--part1_54.2eb5387c.2e2eb1a3_boundary
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="part1_54.2eb5387c.2e2eb1a3_alt_boundary"
--part1_54.2eb5387c.2e2eb1a3_alt_boundary
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 7/20/2004 9:08:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mad-@huttig.com writes:
It will be a sad day for American cycling if this doping is
accurate. I
think Lemond's observations are logical. Armstrong doesn't
possess any
super human characteristics such as an off-the-charts lung capacity,
however, he continues to dominate, superhuman. Additionally,
his recovery
from cancer was remarkable beyond reason. If memory serves,
LA's recovery
went from his inability to ride out of his driveway to
winning the tour in
less than 18 months. I guess the question is, superhuman or
great drugs?
I BEG TO DIFFER.....I BELIEVE LANCE'S VO2 MAX AND HIS ABILITY TO METABOLIZE
BUILDING LACTIC ACID HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE EXTREMELY AMAZING OR ALMOST "SUPER
HUMAN"....HEY, HE'S A CHAMPION.
DC
--part1_54.2eb5387c.2e2eb1a3_alt_boundary
Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 7/20/2004 9:08:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mad-@huttig.com writes: <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
It will be a sad day for American cycling if this doping is <BR>
accurate. I<BR>
think Lemond's observations are logical. Armstrong doesn't <BR>
possess any<BR>
super human characteristics such as an off-the-charts lung capacity,<BR>
however, he continues to dominate, superhuman. Additionally, <BR>
his recovery<BR>
from cancer was remarkable beyond reason. If memory serves, <BR>
LA's recovery<BR>
went from his inability to ride out of his driveway to <BR>
winning the tour in<BR>
less than 18 months. I guess the question is, superhuman or <BR>
great drugs?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
I BEG TO DIFFER.....I BELIEVE LANCE'S VO2 MAX AND HIS ABILITY TO METABOLIZE BUILDING LACTIC ACID HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE EXTREMELY AMAZING OR ALMOST "SUPER HUMAN"....HEY, HE'S A CHAMPION.<BR>
<BR>
DC </FONT></HTML>
--part1_54.2eb5387c.2e2eb1a3_alt_boundary--
--part1_54.2eb5387c.2e2eb1a3_boundary
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Content-Disposition: inline
Return-Path: <QmOLuAEJATBBNXY-@boing.topica.com>
Received: from rly-xi02.mx.aol.com (rly-xi02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.7]) by air-xi02.mail.aol.com (v100.26) with ESMTP id MAILINXI22-4c640fd434f25d; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:08:09 -0400
Received: from out008.topica-platinum-w.com (out008.topica-platinum-w.com [65.77.104.28]) by rly-xi02.mx.aol.com (v100.23) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXI22-4c640fd434f25d; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:08:04 -0400
Received: (qmail 4800 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2004 16:07:47 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO HBP-MAILHUB01.huttig.com) (67.128.244.254)
by 0 with SMTP; 20 Jul 2004 16:07:47 -0000
Received: from HBP-MAIL05.huttig.com ([192.168.1.41]) by HBP-MAILHUB01.huttig.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:07:47 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
content-class: urn:content-classes:message
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: [OBRA Chat] Mr. lemond [spoiler alert!]
Thread-Index: AcRr/h3beyEr53hVRcuEwe+/6PlvVQAEURxQAJjqlSA=
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2004 16:07:47.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2A97180:01C46E73]
To: PBar-@Barila.Net, ob-@topica.com
From: "Adams, Mike" <mad-@huttig.com>
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mr. lemond [spoiler alert!]
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:07:37 -0500
Message-ID: <755410309-1463792382-1090339674@boing.topica.com>
Errors-To: <QmOLuAEJATBBNXY-@boing.topica.com>
Reply-To: mad-@huttig.com
X-Topica-Id: <1090339670.inmta002.3598.1299790>
List-Help: <http://topica.com/lists/obra@topica.com/>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:obra-uns-@topica.com>
X-AOL-IP: 65.77.104.28
X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version)
Until ya'll do your research on what it takes to successfully pass every test for doping, in and out of competition for five years, with the scrutiny that Mr. Armstrong is and has been under, and have everyone involved with his training and nutrition i.e. Mr. Carmichael, state he is a clean rider, shut up and go ride.
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Barila [mailto:PBar-@Barila.Net]
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:17 AM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Mr. lemond [spoiler alert!]
FACT: LA has been a very vocal proponent of blood tests, instead of peeing
in the bottle.
Do you really think anyone who is systematically doping on the scale
necessary to create a "superhuman" is that confident in the masking
technology he'd be using?
FACT: LA has passed at least one of same blood tests, and a huge number of
urine tests, and had dopes with (and without) press passes going through the
team's garbage, without any credible evidence of wrongdoing whatsoever
having been found.
Anyone can say anything, but so far, it's only words. Surely, with the huge
bounty Le Monde and other organizations have offered for credible evidence
of LA doping, someone who works for the team would gotten greedy by now,
don't you think?
While you are advocating skepticism, advocate skepticism both ways.
Currently, your tone suggests that your skepticism is unidirectional.
-----Original Message-----
From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:01 AM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Mr. lemond
There was an interesting segment on ESPN yesterday 7/16/04. I
cannot find it
on the net, however, a previous staff member of the USPS team was
interviewed and he stated that LA was very threatening, telling him
something to the effect "I will spend a lot of money to make your life
miserable" when referring to his discussion about the team's apparent
doping. Greg Lemond made similar references to threats
during the segement.
There were also insinuations that Armstrong pressured other
team members to
use drugs. I have heard in the past that may be part of the
reason riders
like Julich and Hamilton left USPS.
It will be a sad day for American cycling if this doping is
accurate. I
think Lemond's observations are logical. Armstrong doesn't
possess any
super human characteristics such as an off-the-charts lung capacity,
however, he continues to dominate, superhuman. Additionally,
his recovery
from cancer was remarkable beyond reason. If memory serves,
LA's recovery
went from his inability to ride out of his driveway to
winning the tour in
less than 18 months. I guess the question is, superhuman or
great drugs?
DISCLAIMER FOR ALL YOU HOT HEADS:
I am not stating that LA is doping, so don't start with the
innocent until
proven guilty crap. I AM SAYING THE SKEPTICISM IS REASONABLE.
To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.
To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org
To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com
To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.
To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org
To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com
--part1_54.2eb5387c.2e2eb1a3_boundary--