RE: Lance an athlete: Don't fall for it!

Craig Austin

2004-07-27



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With all due respect to the opinions of everyone getting all worked up by

the article, LET IT GO. By replying to the guy's article and sending umpteen

emails to OBRA and other cycling organizations, you're falling right into

the author's hands. Every year a different sportswriter or website has made

the same claim, thereby rousing the righteous indignation of all us

cyclists, resulting in hundreds or thousands of emails, letters, and phone

calls to the perpetrator's radio station, newspaper, or website. THAT'S WHAT

THEY WRITE THE ARTICLES FOR, DUMMIES. Same thing has happened every year

Lance won; same thing happened when Tiger Woods won four majors in a row.

Same thing happened when Mia Hamm and the women won that soccer game.



No one's ever heard of Mike Imrem before today, but he's smart enough to

know how to get his fifteen minutes of fame, and every email you send his

boss is affirmation that the guy knows how to hit the hot button of the

reader. Today I've been sent nearly a dozen links to the guy's article.

That's readers, website hits, more advertisers, and more money for them.

Hey, if we get mad enough and send enough irate emails, the guy will

undoubtedly get a big raise.



If you want to clog OBRA's emails with rebuttals to the article, go ahead,

but you're not having the effect you want.



Craig



-----Original Message-----

From: Jeff Layton [mailto:in-@site-designs.net]

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:17 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Cc: mim-@dailyherald.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] TOP ATHLETES DON'T RIDE BIKES - Reply to article





Dear Mike Imrem,

                            This is my comment on your article "TOP ATHLETES

DON'T RIDE BIKES " - you don't have a clue. I mean a clue what the sport of

cycling is, what it means to win the Tour de France, or even an Alpine

cycling stage.

Best advice - don't compare sports or athletes, stick to comparing apples to

apples, and get your what ever size rusty-dusty behind on a bike and ride

100 miles (don't worry about riding peleton pace). I think around the twenty

mile mark you will already be re-writing your column. If not, then at 90

miles throw in a 10 mile hill climb and ride that at 18 mph pace, then you

will.



Sincerely,

Jeff Layton



TOP ATHLETES DON'T RIDE BIKES

Daily Herald

July 26, 2004



How thought-provoking over the weekend that the paths of Lance Armstrong and

Ricky Williams crossed halfway around the world from each other.



In France, Armstrong won the Tour de France for a record sixth consecutive

time. From Hawaii, Williams announced his retirement from the NFL.



What this started me thinking about again is the claim Armstrong is the

world's greatest athlete.



I have said this before: Even if Armstrong is the world's most dominant

athlete ever, he's nowhere near the world's greatest athlete.



What does Williams have to do with the equation?



Well, to me the suddenly former Dolphins running back was a better athlete

than Armstrong is. So is anyone who can hit Kerry Wood's curveball or

execute a crossover dribble in Kobe Bryant's face.



Wayne Gretzky was skinny enough in his prime to win the Tour de France.

Dennis Rodman could have if it wouldn't have bored him to death. Alex

Rodriguez would have if there were more money in it.



This isn't personal on my part. A half-hour on a stationary bike is about my

limit. I'd have trouble riding around France for three weeks in a Porsche

unless it was chauffeur-driven.



Back to Williams, the point being anybody who ever carried the football once

in the NFL is a better athlete than even cycling's best ever.



Put it this way: Williams could peddle a bicycle for a couple hours in the

Tour de France but Armstrong couldn't survive a single hit in the NFL.



That doesn't minimize Armstrong's accomplishments. His training regimen

suggests he's superhuman and his cycling record confirms the notion.



But I'm sorry ... neither makes him more athletic than an NFL running back.



Like, it's no surprise Williams announced his retirement the week NFL

training camps begin, because few football players want to go through that.

Nor is it surprising Williams quit after five seasons, because that's as

long as any human being should have to endure the punishment.



It's one thing to tolerate physical agony while sitting on a bicycle. It's

another while angry 300-pounders are slamming into you.



Just imagine the speed, agility and muscle - the athleticism - it takes to

navigate past, around and through people like Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and

Warren Sapp.



Walter Payton did it for 13 seasons. After a couple, he indicated he would

play five total, then go teach hearing-impaired children. Unlike Williams,

however, Payton just kept on keepin' on.



Now, don't you think if Payton applied himself to cycling the way he did to

football - and if it were as financially and emotionally rewarding to

Americans - that he could have become Armstrong?



I mean, if Payton could run up and down that Arlington Heights hill to get

in shape for NFL beatings, don't you think he could have withstood a

cyclist's workouts?



If Ricky Williams stays retired he will be the rare football player - along

with the likes of Jim Brown, Barry Sanders and Robert Smith - with the

strength to both play that brutal game and to leave us wanting more.



Williams wants to explore other interests, fulfill other ambitions and

experience other sensations.



Who knows, he might even take up cycling just for the fun of it and win the

Tour de France just for the heck of it.



If so, he won't be the athlete he was as an NFL running back.



By Mike Imrem

Email: mim-@dailyherald.com

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<DIV><SPAN class=647233516-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>With

all due respect to the opinions of everyone getting all worked up by the

article, LET IT GO. By replying to the guy's article and sending umpteen emails

to OBRA and other cycling organizations, you're falling right into the author's

hands. Every year a different sportswriter or website has made the same claim,

thereby rousing the righteous indignation of all us cyclists, resulting in

hundreds or thousands of emails, letters, and phone calls to the perpetrator's

radio station, newspaper, or website. THAT'S WHAT THEY WRITE THE ARTICLES FOR,

DUMMIES.  Same thing has happened every year Lance won; same thing happened

when Tiger Woods won four majors in a row.  Same thing happened when Mia

Hamm and the women won that soccer game.  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=647233516-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=647233516-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>No

one's ever heard of Mike Imrem before today, but he's smart enough to know how

to get his fifteen minutes of fame, and every email you send his boss is

affirmation that the guy knows how to hit the hot button of the reader. 

Today I've been sent nearly a dozen links to the guy's article.  That's

readers, website hits, more advertisers, and more money for them.  Hey, if

we get mad enough and send enough irate emails, the guy will undoubtedly get a

big raise. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=647233516-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=647233516-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If you

want to clog OBRA's emails with rebuttals to the article, go ahead, but you're

not having the effect you want. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=647233516-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=647233516-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff

size=2>Craig</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma

size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jeff Layton

[mailto:in-@site-designs.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:17

AM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Cc:</B>

mim-@dailyherald.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] TOP ATHLETES DON'T RIDE

BIKES - Reply to article<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV>Dear Mike Imrem,</DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>       

               

    This is my comment on your article "TOP ATHLETES DON'T RIDE

BIKES " - you don't have a clue. I mean a clue what the sport of

cycling is, what it means to win the Tour de France, or even an Alpine cycling

stage.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best advice - don't compare sports or athletes,

stick to comparing apples to apples, and get your what ever

size rusty-dusty behind on a bike and ride 100 miles (don't worry

about riding peleton pace). I think around the twenty mile mark you will

already be re-writing your column. If not, then at 90 miles throw in a 10 mile

hill climb and ride that at 18 mph pace, then you will.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sincerely, <BR>Jeff Layton<BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV>TOP ATHLETES DON'T RIDE BIKES <BR>Daily Herald <BR>July 26, 2004

<BR><BR>How thought-provoking over the weekend that the paths of Lance

Armstrong and Ricky Williams crossed halfway around the world from each other.

<BR><BR>In France, Armstrong won the Tour de France for a record sixth

consecutive time. From Hawaii, Williams announced his retirement from the NFL.

<BR><BR>What this started me thinking about again is the claim Armstrong is

the world's greatest athlete. <BR><BR>I have said this before: Even if

Armstrong is the world's most dominant athlete ever, he's nowhere near the

world's greatest athlete. <BR><BR>What does Williams have to do with the

equation? <BR><BR>Well, to me the suddenly former Dolphins running back was a

better athlete than Armstrong is. So is anyone who can hit Kerry Wood's

curveball or execute a crossover dribble in Kobe Bryant's face. <BR><BR>Wayne

Gretzky was skinny enough in his prime to win the Tour de France. Dennis

Rodman could have if it wouldn't have bored him to death. Alex Rodriguez would

have if there were more money in it. <BR><BR>This isn't personal on my part. A

half-hour on a stationary bike is about my limit. I'd have trouble riding

around France for three weeks in a Porsche unless it was chauffeur-driven.

<BR><BR>Back to Williams, the point being anybody who ever carried the

football once in the NFL is a better athlete than even cycling's best ever.

<BR><BR>Put it this way: Williams could peddle a bicycle for a couple hours in

the Tour de France but Armstrong couldn't survive a single hit in the NFL.

<BR><BR>That doesn't minimize Armstrong's accomplishments. His training

regimen suggests he's superhuman and his cycling record confirms the notion.

<BR><BR>But I'm sorry ... neither makes him more athletic than an NFL running

back. <BR><BR>Like, it's no surprise Williams announced his retirement the

week NFL training camps begin, because few football players want to go through

that. Nor is it surprising Williams quit after five seasons, because that's as

long as any human being should have to endure the punishment. <BR><BR>It's one

thing to tolerate physical agony while sitting on a bicycle. It's another

while angry 300-pounders are slamming into you. <BR><BR>Just imagine the

speed, agility and muscle - the athleticism - it takes to navigate past,

around and through people like Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and Warren Sapp.

<BR><BR>Walter Payton did it for 13 seasons. After a couple, he indicated he

would play five total, then go teach hearing-impaired children. Unlike

Williams, however, Payton just kept on keepin' on. <BR><BR>Now, don't you

think if Payton applied himself to cycling the way he did to football - and if

it were as financially and emotionally rewarding to Americans - that he could

have become Armstrong? <BR><BR>I mean, if Payton could run up and down that

Arlington Heights hill to get in shape for NFL beatings, don't you think he

could have withstood a cyclist's workouts? <BR><BR>If Ricky Williams stays

retired he will be the rare football player - along with the likes of Jim

Brown, Barry Sanders and Robert Smith - with the strength to both play that

brutal game and to leave us wanting more. <BR><BR>Williams wants to explore

other interests, fulfill other ambitions and experience other sensations.

<BR><BR>Who knows, he might even take up cycling just for the fun of it and

win the Tour de France just for the heck of it. <BR><BR>If so, he won't be the

athlete he was as an NFL running back. <BR><BR>By Mike Imrem <BR>Email:

mim-@dailyherald.com </DIV><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org

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