Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Jake Bigham

2004-07-19





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Mike - Don't forget Connecticut, Hartford is the capital of

Connecticut. Also - New Englanders would be reluctant to include New

York in their "general area".

On Monday, July 19, 2004, at 10:20 AM, Mike Murray wrote:



 Peter has a good point but his numbers are understated quite a bit,

unless

you use a REAL big definition of "general area" as there are only

slightly

more than 3.5M people in the whole state of Oregon whereas the

population of

Massachusetts alone is 6.4M. If you take the "general area" of Boston

to

Hartford to include Massachusetts, New York and Rhode Island the total

population is closer to 30M.



Mike Murray





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Mike - Don't forget Connecticut, Hartford is the capital of

Connecticut. Also - New Englanders would be reluctant to include New

York in their "general area".



On Monday, July 19, 2004, at 10:20 AM, Mike Murray wrote:





<excerpt>Peter has a good point but his numbers are understated quite

a bit, unless



you use a REAL big definition of "general area" as there are only

slightly



more than 3.5M people in the whole state of Oregon whereas the

population of



Massachusetts alone is 6.4M. If you take the "general area" of Boston

to



Hartford to include Massachusetts, New York and Rhode Island the total



population is closer to 30M.





Mike Murray



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Mike Murray

2004-07-19



Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com] wrote:

"But there are only about 5 million people in the general area of

Portland-Eugene. As opposed to 20 million who would know Boston to

Hartford."



Peter has a good point but his numbers are understated quite a bit, unless

you use a REAL big definition of "general area" as there are only slightly

more than 3.5M people in the whole state of Oregon whereas the population of

Massachusetts alone is 6.4M. If you take the "general area" of Boston to

Hartford to include Massachusetts, New York and Rhode Island the total

population is closer to 30M.



Mike Murray



jason pfeifer

2004-07-16



Ok, I know I am going to get in trouble for this

but...

As a transplanted Minneasotan,



Fertile, Minnesota to Climax, Minnesota



This is cycling related in that Fertile actually had a

bike race in the early '90's called the "Fertile 50"

the local joke there is a newspaper headline "Fertile

woman dies in Climax". Oh those crazy Norwegian

farmers



I did the race in 91 but sadly the race course never

reaches Climax...Get it! Ha HA Ha, Ok I am done.



Jason Pfeifer



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2004-07-16



As a transplant from Greece, Athens to Marathon?



Nikos Tzetos





 

As a Florida transplant, Orlando to Tampa?



Peter Murphy

2004-07-16



But there are only about 5 million people in the general area of

Portland-Eugene. As opposed to 20 million who would know Boston to Hartford.

That's the only reason I said anything. But I'll shut up now.The horse is

dead to me..



As a Florida transplant, Orlando to Tampa?







 From: Jake Bigham <ja-@chesshirarchitecture.com>

To: murphy_-@hotmail.com

CC: cmur-@obra.org, ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:33:44 -0700



Perhaps, but as an East coast transplant how many of you are familiar with

the distance between Hartford and Boston?

On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 01:03 PM, Peter Murphy wrote:



 That is a strange two cities for a national broadcast..Oh yea everyone

else in the country knows where Eugene is in relation to Portland.







Pete Murphy









 From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

To: obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:50 -0700



At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route

164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

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Perhaps, but as an East coast transplant how many of you are familiar

with the distance between Hartford and Boston?

On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 01:03 PM, Peter Murphy wrote:



 That is a strange two cities for a national broadcast..Oh yea everyone

else in the country knows where Eugene is in relation to Portland.







Pete Murphy









 From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

To: obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:50 -0700



At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route

164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

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Perhaps, but as an East coast transplant how many of you are familiar

with the distance between Hartford and Boston?



On Thursday, July 15, 2004, at 01:03 PM, Peter Murphy wrote:





<excerpt>That is a strange two cities for a national broadcast..Oh yea

everyone else in the country knows where Eugene is in relation to

Portland.









Pete Murphy











<excerpt>From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

<<cmur-@obra.org>



Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org



To: obra <<ob-@topica.com>



Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance



Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:50 -0700





At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route



164 K, 103 miles



"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"





I wonder how that demographic was picked?



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I should add that Cascade, Hood, and Elkhorn are great. I was just thinking along the lines of TOW and Redlands/Sea Otter type races. I could see Elkhorn and Hood becoming just as great as Cascade.



David Hart

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I heard that there was enough money to put it own but there was some 'road blocks' that just kept it from happening. I hope they bring something to the NW soon. California shouldn't have two great races and we get none.



David Hart

North River Racing

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    Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:17 PM

    Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





    One of Phil Busse campaign items was to bring an international week long

    bike race in the Willamette Valley.



    Eventhough Phil came in third, he is forming a committee that will work on

    making several of his agenda items reality and the bike race it one of them.



    I am sure that he and his staff will be contacting the good people of OBRA

    for info and help, especially those that have put together multi-stage

    races.



    www.meformayor.com<http://www.meformayor.com/>



    How about that, a little politics and cycling..



    Pete Murphy













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    >To: <murphy_-@hotmail.com<mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com>>, <ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

    >Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

    >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:05:17 -0700

    >

    >Didn't that used be called the Tour Willamette? Oh yeah, that was five

    >days

    >of hell.

    >--Kent Peterson

    >

    >-----Original Message-----

    >From: Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

    >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:57 PM

    >To: ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

    >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

    >

    >

    >One day "classic", during the cold rainy spring, on the crappiest roads we

    >can find. Call it "The Hell of the West"

    >

    >

    >

    >Pete Murphy

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    > >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

    > >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:52:09 -0700

    > >

    > >It seems they pick cities in each state. I bet someone from Oregon works

    > >for OLN and mentioned it. It would be cool to have a race from Eugene to

    > >Portland.

    > >

    > >David Hart

    > >North River Racing

    > >Southwest Washington's Cycling team!

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    > >   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:23 PM

    > >   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

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    > >

    > >   ...and why not from Eugene to Portland?

    > >

    > >   ----- Original Message -----

    > >   From: "Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn"

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    > >   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM

    > >   Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

    > >

    > >

    > >   > At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing

    >the

    > >   route

    > >   > 164 K, 103 miles

    > >   > "Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"

    > >   >

    > >   > I wonder how that demographic was picked?

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<DIV>I should add that Cascade, Hood, and Elkhorn are great.  I was just

thinking along the lines of TOW and Redlands/Sea Otter type races.  I

could see Elkhorn and Hood becoming just as great as Cascade.</DIV>

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<DIV>David Hart <BR>North River Racing <BR>Southwest Washington's Cycling team!

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<DIV>I heard that there was enough money to put it own but there was some

'road blocks' that just kept it from happening.  I hope they bring

something to the NW soon.  California shouldn't have two great races and

we get none.</DIV>

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<DIV>David Hart <BR>North River Racing <BR>Southwest Washington's Cycling

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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's

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    <DIV><BR></DIV>One of Phil Busse campaign items was to bring an

    international week long <BR>bike race in the Willamette

    Valley.<BR><BR>Eventhough Phil came in third, he is forming a committee that

    will work on <BR>making several of his agenda items reality and the bike

    race it one of them.<BR><BR>I am sure that he and his staff will be

    contacting the good people of OBRA <BR>for info and help, especially those

    that have put together multi-stage <BR>races.<BR><BR><A

    title=http://www.meformayor.com/

    href="http://www.meformayor.com">www.meformayor.com</A><BR><BR>How about

    that, a little politics and cycling..<BR><BR>Pete

    Murphy<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: "Kent Peterson" <<A

    title=mailto:ke-@co-motion.com

    href="mailto:ke-@co-motion.com">ke-@co-motion.com</A>><BR>>To:

    <<A title=mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com

    href="mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com">murphy_-@hotmail.com</A>>,

    <<A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

    href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A>><BR>>Subject: RE:

    [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance<BR>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004

    15:05:17 -0700<BR>><BR>>Didn't that used be called the Tour

    Willamette?  Oh yeah, that was five <BR>>days<BR>>of

    hell.<BR>>--Kent Peterson<BR>><BR>>-----Original

    Message-----<BR>>From: Peter Murphy

    [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]<BR>>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004

    2:57 PM<BR>>To: <A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

    href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A><BR>>Subject: Re: [OBRA

    Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance<BR>><BR>><BR>>One day

    "classic", during the cold rainy spring, on the crappiest roads

    we<BR>>can find. Call it "The Hell of the

    West"<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Pete

    Murphy<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> >From: David Hart

    <<A title=mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com

    href="mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com">kerch-@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>

    >Reply-To: <A title=mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com

    href="mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com">kerch-@hotmail.com</A><BR>>

    >To: <A title=mailto:br-@politesociety.com

    href="mailto:br-@politesociety.com">br-@politesociety.com</A>, <A

    title=mailto:cmur-@obra.org

    href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A>, obra <<A

    title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

    href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A>><BR>> >Subject:

    Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance<BR>> >Date: Thu, 15

    Jul 2004 14:52:09 -0700<BR>> ><BR>> >It seems they pick cities

    in each state.  I bet someone from Oregon works<BR>> >for OLN and

    mentioned it.  It would be cool to have a race from Eugene to<BR>>

    >Portland.<BR>> ><BR>> >David Hart<BR>> >North River

    Racing<BR>> >Southwest Washington's Cycling team!<BR>> ><BR>>

    >   ----- Original Message -----<BR>> >   From:

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    href="mailto:br-@politesociety.com<mailto:br-@politesociety.com">br-@politesociety.com<mailto:br-@politesociety.com</A>><BR>>

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    title="mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org"

    href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org</A>>

    ;<BR>> >obra<<A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

    href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">mailto:ob-@topica.com</A>><BR>>

    >   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:23 PM<BR>>

    >   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of

    distance<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >   ...and why not

    from Eugene to Portland?<BR>> ><BR>> >   -----

    Original Message -----<BR>> >   From: "Candi Murray/Oregon

    Bicycle Racing Assn"<BR>> ><<A

    title="mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org"

    href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org</A>>><BR>>

    >   To: "obra" <<A

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    href="mailto:ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com</A>>><BR>>

    >   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM<BR>>

    >   Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of

    distance<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >   > At the

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I heard that there was enough money to put it own but there was some 'road blocks' that just kept it from happening. I hope they bring something to the NW soon. California shouldn't have two great races and we get none.



David Hart

North River Racing

Southwest Washington's Cycling team!



----- Original Message -----

From: Peter Murphy<mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com>

To: ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:17 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





One of Phil Busse campaign items was to bring an international week long

bike race in the Willamette Valley.



Eventhough Phil came in third, he is forming a committee that will work on

making several of his agenda items reality and the bike race it one of them.



I am sure that he and his staff will be contacting the good people of OBRA

for info and help, especially those that have put together multi-stage

races.



www.meformayor.com<http://www.meformayor.com/>



How about that, a little politics and cycling..



Pete Murphy













>From: "Kent Peterson" <ke-@co-motion.com<mailto:ke-@co-motion.com>>

>To: <murphy_-@hotmail.com<mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com>>, <ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

>Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:05:17 -0700

>

>Didn't that used be called the Tour Willamette? Oh yeah, that was five

>days

>of hell.

>--Kent Peterson

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:57 PM

>To: ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

>

>

>One day "classic", during the cold rainy spring, on the crappiest roads we

>can find. Call it "The Hell of the West"

>

>

>

>Pete Murphy

>

>

>

>

>

> >From: David Hart <kerch-@hotmail.com<mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com>>

> >Reply-To: kerch-@hotmail.com<mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com>

> >To: br-@politesociety.com<mailto:br-@politesociety.com>, cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org>, obra <ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

> >Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

> >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:52:09 -0700

> >

> >It seems they pick cities in each state. I bet someone from Oregon works

> >for OLN and mentioned it. It would be cool to have a race from Eugene to

> >Portland.

> >

> >David Hart

> >North River Racing

> >Southwest Washington's Cycling team!

> >

> >   ----- Original Message -----

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> >obra<mailto:ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

> >   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:23 PM

> >   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

> >

> >

> >   ...and why not from Eugene to Portland?

> >

> >   ----- Original Message -----

> >   From: "Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn"

> ><cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org>>>

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> >   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM

> >   Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

> >

> >

> >   > At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing

>the

> >   route

> >   > 164 K, 103 miles

> >   > "Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"

> >   >

> >   > I wonder how that demographic was picked?

> >   > Candi

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<DIV>I heard that there was enough money to put it own but there was some 'road

blocks' that just kept it from happening.  I hope they bring something to

the NW soon.  California shouldn't have two great races and we get

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<DIV>David Hart <BR>North River Racing <BR>Southwest Washington's Cycling team!

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A

title=mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com

href="mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com">Peter Murphy</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:17

PM</DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's

measure of distance</DIV>

<DIV><BR></DIV>One of Phil Busse campaign items was to bring an international

week long <BR>bike race in the Willamette Valley.<BR><BR>Eventhough Phil came

in third, he is forming a committee that will work on <BR>making several of

his agenda items reality and the bike race it one of them.<BR><BR>I am sure

that he and his staff will be contacting the good people of OBRA <BR>for info

and help, especially those that have put together multi-stage

<BR>races.<BR><BR><A title=http://www.meformayor.com/

href="http://www.meformayor.com">www.meformayor.com</A><BR><BR>How about that,

a little politics and cycling..<BR><BR>Pete

Murphy<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: "Kent Peterson" <<A

title=mailto:ke-@co-motion.com

href="mailto:ke-@co-motion.com">ke-@co-motion.com</A>><BR>>To: <<A

title=mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com

href="mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com">murphy_-@hotmail.com</A>>,

<<A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A>><BR>>Subject: RE:

[OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance<BR>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004

15:05:17 -0700<BR>><BR>>Didn't that used be called the Tour

Willamette?  Oh yeah, that was five <BR>>days<BR>>of

hell.<BR>>--Kent Peterson<BR>><BR>>-----Original

Message-----<BR>>From: Peter Murphy

[mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]<BR>>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:57

PM<BR>>To: <A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A><BR>>Subject: Re: [OBRA

Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance<BR>><BR>><BR>>One day

"classic", during the cold rainy spring, on the crappiest roads we<BR>>can

find. Call it "The Hell of the West"<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Pete

Murphy<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> >From: David Hart

<<A title=mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com

href="mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com">kerch-@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>

>Reply-To: <A title=mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com

href="mailto:kerch-@hotmail.com">kerch-@hotmail.com</A><BR>>

>To: <A title=mailto:br-@politesociety.com

href="mailto:br-@politesociety.com">br-@politesociety.com</A>, <A

title=mailto:cmur-@obra.org

href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org</A>, obra <<A

title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A>><BR>> >Subject: Re:

[OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance<BR>> >Date: Thu, 15 Jul

2004 14:52:09 -0700<BR>> ><BR>> >It seems they pick cities in each

state.  I bet someone from Oregon works<BR>> >for OLN and mentioned

it.  It would be cool to have a race from Eugene to<BR>>

>Portland.<BR>> ><BR>> >David Hart<BR>> >North River

Racing<BR>> >Southwest Washington's Cycling team!<BR>> ><BR>>

>   ----- Original Message -----<BR>> >   From:

<A title="mailto:br-@politesociety.com<mailto:br-@politesociety.com"

href="mailto:br-@politesociety.com<mailto:br-@politesociety.com">br-@politesociety.com<mailto:br-@politesociety.com</A>><BR>>

>   To: <A

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href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org</A>>

;<BR>> >obra<<A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">mailto:ob-@topica.com</A>><BR>>

>   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:23 PM<BR>>

>   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of

distance<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >   ...and why not

from Eugene to Portland?<BR>> ><BR>> >   ----- Original

Message -----<BR>> >   From: "Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle

Racing Assn"<BR>> ><<A

title="mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org"

href="mailto:cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org">cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org</A>>><BR>>

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>   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM<BR>>

>   Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of

distance<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >   > At the start

of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing <BR>>the<BR>>

>   route<BR>> >   > 164 K, 103 miles<BR>>

>   > "Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to

Eugene"<BR>> >   ><BR>> >   > I wonder

how that demographic was picked?<BR>> >   > Candi<BR>>

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2004-07-15



One of Phil Busse campaign items was to bring an international week long

bike race in the Willamette Valley.



Eventhough Phil came in third, he is forming a committee that will work on

making several of his agenda items reality and the bike race it one of them.



I am sure that he and his staff will be contacting the good people of OBRA

for info and help, especially those that have put together multi-stage

races.



www.meformayor.com



How about that, a little politics and cycling..



Pete Murphy













 From: "Kent Peterson" <ke-@co-motion.com>

To: <murphy_-@hotmail.com>, <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:05:17 -0700



Didn't that used be called the Tour Willamette? Oh yeah, that was five

days

of hell.

--Kent Peterson



-----Original Message-----

From: Peter Murphy [mailto:murphy_-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:57 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





One day "classic", during the cold rainy spring, on the crappiest roads we

can find. Call it "The Hell of the West"







Pete Murphy











 From: David Hart <kerch-@hotmail.com>

Reply-To: kerch-@hotmail.com

To: br-@politesociety.com, cmur-@obra.org, obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:52:09 -0700



It seems they pick cities in each state. I bet someone from Oregon works

for OLN and mentioned it. It would be cool to have a race from Eugene to

Portland.



David Hart

North River Racing

Southwest Washington's Cycling team!



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   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:23 PM

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   ...and why not from Eugene to Portland?



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   To: "obra" <ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM

   Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





   > At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing

the

    route

   > 164 K, 103 miles

   > "Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"

   >

   > I wonder how that demographic was picked?

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Didn't that used be called the Tour Willamette? Oh yeah, that was five days

of hell.

--Kent Peterson



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One day "classic", during the cold rainy spring, on the crappiest roads we

can find. Call it "The Hell of the West"







Pete Murphy











 From: David Hart <kerch-@hotmail.com>

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To: br-@politesociety.com, cmur-@obra.org, obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:52:09 -0700



It seems they pick cities in each state. I bet someone from Oregon works

for OLN and mentioned it. It would be cool to have a race from Eugene to

Portland.



David Hart

North River Racing

Southwest Washington's Cycling team!



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   ...and why not from Eugene to Portland?



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   From: "Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn"

<cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org>>

   To: "obra" <ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM

   Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





   > At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

   route

   > 164 K, 103 miles

   > "Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"

   >

   > I wonder how that demographic was picked?

   > Candi

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2004-07-15



Chris King to Rolf.............. hmmmm





 From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

To: obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:50 -0700



At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the route

164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

Candi







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2004-07-15



One day "classic", during the cold rainy spring, on the crappiest roads we

can find. Call it "The Hell of the West"







Pete Murphy











 From: David Hart <kerch-@hotmail.com>

Reply-To: kerch-@hotmail.com

To: br-@politesociety.com, cmur-@obra.org, obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:52:09 -0700



It seems they pick cities in each state. I bet someone from Oregon works

for OLN and mentioned it. It would be cool to have a race from Eugene to

Portland.



David Hart

North River Racing

Southwest Washington's Cycling team!



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obra<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:23 PM

   Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





   ...and why not from Eugene to Portland?



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   From: "Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn"

<cmur-@obra.org<mailto:cmur-@obra.org>>

   To: "obra" <ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM

   Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





   > At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

   route

   > 164 K, 103 miles

   > "Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"

   >

   > I wonder how that demographic was picked?

   > Candi

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   >

   >

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It seems they pick cities in each state. I bet someone from Oregon works for OLN and mentioned it. It would be cool to have a race from Eugene to Portland.



David Hart

North River Racing

Southwest Washington's Cycling team!



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Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





...and why not from Eugene to Portland?



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To: "obra" <ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





> At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route

> 164 K, 103 miles

> "Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"

>

> I wonder how that demographic was picked?

> Candi

>

>

>

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 ...and why not from Eugene to Portland?



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To: "obra"

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





 At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route

 164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

Candi







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...and why not from Eugene to Portland?



----- Original Message -----

From: "Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn" <cmur-@obra.org>

To: "obra" <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:40 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance





 At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route

 164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

Candi







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I've generally thought of it as a difference in decade rather than as a

distance...   ;-)



Jerry





On Jul 15, 2004, at 1:03 PM, Peter Murphy wrote:



 That is a strange two cities for a national broadcast..Oh yea everyone

else in the country knows where Eugene is in relation to Portland.



Pete Murphy





 From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

To: obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:50 -0700



At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route

164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

Candi





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I've generally thought of it as a difference in decade rather than as

a distance...   ;-)





Jerry







On Jul 15, 2004, at 1:03 PM, Peter Murphy wrote:





<excerpt>That is a strange two cities for a national broadcast..Oh yea

everyone else in the country knows where Eugene is in relation to

Portland.





Pete Murphy







<excerpt>From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

<<cmur-@obra.org>



Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org



To: obra <<ob-@topica.com>



Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance



Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:50 -0700





At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route



164 K, 103 miles



"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"





I wonder how that demographic was picked?



Candi





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<italic><x-tad-smaller>USAC Elite Coach



</x-tad-smaller></italic>1926 SW Madison Street



Portland, OR 97205





503 222 7173



503 799 7823





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Ellerbruch, Tim J

2004-07-15



If you go back and look at the prior stages, you'll see that they pick a

different region of the country for each stage.



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Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:04 PM

To: cmur-@obra.org; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance



That is a strange two cities for a national broadcast..Oh yea everyone

else

in the country knows where Eugene is in relation to Portland.







Pete Murphy









 From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

To: obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:50 -0700



At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the

route

 164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

Candi







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2004-07-15



That is a strange two cities for a national broadcast..Oh yea everyone else

in the country knows where Eugene is in relation to Portland.







Pete Murphy









 From: Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn <cmur-@obra.org>

Reply-To: cmur-@obra.org

To: obra <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Paul Sherwin's measure of distance

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:40:50 -0700



At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the route

164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

Candi







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Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

2004-07-15



At the start of the stage today, as Paul and Phil were describing the route

164 K, 103 miles

"Or roughly the distance from Portland, Oregon to Eugene"



I wonder how that demographic was picked?

Candi