yellow yellow

andrew.-@farmersinsurance.com

2004-07-07











hear hear...there goes the tension in my viewing tonight!!!! Please give a

warning like "tour results: in the subject line. Thanks



Drew Holmes



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   I believe that we've had this discussion every year at this time and

   have always agreed to post a warning in the header about the content of

   our email. It does spoil it for those who like to wait until they have

   the chance to watch the race.



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   I believe that we've had this discussion every year at this time and

   have always agreed to post a warning in the header about the content of

   our email. It does spoil it for those who like to wait until they have

   the chance to watch the race.

   

   Elex



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It's the rules.







The procedure for establishing the general individual time ranking is as

follows:



Times for all riders are calculated according to the gap between them and

the 5th man of the winning team (scratch time).



If this gap is less than that given in the table below, then the actual time

recorded by the timekeepers will be taken.



If the gap is more than that given in the table below, then the rider will

receive the time of the winning team plus the additional number of seconds

indicated in the table below according to the place of their team.



20'' for the 2nd team

30'' for the 3rd team

40'' for the 4th team

50'' for the 5th team

1' for the 6th team

1'10 for the 7th team

1'20 for the 8th team

1'30 for the 9th team

1'40 for the 10th team

1'50 for the 11th team

2'00 for the 12th team

2'10 for the 13th team

2'20 for the 14th team

2'30 for the 15th team

2'35 for the 16th team

2'40 for the 17th team

2'45 for the 18th team

2'50 for the 19th team

2'55 for the 20th team

3'00 for the 21st team



Riders who arrive on their own after the 5th rider in their team will be

credited for the general ranking with the actual time they took to complete

the stage.



However, riders finishing outside of the permitted finishing times

(coefficient 6) will be disqualified.



As far as the general team ranking is concerned, the actual time of the 5th

man in each team will be the time recorded for this ranking.



In the event that a team no longer has at least five riders, those remaining

must finish the stage within the permitted finishing time cited in article

22 (coefficient 6). The time recorded for the general ranking will be the

finishing time of the last rider in that team.







If you want to read the rule book:







http://www.letour.fr/2004/docs/reglement_us.pdf

<http://www.letour.fr/2004/docs/reglement_us.pdf>







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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] yellow yellow







Question on this. Why is Jan only 55 seconds down when USPS TT team beat

everyone by over a minute?







Thanks



Pat



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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The procedure for establishing the

general individual time ranking is as follows:<br>

<br>

Times for all riders are calculated according to the gap between them and the

5th man of the winning team (scratch time).<br>

<br>

If this gap is less than that given in the table below, then the actual time

recorded by the timekeepers will be taken.<br>

<br>

If the gap is more than that given in the table below, then the rider will

receive the time of the winning team plus the additional number of seconds

indicated in the table below according to the place of their team.<br>

<br>

20'' for the 2nd team<br>

30'' for the 3rd team<br>

40'' for the 4th team<br>

50'' for the 5th team<br>

1' for the 6th team<br>

1'10 for the 7th team<br>

1'20 for the 8th team<br>

1'30 for the 9th team<br>

1'40 for the 10th team<br>

1'50 for the 11th team<br>

2'00 for the 12th team<br>

2'10 for the 13th team<br>

2'20 for the 14th team<br>

2'30 for the 15th team<br>

2'35 for the 16th team<br>

2'40 for the 17th team<br>

2'45 for the 18th team<br>

2'50 for the 19th team<br>

2'55 for the 20th team<br>

3'00 for the 21st team<br>

<br>

Riders who arrive on their own after the 5th rider in their team will be

credited for the general ranking with the actual time they took to complete the

stage.<br>

<br>

However, riders finishing outside of the permitted finishing times (coefficient

6) will be disqualified.<br>

<br>

As far as the general team ranking is concerned, the actual time of the 5th man

in each team will be the time recorded for this ranking.<br>

<br>

In the event that a team no longer has at least five riders, those remaining

must finish the stage within the permitted finishing time cited in article 22

(coefficient 6). The time recorded for the general ranking will be the

finishing time of the last rider in that team.</span></font></p>



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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Pat Sagers

[mailto:pat_s-@orcom.com] <br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 07, 2004

11:33 AM<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'ob-@topica.com'<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [OBRA Chat] yellow

yellow</span></font></p>



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Why is Jan only 55 seconds down when USPS TT team beat everyone by over a

minute?</span></font></p>



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Due to the new time limit rule which limited their

total loss by making it a percentage of the time, not

the total.



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when USPS TT team beat

everyone by over a minute?



Thanks

Pat



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new rules limited time losses to 20 second increments based on team finish position.

so 2nd team loses their actual time or 20 sec which ever is less

3rd team loses actual time or 40 sec which ever is less, etc.



Mark Ginsberg



Pat Sagers <pat_s-@orcom.com> wrote:

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Thanks

Pat

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<DIV>new rules limited time losses to 20 second increments based on team finish position.</DIV>

<DIV>so 2nd team loses their actual time or 20 sec which ever is less</DIV>

<DIV>3rd team loses actual time or 40 sec which ever is less, etc.</DIV>

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Pat



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Looks like my media blackout will also have to apply to OBRA chat in

addition to internet

news sources as some of us cant watch Le Tour until we get home and want to

have a surprise. :)

Do I hear a call for no spoilers on OBRA chat and only talk about previous

day's stages? Or we can

talk about the days stage and post a warning in the subject line. Or am I

the only one that feels this way

and should just go crawl back under my rock?   :)



-K

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=177002018-07072004>Looks

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=177002018-07072004>news

sources as some of us cant watch Le Tour until we get home and want to have a

surprise. :)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=177002018-07072004>Do I

hear a call for no spoilers on OBRA chat and only talk about previous day's

stages? Or we can</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=177002018-07072004>talk

about the days stage and post a warning in the subject line. Or am I the only

one that feels this way</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=177002018-07072004>and

should just go crawl back under my rock?   :)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

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