,

the community, and to

Nathan who had to go out the day after and clean up

after my mess. I feel

that if I have any influence at all I need to apply

it to encourage you all

to please be courteous to your surroundings and to

not get caught up

thinking that what we are doing is so important that

rules don?t apply,

because all we are doing is riding our bikes. I hope

not to forget in the

future that I am riding my bike in someone?s home

and that I need to respect

that home. Like I said I don?t want to make a huge

issue of this or to

preach to you all where and when to throw your trash

as if I am some expert

on en rout race disposal now. I only want to make

people aware of my mistake

and to apologize publicly to Baker City, its people,

my sponsors, my team,

those involved with the race and to Nathan for my

actions.





Thanks



Solomon

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stevea-@comcast.net

2004-06-30



Right on Soloman. It's very nice when a person is big enough to own up

to their own mistakes. It would be nice if more people did this.



Thanks



-----Original Message-----

From: Solomon Woras [mailto:swo-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:59 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Elkhorn Bottle Disposal





Many of us traveled to Baker City last weekend for Elkhorn Stage race

and as

usual had a great time in a beautiful place amongst a great community.

It is

because of the incredible support that this community gives Nathan

Hobson in

this race that I am very ashamed of my actions last weekend.

Approaching the final climb of the day I had a full bottle and

as we hit

the slopes I tossed it to the side of the road. This was an unnecessary

act

and a stupid one. Unfortunately this is all too common when we get

caught up

in the moment. Caught up in the moment or not, there is no excuse for

what I

did. More than throwing a bottle I am guilty of thinking that I am such

a

hotshot that I am above the rules. I am thankful that I was caught so

that

this could be brought to my attention.

This community and all others that host such races invite us in

to use

their roads and this is the thanks I have given them. I am not writing

this

because anyone made me, or because I want to make a big issue out of

this,

but because I feel indebted to the city of Baker, the community, and to

Nathan who had to go out the day after and clean up after my mess. I

feel

that if I have any influence at all I need to apply it to encourage you

all

to please be courteous to your surroundings and to not get caught up

thinking that what we are doing is so important that rules don't apply,

because all we are doing is riding our bikes. I hope not to forget in

the

future that I am riding my bike in someone's home and that I need to

respect

that home. Like I said I don't want to make a huge issue of this or to

preach to you all where and when to throw your trash as if I am some

expert

on en rout race disposal now. I only want to make people aware of my

mistake

and to apologize publicly to Baker City, its people, my sponsors, my

team,

those involved with the race and to Nathan for my actions.





Thanks



Solomon



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Solomon Woras

2004-06-30



Many of us traveled to Baker City last weekend for Elkhorn Stage race and as

usual had a great time in a beautiful place amongst a great community. It is

because of the incredible support that this community gives Nathan Hobson in

this race that I am very ashamed of my actions last weekend.

Approaching the final climb of the day I had a full bottle and as we hit

the slopes I tossed it to the side of the road. This was an unnecessary act

and a stupid one. Unfortunately this is all too common when we get caught up

in the moment. Caught up in the moment or not, there is no excuse for what I

did. More than throwing a bottle I am guilty of thinking that I am such a

hotshot that I am above the rules. I am thankful that I was caught so that

this could be brought to my attention.

This community and all others that host such races invite us in to use

their roads and this is the thanks I have given them. I am not writing this

because anyone made me, or because I want to make a big issue out of this,

but because I feel indebted to the city of Baker, the community, and to

Nathan who had to go out the day after and clean up after my mess. I feel

that if I have any influence at all I need to apply it to encourage you all

to please be courteous to your surroundings and to not get caught up

thinking that what we are doing is so important that rules don?t apply,

because all we are doing is riding our bikes. I hope not to forget in the

future that I am riding my bike in someone?s home and that I need to respect

that home. Like I said I don?t want to make a huge issue of this or to

preach to you all where and when to throw your trash as if I am some expert

on en rout race disposal now. I only want to make people aware of my mistake

and to apologize publicly to Baker City, its people, my sponsors, my team,

those involved with the race and to Nathan for my actions.





Thanks



Solomon



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