Chris Horner--sexist



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Kori wrote:

< like Mr. Horner didn't take losing gracefully, but his comment "I've never seen so many women in my life" (p. 20) in reference to the rest of the male field (and apparently focusing especially on the U.S. Postal members there) is sexist and offensive.>



Offensive yes, sexist probably not. Specifically; sexist is defined as a man with a chauvinistic belief in the inferiority of women. Do you really believe that comment establishes Mr. Horner as a sexist? I've heard women say the same thing about other women riders and men! In fact, I once heard a very competitive Oregon woman racer in a men's race say "C'mon boys don't be such women" when the men were not taking pulls. And I once heard a women racer say "you guys are riding like a bunch of women" after a stage finish where her teammates apparently didn't try hard enough.



Certainly, Mr. Horner could have come up with better terminology, however, his simple lack of sportsmanship is offensive enough.

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<DIV>Kori wrote:</DIV>

<DIV>< like Mr. Horner didn't take losing gracefully, but his

comment "I've never seen so many women in my life" (p. 20) in reference to

the rest of the male field (and apparently focusing especially on the U.S.

Postal members there) is sexist and offensive.></DIV>

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<DIV>Offensive yes, sexist probably not.  Specifically; sexist is defined

as a man with a chauvinistic belief in the inferiority of women.  Do you

really believe that comment establishes Mr. Horner as a sexist?  I've

heard women say the same thing about other women riders and men! 

In fact, I once heard a very competitive Oregon woman racer in a

men's race say "C'mon boys don't be such women" when the

men were not taking pulls.  And I once heard a women racer

say "you guys are riding like a bunch of women" after a stage finish where

her teammates apparently didn't try hard enough.  </DIV>

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<DIV>Certainly, Mr. Horner could have come up with better terminology, however,

his simple lack of sportsmanship is offensive enough.</DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>



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mark duff

2004-07-18



Maybe Kori should take it up with him directly and not put it in a forum

that he can address the statement or issue...directly.

Cheers

Mark







 From: Kevin.-@colorado.edu

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To: stevea-@comcast.net

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Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Chris Horner--sexist

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:18:50 -0600



I think the point is that he was referring to the men's peloton





Quoting sa Long <stevea-@comcast.net>:



 Maybe it wasn't sexist at all. Maybe he was pleasantly surprised and

just happened to say so. I know I would like to see more women out there

racing.



-----Original Message-----

From: Kori Kunz [mailto:kori_-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:20 PM

To: OBRA list

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Chris Horner--sexist





Hey folks,

In case you didn't catch it in the July 26th issue of Velonews

(Vol.33/No.12), I wanted to call your attention to a quote from Chris

Horner regarding the Olympics Team USA Selection Race. It looks like

Mr. Horner didn't take losing gracefully, but his comment "I've never

seen so many women in my life" (p. 20) in reference to the rest of the

male field (and apparently focusing especially on the U.S. Postal

members there) is sexist and offensive. I don't think I need to say

anything more, though I would like to ask him to rethink his comment and

apologize in particular to all of the women in the cycling community who

know when and how to be cooperative or competitive.

Kori Kunz







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Kevin.-@colorado.edu

2004-07-17



I think the point is that he was referring to the men's peloton





Quoting sa Long <stevea-@comcast.net>:



 Maybe it wasn't sexist at all. Maybe he was pleasantly surprised and

just happened to say so. I know I would like to see more women out there

racing.



-----Original Message-----

From: Kori Kunz [mailto:kori_-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:20 PM

To: OBRA list

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Chris Horner--sexist





Hey folks,

In case you didn't catch it in the July 26th issue of Velonews

(Vol.33/No.12), I wanted to call your attention to a quote from Chris

Horner regarding the Olympics Team USA Selection Race. It looks like

Mr. Horner didn't take losing gracefully, but his comment "I've never

seen so many women in my life" (p. 20) in reference to the rest of the

male field (and apparently focusing especially on the U.S. Postal

members there) is sexist and offensive. I don't think I need to say

anything more, though I would like to ask him to rethink his comment and

apologize in particular to all of the women in the cycling community who

know when and how to be cooperative or competitive.

Kori Kunz







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2004-07-17



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Maybe it wasn't sexist at all. Maybe he was pleasantly surprised and

just happened to say so. I know I would like to see more women out there

racing.



-----Original Message-----

From: Kori Kunz [mailto:kori_-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:20 PM

To: OBRA list

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Chris Horner--sexist





Hey folks,

In case you didn't catch it in the July 26th issue of Velonews

(Vol.33/No.12), I wanted to call your attention to a quote from Chris

Horner regarding the Olympics Team USA Selection Race. It looks like

Mr. Horner didn't take losing gracefully, but his comment "I've never

seen so many women in my life" (p. 20) in reference to the rest of the

male field (and apparently focusing especially on the U.S. Postal

members there) is sexist and offensive. I don't think I need to say

anything more, though I would like to ask him to rethink his comment and

apologize in particular to all of the women in the cycling community who

know when and how to be cooperative or competitive.

Kori Kunz







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it wasn't sexist at all. Maybe he was pleasantly surprised and just happened to

say so. I know I would like to see more women out there

racing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Kori Kunz

[mailto:kori_-@yahoo.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:20

PM<BR><B>To:</B> OBRA list<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] Chris

Horner--sexist<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV>Hey folks,</DIV>

<DIV>In case you didn't catch it in the July 26th issue of Velonews

(Vol.33/No.12), I wanted to call your attention to a quote from Chris Horner

regarding the Olympics Team USA Selection Race.  It looks like Mr. Horner

didn't take losing gracefully, but his comment "I've never seen so many

women in my life" (p. 20) in reference to the rest of the male field (and

apparently focusing especially on the U.S. Postal members there) is sexist and

offensive.  I don't think I need to say anything more, though I would

like to ask him to rethink his comment and apologize in particular to all of

the women in the cycling community who know when and how to be

cooperative or competitive.</DIV>

<DIV>Kori Kunz</DIV>

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Hey folks,

In case you didn't catch it in the July 26th issue of Velonews (Vol.33/No.12), I wanted to call your attention to a quote from Chris Horner regarding the Olympics Team USA Selection Race. It looks like Mr. Horner didn't take losing gracefully, but his comment "I've never seen so many women in my life" (p. 20) in reference to the rest of the male field (and apparently focusing especially on the U.S. Postal members there) is sexist and offensive. I don't think I need to say anything more, though I would like to ask him to rethink his comment and apologize in particular to all of the women in the cycling community who know when and how to be cooperative or competitive.

Kori Kunz





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<DIV>Hey folks,</DIV>

<DIV>In case you didn't catch it in the July 26th issue of Velonews (Vol.33/No.12), I wanted to call your attention to a quote from Chris Horner regarding the Olympics Team USA Selection Race.  It looks like Mr. Horner didn't take losing gracefully, but his comment "I've never seen so many women in my life" (p. 20) in reference to the rest of the male field (and apparently focusing especially on the U.S. Postal members there) is sexist and offensive.  I don't think I need to say anything more, though I would like to ask him to rethink his comment and apologize in particular to all of the women in the cycling community who know when and how to be cooperative or competitive.</DIV>

<DIV>Kori Kunz</DIV><p>

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