OBRA: OBRA Chat: Speedplay pedal question

JOHN FORBES

2004-08-19

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In my many years of riding Speedplays, the early x2's and x3's and now the Zeros I have never pulled a pedal, never had one mistreat my knee or had one require more than normal upkeep.

For that matter, I fit bikes to people as a living. When a customer has knee or foot problems my 1st suggestion is Speedplays. They give a rider such latitude.

John Forbes

2126 NE 12th Ave.

Portland, OR 97212

503-331-6658

----- Original Message -----

From: kevin maier<mailto:kma-@darkwing.uoregon.edu>

To: ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:10 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

I hate to beat a dead horse, and I hate to make your decision harder,

but I've had miserable luck with Speedplays. After switching to the X3s

upon the recommendation of my local bike shop due to a persistent

patella femoral tracking issue two winters ago, and after blowing out

two pairs (the second in less than two months), I've just switched to

the latest Dura Ace model and I can't say enough about these.

The Dura Ace pedals are simply solid--I feel like I climb and sprint

much more efficiently without the slop (aka "float") of the speedplay,

and I also have had far fewer post-ride sessions with the ice on my

knees since switching in early July. Similarly, I found that speedplays

left the balls of my feet miserable after long rides or hard effots. I

think these are commonly referred to as "hot spots." I was literally

wincing with pain in my feet during every pedal stroke on that finishing

climb at the final stage of Elkhorn (that might have had more to do with

my fitness than my pedals, come to think of it). I remedied this

problem, at least partially, by adding a thinker insole to my SIDIs, but

this also singificantly changed the fit of my shoes.

If you're set on Speedplays, I'd at least steer clear of the X3s. They

have bushings instead of bearings, and these bushings wear out. I'm not

a big guy, at 6'3" 160, and I very rarely push big gears, but I managed

to shred the bushings really quickly, even with regular maintence.

Riding on pedals with damaged bushings--partly out of ignorance and

partly due to lack of funds to get a new set--caused an even more

bizarre knee injury (pes anserine bursitis) that left me unable to do

much beyond spinning on the flats for a few weeks this winter. As I

mentioend before, I went throught the second set of X3s in less than 8

weeks. It also took weeks of cajoling and threatening to get Speedplay

to warranty the product. With an upcoming race, I actually had to buy

the second set of pedals and only later got reimbursed. For the record,

they did warranty both sets in the end, but it took significant pressue

of the propiertor of my local shop to get them to budge.

I hope that doesn't complicate your decision too much, but I thought I

should at least share my experiences.

kevin

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<DIV>In my many years of riding Speedplays, the early x2's and x3's and now the

Zeros I have never pulled a pedal, never had one mistreat my knee or had one

require more than normal upkeep. </DIV>

<DIV>For that matter, I fit bikes to people as a living. When a customer has

knee or foot problems my 1st suggestion is Speedplays. They give a rider

such latitude.</DIV>

<DIV>John Forbes<BR>2126 NE 12th Ave. <BR>Portland, OR

97212<BR>503-331-6658</DIV>

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<DIV><BR></DIV>I hate to beat a dead horse, and I hate to make your decision

harder, <BR>but I've had miserable luck with Speedplays. After switching

to the X3s <BR>upon the recommendation of my local bike shop due to a

persistent <BR>patella femoral tracking issue two winters ago, and after

blowing out <BR>two pairs (the second in less than two months), I've just

switched to <BR>the latest Dura Ace model and I can't say enough about

these. <BR><BR>The Dura Ace pedals are simply solid--I feel like I climb

and sprint <BR>much more efficiently without the slop (aka "float") of the

speedplay, <BR>and I also have had far fewer post-ride sessions with the ice

on my <BR>knees since switching in early July. Similarly, I found that

speedplays <BR>left the balls of my feet miserable after long rides or hard

effots. I <BR>think these are commonly referred to as "hot spots." I was

literally <BR>wincing with pain in my feet during every pedal stroke on that

finishing <BR>climb at the final stage of Elkhorn (that might have had more to

do with <BR>my fitness than my pedals, come to think of it). I remedied

this <BR>problem, at least partially, by adding a thinker insole to my SIDIs,

but <BR>this also singificantly changed the fit of my shoes. <BR><BR>If

you're set on Speedplays, I'd at least steer clear of the X3s. They <BR>have

bushings instead of bearings, and these bushings wear out. I'm not <BR>a

big guy, at 6'3" 160, and I very rarely push big gears, but I managed <BR>to

shred the bushings really quickly, even with regular maintence.

<BR>Riding on pedals with damaged bushings--partly out of ignorance and

<BR>partly due to lack of funds to get a new set--caused an even more

<BR>bizarre knee injury (pes anserine bursitis) that left me unable to do

<BR>much beyond spinning on the flats for a few weeks this winter. As I

<BR>mentioend before, I went throught the second set of X3s in less than 8

<BR>weeks. It also took weeks of cajoling and threatening to get

Speedplay <BR>to warranty the product. With an upcoming race, I actually

had to buy <BR>the second set of pedals and only later got reimbursed.

For the record, <BR>they did warranty both sets in the end, but it took

significant pressue <BR>of the propiertor of my local shop to get them to

budge. <BR><BR>I hope that doesn't complicate your decision too much,

but I thought I <BR>should at least share my

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Mike Murray

2004-08-19

It is interesting how peoples experience can vary. I have not had a failure

of any of the Speedplay pedals that anyone has owned here at my house. This

includes a few that go back to the original all alloy pedal body. I think

regular maintenance may actually cause problems rather than prevent them by

making the seals less tight. Several of the pedals I have NEVER been

greased since purchase. I only grease the ones that I use to ride in the

rain and then only because they actually had water dripping out of them.

The newer ones I have are all X-2 which I guess uses cartridge bearings and

needle bearings as opposed to a Teflon bushing and cartridge bearing. I am

not sure what the original ones used since I have never greased them or

taken them apart. I bought them the first year they came out which from

their web site appears to have been 1989. The original ones are still

running well, although the release is now a bit loose because the alloy

flanges have worn. This problem has been resolved by going to the current

stainless steel "bowtie" design. Between my road bikes and track bikes, and

those of my wife and my son we have at least 10 sets of Speedplays.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: kevin maier [mailto:kma-@darkwing.uoregon.edu]

Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:11 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

I hate to beat a dead horse, and I hate to make your decision harder,

but I've had miserable luck with Speedplays. After switching to the X3s

upon the recommendation of my local bike shop due to a persistent

patella femoral tracking issue two winters ago, and after blowing out

two pairs (the second in less than two months), I've just switched to

the latest Dura Ace model and I can't say enough about these.

The Dura Ace pedals are simply solid--I feel like I climb and sprint

much more efficiently without the slop (aka "float") of the speedplay,

and I also have had far fewer post-ride sessions with the ice on my

knees since switching in early July. Similarly, I found that speedplays

left the balls of my feet miserable after long rides or hard effots. I

think these are commonly referred to as "hot spots." I was literally

wincing with pain in my feet during every pedal stroke on that finishing

climb at the final stage of Elkhorn (that might have had more to do with

my fitness than my pedals, come to think of it). I remedied this

problem, at least partially, by adding a thinker insole to my SIDIs, but

this also singificantly changed the fit of my shoes.

If you're set on Speedplays, I'd at least steer clear of the X3s. They

have bushings instead of bearings, and these bushings wear out. I'm not

a big guy, at 6'3" 160, and I very rarely push big gears, but I managed

to shred the bushings really quickly, even with regular maintence.

Riding on pedals with damaged bushings--partly out of ignorance and

partly due to lack of funds to get a new set--caused an even more

bizarre knee injury (pes anserine bursitis) that left me unable to do

much beyond spinning on the flats for a few weeks this winter. As I

mentioend before, I went throught the second set of X3s in less than 8

weeks. It also took weeks of cajoling and threatening to get Speedplay

to warranty the product. With an upcoming race, I actually had to buy

the second set of pedals and only later got reimbursed. For the record,

they did warranty both sets in the end, but it took significant pressue

of the propiertor of my local shop to get them to budge.

I hope that doesn't complicate your decision too much, but I thought I

should at least share my experiences.

kevin

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kevin maier

2004-08-19

I hate to beat a dead horse, and I hate to make your decision harder,

but I've had miserable luck with Speedplays. After switching to the X3s

upon the recommendation of my local bike shop due to a persistent

patella femoral tracking issue two winters ago, and after blowing out

two pairs (the second in less than two months), I've just switched to

the latest Dura Ace model and I can't say enough about these.

The Dura Ace pedals are simply solid--I feel like I climb and sprint

much more efficiently without the slop (aka "float") of the speedplay,

and I also have had far fewer post-ride sessions with the ice on my

knees since switching in early July. Similarly, I found that speedplays

left the balls of my feet miserable after long rides or hard effots. I

think these are commonly referred to as "hot spots." I was literally

wincing with pain in my feet during every pedal stroke on that finishing

climb at the final stage of Elkhorn (that might have had more to do with

my fitness than my pedals, come to think of it). I remedied this

problem, at least partially, by adding a thinker insole to my SIDIs, but

this also singificantly changed the fit of my shoes.

If you're set on Speedplays, I'd at least steer clear of the X3s. They

have bushings instead of bearings, and these bushings wear out. I'm not

a big guy, at 6'3" 160, and I very rarely push big gears, but I managed

to shred the bushings really quickly, even with regular maintence.

Riding on pedals with damaged bushings--partly out of ignorance and

partly due to lack of funds to get a new set--caused an even more

bizarre knee injury (pes anserine bursitis) that left me unable to do

much beyond spinning on the flats for a few weeks this winter. As I

mentioend before, I went throught the second set of X3s in less than 8

weeks. It also took weeks of cajoling and threatening to get Speedplay

to warranty the product. With an upcoming race, I actually had to buy

the second set of pedals and only later got reimbursed. For the record,

they did warranty both sets in the end, but it took significant pressue

of the propiertor of my local shop to get them to budge.

I hope that doesn't complicate your decision too much, but I thought I

should at least share my experiences.

kevin

Mike Murray

2004-08-18

I have used Speedplays since they first came out and I have few complaints.

The cleats are about the same as any others for walking. I coat the bottom

of the cleats with Shoe Goo which makes for a less slippery walking surface

and keeps the Phillips head mounting screws from wearing out. By doing this

in a fairly compulsive fashion I have some cleats that are 10 years old or

so. The free float is weird when you first get it but seems normal after

just a few rides. Fitting to shoes can be a bit of a PITA since , as others

have noted, the cleat must sit on the shoe well and not get bent by

tightening the screws. If the cleat does bend during tightening then the

spring function will be compromised and will either release too easily (most

common) or not at all (less common). Careful use of the provided shims or

the special mounting adapter for your brand shoes will help. Not reefing

down the mounting screws is also a good idea. I glue them in place with

Elmer's, just like ski binding mounting screws. Another thing I do is put a

piece of thin plastic (usually X-ray film) between the first plate and the

second plate. This keeps dirt out of the mounting screw slots which helps

to keep it out of the springs. 2 problems I have noted. One is that the

cleat is pretty sensitive to dirt so if you are the kind of guy who does a

lot of walking around in your cycling shoes (I don't) then you may have

"issues" with getting dirt in the cleat. The second is that the retention

springs will wear and eventually break, generally at the worst time. I have

broke only 2 since I started using them though. The best thing about them

is they are about the least likely to release inadvertently of all the

pedals on the market. Kilo starts test this well and it is rare to see a

pulled foot with Speedplays but it happens pretty frequently with just about

any other system, including clips and double straps. Probably the only thing

that retains your foot better are the track specific systems that combine

both an SPD spring retention and a toe strap. Those will not release easily

even as they are trying to separate you from your bike so they can load you

in the ambulance.

Mike Murray

Susan Otcenas

2004-08-18

I've been using speedplays just since the beginning of the year. Prior to

that I was using double sided SPD pedals, which I still use on my commuting

bike. The hardest thing for me to get used to was the need to swing my heel

out much farther with the speedplays than with the spd, to get the cleat to

release.

The literature that came with the shoes also spoke about cleat mounting

position. Obviously as your right heel swings out, your toes rotate in

towards the front chain ring. The instructions said that those with long

feet would need to be sure to mount the cleat close enough to the inside of

the foot to ensure that the foot has enough room to rotate and release

before the toe hits the chainring. Not a problem for my women's size 7 feet

but maybe something to think about for men with long feet.

Susan

andrew.-@farmersinsurance.com

2004-08-18

I have used them for about 3 years now and love them. never popped out. The

float is a dream once you get used to it ( takes a few rides). The only

drawback that has been mentioned is if you step off on a shoulder with dirt

you need to really clean them out. I would buy another pair in a heart

beat.

Drew Holmes

Bend, Oregon

Cell Phone 541-280-2107



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                      08/18/2004 08:34         Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

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                      Steve.Long





Good synopsis Chris. All of that is true. However, I have never "yet"

popped

out of them on accident. Also, I have never stayed in them, going down.

That

last part can be pretty important.

To ease the effort required to remove very worn cleats, one has to clean

the

heck out of the phillips head screws before trying to remove them as they

do

get worn.

I have also lost cleat covers walking around in the mud at a cyclo cross

race. Sand and dust are not their friend and the cleat covers save your

cleats under such conditions. Oh yea, they are absolutely nooooooooooo good

in snow. Pre-riding the three summits road race for Mt Hood last year, we

had to walk our bikes through several snow drifts and the snow got into the

springs. What a hassle getting that stuff out. Cleats don't work at all

with

snow inside the springs.

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Clemow [mailto:ccle-@grpmack.com]

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:26 AM

To: tmcle-@hotmail.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

In addition to the other responses I can add this:

I have used the pedals since '96 and highly recommend them.

You get used to the float - in fact, I now find it preferable.

Occasionally,

and it happens to me in sprints, my foot mysteriously comes out - I'm not

sure of the cause but I suspect I twist my foot a bit too much. When

walking, the metal parts can be waaaaaaaaaaaaay slick on hard surfaces. As

noted by others - they wear at the mounting points when walking on them and

can be difficult to change as a result. Also - the spring flex areas can

get filled in with mud/dirt/junk preventing easy clipping in and out. After

cleaning dirt and junk out of them for years - I HIGHLY recommend using the

cleat covers when walking around. I think they are called "Coffee covers"

or something like that. These covers stay on (unlike some other cleat

covers), keep the junk out, reduce walking wear, and make them less

slippery

on hard surfaces.

   T McLeod <tmcle-@hotmail.com> 8/17/2004 8:53:23 AM >>>

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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Steve-@clark.wa.gov

2004-08-18

Good synopsis Chris. All of that is true. However, I have never "yet" popped

out of them on accident. Also, I have never stayed in them, going down. That

last part can be pretty important.

To ease the effort required to remove very worn cleats, one has to clean the

heck out of the phillips head screws before trying to remove them as they do

get worn.

I have also lost cleat covers walking around in the mud at a cyclo cross

race. Sand and dust are not their friend and the cleat covers save your

cleats under such conditions. Oh yea, they are absolutely nooooooooooo good

in snow. Pre-riding the three summits road race for Mt Hood last year, we

had to walk our bikes through several snow drifts and the snow got into the

springs. What a hassle getting that stuff out. Cleats don't work at all with

snow inside the springs.

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Clemow [mailto:ccle-@grpmack.com]

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:26 AM

To: tmcle-@hotmail.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

In addition to the other responses I can add this:

I have used the pedals since '96 and highly recommend them.

You get used to the float - in fact, I now find it preferable. Occasionally,

and it happens to me in sprints, my foot mysteriously comes out - I'm not

sure of the cause but I suspect I twist my foot a bit too much. When

walking, the metal parts can be waaaaaaaaaaaaay slick on hard surfaces. As

noted by others - they wear at the mounting points when walking on them and

can be difficult to change as a result. Also - the spring flex areas can

get filled in with mud/dirt/junk preventing easy clipping in and out. After

cleaning dirt and junk out of them for years - I HIGHLY recommend using the

cleat covers when walking around. I think they are called "Coffee covers"

or something like that. These covers stay on (unlike some other cleat

covers), keep the junk out, reduce walking wear, and make them less slippery

on hard surfaces.

T McLeod <tmcle-@hotmail.com> 8/17/2004 8:53:23 AM >>>

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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Chris Clemow

2004-08-18

In addition to the other responses I can add this:

I have used the pedals since '96 and highly recommend them.

You get used to the float - in fact, I now find it preferable.

Occasionally, and it happens to me in sprints, my foot mysteriously

comes out - I'm not sure of the cause but I suspect I twist my foot a

bit too much.

When walking, the metal parts can be waaaaaaaaaaaaay slick on hard

surfaces.

As noted by others - they wear at the mounting points when walking on

them and can be difficult to change as a result. Also - the spring flex

areas can get filled in with mud/dirt/junk preventing easy clipping in

and out.

After cleaning dirt and junk out of them for years - I HIGHLY recommend

using the cleat covers when walking around. I think they are called

"Coffee covers" or something like that. These covers stay on (unlike

some other cleat covers), keep the junk out, reduce walking wear, and

make them less slippery on hard surfaces.

T McLeod <tmcle-@hotmail.com> 8/17/2004 8:53:23 AM >>>

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal

has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to

breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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stevea-@comcast.net

2004-08-18

I've never broken a spring in them and I've been using them for years.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:14 PM

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

The cleat wears pretty well but should be replaced at least every year

if not twice a year. sometimes the spring can break. Take spares to the

races with you. I used the "X" pedals for years with no trouble until

one day while while doing a sprint interval I spazzed and twisted my

foot about 40 degrees while under full load. Result: damaged meniscus

tendon and no riding for 3 months followed by little, easy, flat, low

gear rides for another several weeks. For that reason I would opt for

the twist limiting "Zero" pedals.

----- Original Message -----

From: "T McLeod" <tmcle-@hotmail.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:53 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal

has great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset

the advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to

breakage when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X

series pedals something that you get used to quickly or does it stay

annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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Becky Walter

2004-08-17

Just info, but I've been using SP for 5 years and have never had a

problem. Cleats last me 3 years or 15K+ miles without trouble. Just me

Troy

On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:13 PM, Dan H wrote:

The cleat wears pretty well but should be replaced at least every year

if

not twice a year. sometimes the spring can break. Take spares to the

races

with you.

I used the "X" pedals for years with no trouble until one day while

while

doing a sprint interval I spazzed and twisted my foot about 40 degrees

while

under full load. Result: damaged meniscus tendon and no riding for 3

months

followed by little, easy, flat, low gear rides for another several

weeks.

For that reason I would opt for the twist limiting "Zero" pedals.

----- Original Message -----

From: "T McLeod" <tmcle-@hotmail.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:53 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the

pedal has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to

breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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Dan H

2004-08-17

The cleat wears pretty well but should be replaced at least every year if

not twice a year. sometimes the spring can break. Take spares to the races

with you.

I used the "X" pedals for years with no trouble until one day while while

doing a sprint interval I spazzed and twisted my foot about 40 degrees while

under full load. Result: damaged meniscus tendon and no riding for 3 months

followed by little, easy, flat, low gear rides for another several weeks.

For that reason I would opt for the twist limiting "Zero" pedals.

----- Original Message -----

From: "T McLeod" <tmcle-@hotmail.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:53 AM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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Brad Cockman, DC

2004-08-17

Get them. They're great. No worries.

.David.Auker. wrote:

I'll chip in an a-ok on all that Ron said, except the "I find it no

problem

to walk around in them" part. True, they are not a huge mass under the

shoe, but the mounting bolt heads are quite exposed there, and they are

just

little Phillips-headed units that won't work so great with too much

scuffing.

A word on mounting: unlike most cleats that you want to cinch down quite

tightly, these have a limit, past which you are messing with the freedom

of

the spring (and that ain't good). I don't see it as a problem, as they

can

still be plenty snug, but just something to be aware of.

Very nice pedal for criteriums, both in quick entry and cornering

clearance

(if you scrape these, you're going to scrape anything!).

(btw, My favorite "scrapping pedal" is Time, as the contact point, if

hit,

is not at the pedal's axle, but well behind, so there is a

"rocking/give"

when hit, and it's not a direct blow to the bike's stability.)

David

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Feldman" <rondfe-@netscape.net>

To: <tmcle-@hotmail.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:55 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

I can tell you that I have used Speedplay pedals for over 3 years now

and will never change to another pedal system. I ued the X-3 pedals for

track, Road, And TT and found them to be very easy to adjust to from SPD

pedals.I upgraded to the Zero series due to a knee injury last year and

found the adjustable float to work great. Even though the cleat system

looks

large the stack height is relativley low to aid in cornering. I find it

no

problem to walk around in them.

Ron

T McLeod <tmcle-@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal

has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to

breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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.David.Auker.

2004-08-17

I'll chip in an a-ok on all that Ron said, except the "I find it no problem

to walk around in them" part. True, they are not a huge mass under the

shoe, but the mounting bolt heads are quite exposed there, and they are just

little Phillips-headed units that won't work so great with too much

scuffing.

A word on mounting: unlike most cleats that you want to cinch down quite

tightly, these have a limit, past which you are messing with the freedom of

the spring (and that ain't good). I don't see it as a problem, as they can

still be plenty snug, but just something to be aware of.

Very nice pedal for criteriums, both in quick entry and cornering clearance

(if you scrape these, you're going to scrape anything!).

(btw, My favorite "scrapping pedal" is Time, as the contact point, if hit,

is not at the pedal's axle, but well behind, so there is a "rocking/give"

when hit, and it's not a direct blow to the bike's stability.)

David

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ron Feldman" <rondfe-@netscape.net>

To: <tmcle-@hotmail.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:55 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Speedplay pedal question

I can tell you that I have used Speedplay pedals for over 3 years now

and will never change to another pedal system. I ued the X-3 pedals for

track, Road, And TT and found them to be very easy to adjust to from SPD

pedals.I upgraded to the Zero series due to a knee injury last year and

found the adjustable float to work great. Even though the cleat system looks

large the stack height is relativley low to aid in cornering. I find it no

problem to walk around in them.

Ron

T McLeod <tmcle-@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal

has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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Ron Feldman

2004-08-17

I can tell you that I have used Speedplay pedals for over 3 years now

and will never change to another pedal system. I ued the X-3 pedals for track, Road, And TT and found them to be very easy to adjust to from SPD pedals.I upgraded to the Zero series due to a knee injury last year and found the adjustable float to work great. Even though the cleat system looks large the stack height is relativley low to aid in cornering. I find it no problem to walk around in them.

Ron

T McLeod <tmcle-@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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T McLeod

2004-08-17

I'm considering getting some Speedplay pedals and looking for

advice/recommendations from those who have used them. I know the pedal has

great cornering clearance but does the size of the cleat offset the

advantage? Is the cleat awkwardly large when walking or prone to breakage

when walking? Is the glassy free float feeling in the X series pedals

something that you get used to quickly or does it stay annoying?

Thanks for your help,

Terry

ltmc-@imbris.net

tmcle-@hotmail.com

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