Luciano

As a ex-marine mine was not to question the motives of politicians only to

serve as they order. In vietnam era many men sacrificed there lives in the

name of LBJ's drug trade I don't think the people or congressmen not

involved in the trade voted for these men to make a sacrifice in the name of

greed but it happened.

----- Original Message -----

From: "snjr" <sn-@charter.net>

To: <ride-@hotmail.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:09 PM

Subject: OT: Busted Bicycle Riders





 Luciano wrote:

 By the way at the cost of one US soldier per day since the start of the

Iraq Oil Takeover and you >thought gas prices where high.



To think our entire Congress voted for a war in Iraq simply over oil is

remarkable. I guess we are all culpable, as I am unaware of anyone on

this

 forum who does not use oil, or oil related products and our elected

representatives voted for the war on our behalf. To think these fine men

and women in uniform are leaving their families, jobs, and perhaps losing

their lives so that we may have more oil is unbearable.



Perhaps we should impeach Congress?



Richard Randleman

Luciano bailey

Easy not all of us critical massers are morons nor are cival rights

protesters, or anti war demonstrators the truth of the matter is the

infringement for me is daily I am forced to breathe the emissions of others

who no longer need just transportation but social statements and rolling

entertainment centers so if the who petroleum sucking world has to pause for

a minute it's ok by me.By the way at the cost of one US soldier per day

since the start of the Iraq Oil Takeover and you thought gas prices where

high.





 From: snjr <sn-@charter.net>

Reply-To: sn-@charter.net

To: Edward Lanton <anqu-@yahoo.com>, ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:49:26 -0700



Ed said: "Of course, there have been times when content neutral

restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your

statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright

stupid."



Actually, Ed, your inability to read a post without responding emotionally

is STUPID, but typical of a reactionary. Please read my post again and

tell me where I said the first amendment does not protect protest. Here is

what I said;



"BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right

to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to

peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights."



Even in your own examples, the word "protest" doesn't appear. I suppose

you also believe we live in a democracy?



The fact is, WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST. WE POSSES A RIGHT TO

PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT ONE CAN PEACEFULLY PROTEST? SURE

BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE OUR RIGHT A "RIGHT TO PROTEST" NOR IMPEDE TRAFFIC, OR

HIT SOMEONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH LIKE SO MANY "PROTESTERS" APPARENTLY

BELIEVE.



The reason using phrases like "right to protest" is so STUPID and dangerous

is because people like the critical mass morons decide that "protest" means

aggressive in your face behavior which it clearly does not.



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Just an observation, "filling-up bandwidth" is similar to critical mass.

In the sense that it's antisocial method grabs attention away from

traditional protest and political action. In my opinion, critical mass

is self serving, counter productive and hurts me as a cyclist.







OBRA member in standing,







Brian







-----Original Message-----

From: Doug Evans [mailto:Dou-@sprbrk.com]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:08 AM

To: davidd-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders







He stated that his goal is to fill up bandwidth so that this list would

be useless. I think that is reason enough to have him removed.







Please remove him.



-----Original Message-----

From: David Diviney [mailto:davidd-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:05 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders



Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be active on this list, I move

to have him stripped of his yahoo group access. All in favor, fill up

bandwidth with a resounding "aye!" and shut this guy up!



Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org> wrote:



In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to

actually

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not

done

this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member

of

OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

points of view are.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear

retributions

in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



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is similar to critical mass.  In the sense that it’s antisocial

method grabs attention away from traditional protest and political action. 

In my opinion, critical mass is self serving, counter productive and hurts me

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Doug Evans

[mailto:Dou-@sprbrk.com] <br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday,

September 01, 2004</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span

style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font

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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> davidd-@yahoo.com;

ob-@topica.com<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted

Bicycle Riders</span></font></p>



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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span

style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>He stated that his goal

is to fill up bandwidth so that this list would be useless.  I think that

is reason enough to have him removed.</span></font></p>



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Message-----<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> David Diviney

[mailto:davidd-@yahoo.com]<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday,

September 01, 2004</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span

style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font

size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>9:05 AM</span></font><font

size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ob-@topica.com<br>

<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted

Bicycle Riders</span></font></p>



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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be

active on this list, I move to have him stripped of  his

yahoo group access.  All in favor, fill up bandwidth with a

resounding "aye!" and shut this guy up!<br>

<br>

<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Mike Murray

<mike.m-@obra.org></span></i></b> wrote: </span></font></p>



<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span

style='font-size:12.0pt'>In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr

would need to actually<br>

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not done<br>

this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member of<br>

OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your<br>

points of view are.<br>

<br>

Mike Murray<br>

<br>

-----Original Message-----<br>

From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]<br>

Sent: </span></font>Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM<br>

To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com<br>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders<br>

<br>

<br>

Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear retributions<br>

in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)<br>

<br>

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I say "snjr" put your money where your mouth is and pay up for

membership to OBRA.<br>

<br>

Or if you dont want to do that, just go and write your crap else where.<br>

<br>

And I just pray I dont have to ride next to you in a long road race and

listen to all the crap that comes out of your mouth.<br>

<br>

<br>

David Diviney wrote:<br>

<blockquote cite="mid1722159776-1463-@boing.topica.com"

type="cite">

<div>

<div>Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be active on this

list, I move to have him stripped of  his yahoo group access.  All in

favor, fill up bandwidth with a resounding "aye!" and shut this guy up!<br>

<br>

<b><i>Mike Murray <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mike.m-@obra.org">mike.m-@obra.org</a>></i></b> wrote:

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style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">In

order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually<br>

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not

done<br>

this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a

member of<br>

OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your<br>

points of view are.<br>

    <br>

Mike Murray<br>

    <br>

-----Original Message-----<br>

From: snjr [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:sn-@charter.net">mailto:sn-@charter.net</a>]<br>

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM<br>

To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Comotion-@aol.com">Comotion-@aol.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joshwi-@yahoo.com">joshwi-@yahoo.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</a><br>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders<br>

    <br>

    <br>

Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear

retributions<br>

in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)<br>

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SNJR,

I thought you wanted to keep politics off of this list? Now you're

hawking Nader?



-MRW





On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:04:02 -0700, snjr <sn-@charter.net> wrote:

 Actually, I have been too busy to race this year as I am trying to get Ralph

Nader on the ballot in Oregon. It has been very difficult with so much

"Democrat democracy" going on. Did you know Ralph rides mountain bikes too,

only he doesn't crash as much as Bush and Kerry.









----- Original Message -----

From: <Steve-@clark.wa.gov>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:56 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders



 I have heard that an empty barrel does make the loudest noise. Perhaps

it's

 true afterall...



-----Original Message-----

From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:52 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not

done

 this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member

of

 OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

points of view are.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear

retributions

 in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



----- Original Message -----

From: <Comotion-@aol.com>

To: <sn-@charter.net>; <joshwi-@yahoo.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





 I know who snjr is, and if he doesn't send me 50 bucks in a plain

brown envelope, I am going to squeal.



-sal

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Doug:



You wouldn't want to infringe on my "right to protest" would you?



I was simply using the bandwidth as an illustration of how inconsiderate the Critical Mass and other illegal forms of protest are. I wouldn't try to shut down this list, it serves a great purpose when it is used responsibly and respectfully.



TO ALL:

I will stop my campaign against the off-topic/political posts. The way we could collectively stop the off-topic/political posts is to let people know you don't appreciate them and to stop.



Much like critical mass, it is unfair for me to monopolize this forum with BS posts.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Doug:</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You wouldn't want to infringe on my "right to

protest" would you?  </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was simply using the bandwidth as an

illustration of how inconsiderate the Critical Mass and other illegal forms

of protest are.  </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wouldn't try to shut down

this list, it serves a great purpose when it is used responsibly and

respectfully.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TO ALL: </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I will stop my campaign against the

off-topic/political posts.  The way we could collectively stop the

off-topic/political posts is to let people know you don't appreciate them

and to stop.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

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<big><big><big><b>snjr</b></big></big></big><br>

<br>

PLEASE JUST SHUT UP AND GO AWAY AND DO WHAT EVER YOU DO .. Just don't

run for president any day soon. Oh in England they have a party called

the "Raving Loony Party" thats all you I think.<br>

<br>

<br>

Yes Block Caps were used :-)<br>

<br>

snjr wrote:<br>

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type="cite">

<pre wrap="">Actually, I have been too busy to race this year as I am trying to get Ralph

Nader on the ballot in Oregon. It has been very difficult with so much

"Democrat democracy" going on. Did you know Ralph rides mountain bikes too,

only he doesn't crash as much as Bush and Kerry.





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To: <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</a>>

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:56 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





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    <pre wrap="">true afterall...



-----Original Message-----

From: Mike Murray [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mike.m-@obra.org">mailto:mike.m-@obra.org</a>]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:52 AM

To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</a>

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not

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    <pre wrap="">this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member

    </pre>

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    <pre wrap="">OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

points of view are.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: snjr [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:sn-@charter.net">mailto:sn-@charter.net</a>]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Comotion-@aol.com">Comotion-@aol.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joshwi-@yahoo.com">joshwi-@yahoo.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</a>

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear

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</pre>

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    <pre wrap="">in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



----- Original Message -----

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To: <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sn-@charter.net">sn-@charter.net</a>>; <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joshwi-@yahoo.com">joshwi-@yahoo.com</a>>; <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</a>>

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





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      <pre wrap="">I know who snjr is, and if he doesn't send me 50 bucks in a plain

brown envelope, I am going to squeal.



-sal



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Actually, I have been too busy to race this year as I am trying to get Ralph

Nader on the ballot in Oregon. It has been very difficult with so much

"Democrat democracy" going on. Did you know Ralph rides mountain bikes too,

only he doesn't crash as much as Bush and Kerry.





----- Original Message -----

From: <Steve-@clark.wa.gov>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:56 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





 I have heard that an empty barrel does make the loudest noise. Perhaps

it's

 true afterall...



-----Original Message-----

From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:52 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not

done

 this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member

of

 OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

points of view are.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear

retributions

 in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



----- Original Message -----

From: <Comotion-@aol.com>

To: <sn-@charter.net>; <joshwi-@yahoo.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





 I know who snjr is, and if he doesn't send me 50 bucks in a plain

brown envelope, I am going to squeal.



-sal

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He stated that his goal is to fill up bandwidth so that this list would be useless. I think that is reason enough to have him removed.



Please remove him.



-----Original Message-----

From: David Diviney [mailto:davidd-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:05 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be active on this list, I move to have him stripped of his yahoo group access. All in favor, fill up bandwidth with a resounding "aye!" and shut this guy up!



Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org> wrote:



In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not done

this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member of

OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

points of view are.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear retributions

in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



----- Original Message -----

From:

To: ; ;

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<DIV><SPAN class=804230616-01092004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>He

stated that his goal is to fill up bandwidth so that this list would be

useless.  I think that is reason enough to have him

removed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=804230616-01092004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Please

remove him.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma

size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> David Diviney

[mailto:davidd-@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 01, 2004

9:05 AM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat]

Busted Bicycle Riders<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be active on this list,

I move to have him stripped of  his yahoo group

access.  All in favor, fill up bandwidth with a resounding "aye!"

and shut this guy up!<BR><BR><B><I>Mike Murray

<mike.m-@obra.org></I></B> wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq

style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">In

    order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to

    actually<BR>BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he

    has not done<BR>this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even

    become a member of<BR>OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe,

    no mater what your<BR>points of view are.<BR><BR>Mike

    Murray<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: snjr

    [mailto:sn-@charter.net]<BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14

    AM<BR>To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com;

    ob-@topica.com<BR>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle

    Riders<BR><BR><BR>Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I

    fear retributions<BR>in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of

    speech. : -)<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From:

    <COMOTION-@AOL.COM><BR>To: <SN-@CHARTER.NET>;

    <JOSHWI-@YAHOO.COM>;

    <HR SIZE=1>

    Do you Yahoo!?<BR>Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! <A

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Ohhh, that's typical. I exercise my right to protest and now you want to shut me up? That's just wrong man.

----- Original Message -----

From: David Diviney

To: ob-@topica.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:04 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be active on this list, I move to have him stripped of his yahoo group access. All in favor, fill up bandwidth with a resounding "aye!" and shut this guy up!



Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org> wrote:

    In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually

    BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not done

    this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member of

    OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

    points of view are.



    Mike Murray



    -----Original Message-----

    From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]

    Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

    To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

    Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





    Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear retributions

    in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



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    From:

    To: ; ;

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ohhh, that's typical.  I exercise my right to

protest and now you want to shut me up?  That's just wrong

man.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV

style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>

<A title=dav-@yahoo.com href="mailto:davidd-@yahoo.com">David

Diviney</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:04

AM</DIV>

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Riders</DIV>

<DIV><BR></DIV>

<DIV>

<DIV>Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be active on this list,

I move to have him stripped of  his yahoo group

access.  All in favor, fill up bandwidth with a resounding "aye!"

and shut this guy up!<BR><BR><B><I>Mike Murray <<A

href="mailto:mike.m-@obra.org">mike.m-@obra.org</A>></I></B> wrote:



<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq

style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">In

    order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to

    actually<BR>BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he

    has not done<BR>this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even

    become a member of<BR>OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe,

    no mater what your<BR>points of view are.<BR><BR>Mike

    Murray<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: snjr

    [mailto:sn-@charter.net]<BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14

    AM<BR>To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com;

    ob-@topica.com<BR>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle

    Riders<BR><BR><BR>Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I

    fear retributions<BR>in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of

    speech. : -)<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From:

    <COMOTION-@AOL.COM><BR>To: <SN-@CHARTER.NET>;

    <JOSHWI-@YAHOO.COM>;

    <HR SIZE=1>

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Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be active on this list, I move to have him stripped of his yahoo group access. All in favor, fill up bandwidth with a resounding "aye!" and shut this guy up!



Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org> wrote: In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not done

this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member of

OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

points of view are.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear retributions

in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



----- Original Message -----

From:

To: ; ;

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





 I know who snjr is, and if he doesn't send me 50 bucks in a plain brown

envelope, I am going to squeal.



-sal

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<DIV>Since he hasn't paid for the privilege to be active on this list, I move to have him stripped of  his yahoo group access.  All in favor, fill up bandwidth with a resounding "aye!" and shut this guy up!<BR><BR><B><I>Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org></I></B> wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually<BR>BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not done<BR>this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member of<BR>OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your<BR>points of view are.<BR><BR>Mike Murray<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]<BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM<BR>To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com<BR>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders<BR><BR><BR>Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear retributions<BR>in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: <COMOTION-@AOL.COM><BR>To: <SN-@CHARTER.NET>; <JOSHWI-@YAHOO.COM>;

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I have heard that an empty barrel does make the loudest noise. Perhaps it's

true afterall...



-----Original Message-----

From: Mike Murray [mailto:mike.m-@obra.org]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:52 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not done

this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member of

OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

points of view are.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear retributions

in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



----- Original Message -----

From: <Comotion-@aol.com>

To: <sn-@charter.net>; <joshwi-@yahoo.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





 I know who snjr is, and if he doesn't send me 50 bucks in a plain

brown envelope, I am going to squeal.



-sal

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Mike Murray

In order to suffer retributions in the peloton snjr would need to actually

BE in a peloton, i.e. ride a race, something that it appears he has not done

this year. In fact, it also appears that he has not even become a member of

OBRA this year. So don't worry. I think you are safe, no mater what your

points of view are.



Mike Murray



-----Original Message-----

From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 06:14 AM

To: Comotion-@aol.com; joshwi-@yahoo.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear retributions

in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



----- Original Message -----

From: <Comotion-@aol.com>

To: <sn-@charter.net>; <joshwi-@yahoo.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





 I know who snjr is, and if he doesn't send me 50 bucks in a plain brown

envelope, I am going to squeal.



-sal

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Well, it's easy enough to block e-mails from individuals that you find

either objectionable or just plain irritating for whatever reason. In

Outlook, just create a rule and have Outlook delete the message as soon as

it arrives. You have to have the person in your personal address book to do

this but that's easy too. Just right click on the sender's name and click

Add to Personal Address Book.



Steps:

Add sender to personal address book

Click on Tools/Rules Wizard

Click New

In the Rule Description portion of the window, click the People or

Distribution List link

Select Personal Address Book from the Show Names from Drop down list

Click Next

Click Next

Click the delete it check box in the What do you want to do with the message

list

When you click Next, a message box will pop up telling you a Value in the

Rule Description has not been set

Click OK

Click Back

Click Next

Uncheck the move it to the specified folder item

Click Next

Click Next

Click Finish

Click OK



Now, you'll never even know when the objectionable or irritating messenger

sends out another one of their loud, boisterous messages.

So much for freedom of speech eh? Yes, they do still have freedom of speech,

if you call yelling in an empty tunnel freedom of speech. Yippee for modern

technology.



-----Original Message-----

From: Josh Wiggins [mailto:joshwi-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:02 PM

To: sn-@charter.net; OBRA

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders







Hey "snjr"   Do you have a name or do you just not want to link your OBRA

posts to your name.



I must say I'm amazed how many people tonight at PIR were talking about who

is "snjr" that's writting all these emails.

Come on let people know who "snjr" is.



Oh and BTW if you need some help setting your email up so it shows your name

when you send emails, I am sure there are lots of us that can help you.















snjr wrote:





Ed said: "Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions

have been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that

the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid."



Actually, Ed, your inability to read a post without responding emotionally

is STUPID, but typical of a reactionary. Please read my post again and tell

me where I said the first amendment does not protect protest. Here is what

I said;



"BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right

to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to

peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights."



Even in your own examples, the word "protest" doesn't appear. I suppose you

also believe we live in a democracy?



The fact is, WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST. WE POSSES A RIGHT TO

PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT ONE CAN PEACEFULLY PROTEST? SURE

BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE OUR RIGHT A "RIGHT TO PROTEST" NOR IMPEDE TRAFFIC, OR

HIT SOMEONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH LIKE SO MANY "PROTESTERS" APPARENTLY

BELIEVE.



The reason using phrases like "right to protest" is so STUPID and dangerous

is because people like the critical mass morons decide that "protest" means

aggressive in your face behavior which it clearly does not.





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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Josh Wiggins

[mailto:joshwi-@yahoo.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:02

PM<BR><B>To:</B> sn-@charter.net; OBRA<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat]

Busted Bicycle Riders<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR>Hey "snjr"   Do you

have a name or do you just not want to link your OBRA posts to your

name.<BR><BR>I must say I'm amazed how many people tonight at PIR were talking

about who is "snjr" that's writting all these emails.<BR>Come on let people

know who  "snjr" is.<BR><BR>Oh and BTW if you need some help setting your

email up so it shows your name when you send emails, I am sure there are lots

of us that can help you.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>snjr wrote:<BR>

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    <DIV>Ed said: "Of course, there have been times when content neutral

    restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your

    statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright

    stupid." </DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>Actually, Ed, your inability to read a post without responding

    emotionally is STUPID, but typical of a reactionary.  Please read

    my post again and tell me where I said the first amendment does not protect

    protest.  Here is what I said; </DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with

    the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so

    ignorant.  Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble,

    not PROTEST, </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>or infringe upon

    other people's rights."</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even in your own examples, the word

    "protest" doesn't appear.  I suppose you also believe we live in a

    democracy?</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The fact is, WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO

    PROTEST.  WE POSSES A RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE.  DOES

    THAT MEAN THAT ONE CAN PEACEFULLY PROTEST? SURE BUT THAT DOESN'T

    MAKE OUR RIGHT A "RIGHT TO PROTEST" NOR IMPEDE TRAFFIC, OR HIT SOMEONE

    YOU DON'T AGREE WITH LIKE SO MANY "PROTESTERS" APPARENTLY

    BELIEVE.</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The reason using phrases like "right to

    protest" is so STUPID and dangerous is because people like the

    critical mass morons decide that "protest"

    means aggressive in your face behavior which it clearly does

    not.  </FONT></DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

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snjr

Do you take PAYPAL? Please don't disclose my identity, I fear retributions

in the peleton for exercising my right to freedom of speech. : -)



----- Original Message -----

From: <Comotion-@aol.com>

To: <sn-@charter.net>; <joshwi-@yahoo.com>; <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





 I know who snjr is, and if he doesn't send me 50 bucks in a plain brown

envelope, I am going to squeal.



-sal

Comotion-@aol.com

I know who snjr is, and if he doesn't send me 50 bucks in a plain brown

envelope, I am going to squeal.



-sal

snjr

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I must remain anonymous so I can maintain my "right to protest." You can call me Rude if you must label me as that is my given family name.



Thanks for your concern.



Rude

----- Original Message -----

From: Josh Wiggins

To: sn-@charter.net ; OBRA

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders







Hey "snjr"   Do you have a name or do you just not want to link your OBRA posts to your name.



I must say I'm amazed how many people tonight at PIR were talking about who is "snjr" that's writting all these emails.

Come on let people know who "snjr" is.



Oh and BTW if you need some help setting your email up so it shows your name when you send emails, I am sure there are lots of us that can help you.















snjr wrote:



    Ed said: "Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid."



    Actually, Ed, your inability to read a post without responding emotionally is STUPID, but typical of a reactionary. Please read my post again and tell me where I said the first amendment does not protect protest. Here is what I said;



    "BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights."



    Even in your own examples, the word "protest" doesn't appear. I suppose you also believe we live in a democracy?



    The fact is, WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST. WE POSSES A RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT ONE CAN PEACEFULLY PROTEST? SURE BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE OUR RIGHT A "RIGHT TO PROTEST" NOR IMPEDE TRAFFIC, OR HIT SOMEONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH LIKE SO MANY "PROTESTERS" APPARENTLY BELIEVE.



    The reason using phrases like "right to protest" is so STUPID and dangerous is because people like the critical mass morons decide that "protest" means aggressive in your face behavior which it clearly does not.



      

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I must remain anonymous so I can maintain my

"right to protest."  You can call me Rude if you must label me as that is

my given family name.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for your concern.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rude</FONT></DIV>

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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>

<A title=jos-@yahoo.com href="mailto:joshwi-@yahoo.com">Josh

Wiggins</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title-@charter.net

href="mailto:sn-@charter.net">sn-@charter.net</A> ; <A title-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">OBRA</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:01

PM</DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle

Riders</DIV>

<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Hey "snjr"   Do you have a name or do you just

not want to link your OBRA posts to your name.<BR><BR>I must say I'm amazed

how many people tonight at PIR were talking about who is "snjr" that's

writting all these emails.<BR>Come on let people know who  "snjr"

is.<BR><BR>Oh and BTW if you need some help setting your email up so it shows

your name when you send emails, I am sure there are lots of us that can help

you.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>snjr wrote:<BR>

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    <DIV>Ed said: "Of course, there have been times when content neutral

    restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your

    statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright

    stupid." </DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV>Actually, Ed, your inability to read a post without responding

    emotionally is STUPID, but typical of a reactionary.  Please read

    my post again and tell me where I said the first amendment does not protect

    protest.  Here is what I said; </DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with

    the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so

    ignorant.  Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble,

    not PROTEST, </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>or infringe upon

    other people's rights."</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even in your own examples, the word

    "protest" doesn't appear.  I suppose you also believe we live in a

    democracy?</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The fact is, WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO

    PROTEST.  WE POSSES A RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE.  DOES

    THAT MEAN THAT ONE CAN PEACEFULLY PROTEST? SURE BUT THAT DOESN'T

    MAKE OUR RIGHT A "RIGHT TO PROTEST" NOR IMPEDE TRAFFIC, OR HIT SOMEONE

    YOU DON'T AGREE WITH LIKE SO MANY "PROTESTERS" APPARENTLY

    BELIEVE.</FONT></DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The reason using phrases like "right to

    protest" is so STUPID and dangerous is because people like the

    critical mass morons decide that "protest"

    means aggressive in your face behavior which it clearly does

    not.  </FONT></DIV>

    <DIV> </DIV>

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Dan. You are confusing the issue. First the statement was that the first amendment doesn't protect protest. That is patently wrong.



Yours is a slightly different issue, alluded to in my last paragraph regarding the ability of government to place limited restraints on protest. But, as noted in the opinion cited, the governments right to even require a permit is limited. And, surprise, surprise, there are plenty of instances where the government has been found to have exceeded those limits.







Dan H <br-@politesociety.com> wrote:

Ed, if those guys had a permit to assemble the cops would have been protecting them.

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From: Edward Lanton

To: sn-@charter.net ; ob-@topica.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:22 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders





Rude Dog. It is your ignorance of your own constitution that's stunning. One of the principal purposes of the first amendment is precisely to protect the right to "PROTEST". You may recall that one of the major complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)



Even an arch conservative such as Sandra Day O'Connor would disagree with you, stating, as she does for the majority in Boos vs. Barry 485 U.S. 312 (1988) overturning a law banning protests within 500 feet of a foreign embassy:



". . .   the First Amendment reflects a "profound national commitment" to the principle that "debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open," New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254, 270 (1964), and have consistently commented on the central importance of protecting speech on public issues. See, e. g., Connick v. Myers, 461 U. S. 138, 145 (1983); NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co., 458 U. S. 886, 913 (1982); Carey v. Brown, supra, at 467. This has led us to scrutinize carefully any restrictions on public issue picketing. See, e. g., United States v. Grace, 461 U. S. 171 (1983); Carey v. Brown, supra; Police Department of Chicago v. Mosley, 408 U. S. 92 (1972).



". . . such speech on public streets and sidewalks, [are] traditional public fora that "time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions." Hague v. CIO, 307 U. S. 496, 515 (1939) (Roberts, J.). HN2In such places, which occupy a "special position in terms of First Amendment protection," United States v. Grace, 461 U. S., at 180, the government's ability to restrict expressive activity "is very limited." Id., at 177.



Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid.



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BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights.



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<DIV>Dan.  You are confusing the issue.  First the statement was that the first amendment doesn't protect protest.  That is patently wrong.  </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Yours is a slightly different issue, alluded to in my last paragraph regarding the ability of government to place limited restraints on protest.  But, as noted in the opinion cited, the governments right to even require a permit is limited.  And, surprise, surprise, there are plenty of instances where the government has been found to have exceeded those limits.  </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Dan H <br-@politesociety.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:22 PM</DIV>

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<DIV><BR></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rude Dog.  It is your ignorance of your own constitution that's stunning. One of the principal purposes of the first amendment is precisely to protect the right to "PROTEST". You may recall that one of the major complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)</FONT></DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Even an arch conservative such as Sandra Day O'Connor would disagree with you, stating, as she does for the majority in Boos vs. Barry 485 U.S. 312 (1988) overturning a law banning protests within 500 feet of a foreign embassy:</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV><EM>".  .  .   the First Amendment reflects a "profound national commitment" to the principle that "debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open," </EM><A href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=40&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b376%20U.S.%20254%2cat%20270%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=fb213e70391a3a958f2be871d7f745e8" target=_parent><EM>New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254, 270 (1964),</EM></A><EM> and have consistently commented on the central importance of protecting speech on public issues. See, e. g., </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=41&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20138%2cat%20145%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=9dddd341d8265d49b5efd2208d8d3c19" target=_parent><EM>Connick v. Myers, 461 U. S. 138, 145 (1983);</EM></A><EM> </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=42&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b458%20U.S.%20886%2cat%20913%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=cf45922cce3704f64cec36dac99fb143" target=_parent><EM>NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co., 458 U. S. 886, 913 (1982);</EM></A><EM> </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=43&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b447%20U.S.%20455%2cat%20467%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=27ac07244e5c480b9d9863d1f122a736" target=_parent><EM>Carey v. Brown, supra, at 467.</EM></A><EM> This has led us to scrutinize carefully any restrictions on public issue picketing. See, e. g., </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=44&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=7e0319f2474493434fcac8a968870df6" target=_parent><EM>United States v. Grace, 461 U. S. 171 (1983);</EM></A><EM> </EM><A href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=45&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b447%20U.S.%20455%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=771a564b123449eab8f37aec3a7f521c"

target=_parent><EM>Carey v. Brown, supra;</EM></A><EM> </EM><A href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=46&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b408%20U.S.%2092%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=f307c7f1448c6e525484a5111efb5e2c" target=_parent><EM>Police Department of Chicago v. Mosley, 408 U. S. 92 (1972).</EM></A><BR class=br><BR class=br><EM>".  .  .  such speech on public streets and sidewalks, [are] traditional public fora that "time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions." </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=47&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b307%20U.S.%20496%2cat%20515%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=b5b89b54f86691668f3cc10addcf5d2d" target=_parent><EM>Hague v. CIO, 307 U. S. 496, 515 (1939)</EM></A><EM> (Roberts, J.). </EM><A name=clsccl2></A><A style="TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="http://www.lexis.com/research/retrieve?_m=596a275f617648e2a4625047dae581ff&docnum=6&_fmtstr=FULL&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=14f42d84f25a4df9e5d433f7b8fdf8ec&focBudTerms=%28%28right%20or%20freedom%29%20w/5%29%20assembly%20AND%20protest&f#clscc2" target=_self><FONT face=verdana color=#336666><B><SUP><EM>HN2</EM></SUP></B></FONT></A><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/retrieve?_m=596a275f617648e2a4625047dae581ff&amp;docnum=6&_fmtstr=FULL&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=14f42d84f25a4df9e5d433f7b8fdf8ec&focBudTerms=%28%28right%20or%20freedom%29%20w/5%29%20assembly%20AND%20protest&f#clscc2" target=_self><EM><IMG height=12 alt="Go to the description of this Headnote." src="http://www.lexis.com/ri/core_up.gif" width=11 border=0></EM></A><EM>In such places, which occupy a "special position in terms of First Amendment protection," </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=48&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%2cat%20180%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=b38c4b53abe1e29926204d4ec9c38e24" target=_parent><EM>United States v. Grace, 461 U. S., at 180,</EM></A><EM> the government's ability to restrict expressive activity "is very limited." </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=49&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%2cat%20177%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=733e782862be48e435d351406cbec7ae" target=_parent><EM>Id., at 177.</EM></A><EM> </EM></DIV>

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<DIV>Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid.  </DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant.  Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights.</FONT></DIV>

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Hey "snjr"   Do you have a name or do you just not want to link your

OBRA posts to your name.<br>

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I must say I'm amazed how many people tonight at PIR were talking about

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<div>Ed said: "Of course, there have been times when content neutral

restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but

your statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is

downright stupid." </div>

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<div>Actually, Ed, your inability to read a post without responding

emotionally is STUPID, but typical of a reactionary.  Please read my

post again and tell me where I said the first amendment does not

protect protest.  Here is what I said; </div>

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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">"BTW, in case anyone intends to

respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't

be so ignorant.  Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble,

not PROTEST, </font><font face="Arial" size="2">or infringe upon other

people's rights."</font></div>

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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Even in your own examples, the word

"protest" doesn't appear.  I suppose you also believe we live in a

democracy?</font></div>

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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The fact is, WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT

TO PROTEST.  WE POSSES A RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE.  DOES THAT MEAN

THAT ONE CAN PEACEFULLY PROTEST? SURE BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE OUR RIGHT A

"RIGHT TO PROTEST" NOR IMPEDE TRAFFIC, OR HIT SOMEONE YOU DON'T AGREE

WITH LIKE SO MANY "PROTESTERS" APPARENTLY BELIEVE.</font></div>

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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The reason using phrases like "right

to protest" is so STUPID and dangerous is because people like the

critical mass morons decide that "protest" means aggressive in your

face behavior which it clearly does not.  </font></div>

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Ed said: "Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid."



Actually, Ed, your inability to read a post without responding emotionally is STUPID, but typical of a reactionary. Please read my post again and tell me where I said the first amendment does not protect protest. Here is what I said;



"BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights."



Even in your own examples, the word "protest" doesn't appear. I suppose you also believe we live in a democracy?



The fact is, WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST. WE POSSES A RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT ONE CAN PEACEFULLY PROTEST? SURE BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE OUR RIGHT A "RIGHT TO PROTEST" NOR IMPEDE TRAFFIC, OR HIT SOMEONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH LIKE SO MANY "PROTESTERS" APPARENTLY BELIEVE.



The reason using phrases like "right to protest" is so STUPID and dangerous is because people like the critical mass morons decide that "protest" means aggressive in your face behavior which it clearly does not.





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<DIV>Ed said: "Of course, there have been times when content neutral

restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your

statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright

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<DIV>Actually, Ed, your inability to read a post without responding emotionally

is STUPID, but typical of a reactionary.  Please read my post again

and tell me where I said the first amendment does not protect protest. 

Here is what I said; </DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS

line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant.  Our

First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, </FONT><FONT

face=Arial size=2>or infringe upon other people's

rights."</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even in your own examples, the word "protest"

doesn't appear.  I suppose you also believe we live in a

democracy?</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The fact is, WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO

PROTEST.  WE POSSES A RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE.  DOES

THAT MEAN THAT ONE CAN PEACEFULLY PROTEST? SURE BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE

OUR RIGHT A "RIGHT TO PROTEST" NOR IMPEDE TRAFFIC, OR HIT SOMEONE YOU DON'T

AGREE WITH LIKE SO MANY "PROTESTERS" APPARENTLY BELIEVE.</FONT></DIV>

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protest" is so STUPID and dangerous is because people like the

critical mass morons decide that "protest" means aggressive in

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Ed, if those guys had a permit to assemble the cops would have been protecting them.

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    Rude Dog. It is your ignorance of your own constitution that's stunning. One of the principal purposes of the first amendment is precisely to protect the right to "PROTEST". You may recall that one of the major complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)



    Even an arch conservative such as Sandra Day O'Connor would disagree with you, stating, as she does for the majority in Boos vs. Barry 485 U.S. 312 (1988) overturning a law banning protests within 500 feet of a foreign embassy:



    ". . .   the First Amendment reflects a "profound national commitment" to the principle that "debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open," New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254, 270 (1964), and have consistently commented on the central importance of protecting speech on public issues. See, e. g., Connick v. Myers, 461 U. S. 138, 145 (1983); NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co., 458 U. S. 886, 913 (1982); Carey v. Brown, supra, at 467. This has led us to scrutinize carefully any restrictions on public issue picketing. See, e. g., United States v. Grace, 461 U. S. 171 (1983); Carey v. Brown, supra; Police Department of Chicago v. Mosley, 408 U. S. 92 (1972).



    ". . . such speech on public streets and sidewalks, [are] traditional public fora that "time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions." Hague v. CIO, 307 U. S. 496, 515 (1939) (Roberts, J.). HN2In such places, which occupy a "special position in terms of First Amendment protection," United States v. Grace, 461 U. S., at 180, the government's ability to restrict expressive activity "is very limited." Id., at 177.



    Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid.



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    BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights.



    Rude Dog





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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed, if those guys had a permit to assemble the cops

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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rude Dog.  It is your ignorance of your

    own constitution that's stunning. One of the principal purposes of the

    first amendment is precisely to protect the right to "PROTEST". You may

    recall that one of the major complaints of the colonists was the lack of

    ability to protest. (You have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't

    you?)</FONT></DIV>

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    <DIV>Even an arch conservative such as Sandra Day O'Connor would disagree

    with you, stating, as she does for the majority in Boos vs. Barry 485 U.S.

    312 (1988) overturning a law banning protests within 500 feet of a foreign

    embassy:</DIV>

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    <DIV><EM>".  .  .   the First Amendment reflects a

    "profound national commitment" to the principle that "debate on public

    issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open," </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=40&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b376%20U.S.%20254%2cat%20270%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=fb213e70391a3a958f2be871d7f745e8"

    target=_parent><EM>New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254, 270

    (1964),</EM></A><EM> and have consistently commented on the central

    importance of protecting speech on public issues. See, e. g., </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=41&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20138%2cat%20145%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=9dddd341d8265d49b5efd2208d8d3c19"

    target=_parent><EM>Connick v. Myers, 461 U. S. 138, 145 (1983);</EM></A><EM>

    </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=42&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b458%20U.S.%20886%2cat%20913%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=cf45922cce3704f64cec36dac99fb143"

    target=_parent><EM>NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co., 458 U. S. 886, 913

    (1982);</EM></A><EM> </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=43&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b447%20U.S.%20455%2cat%20467%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=27ac07244e5c480b9d9863d1f122a736"

    target=_parent><EM>Carey v. Brown, supra, at 467.</EM></A><EM> This has led

    us to scrutinize carefully any restrictions on public issue picketing. See,

    e. g., </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=44&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=7e0319f2474493434fcac8a968870df6"

    target=_parent><EM>United States v. Grace, 461 U. S. 171

    (1983);</EM></A><EM> </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=45&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b447%20U.S.%20455%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=771a564b123449eab8f37aec3a7f521c"

    target=_parent><EM>Carey v. Brown, supra;</EM></A><EM> </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=46&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b408%20U.S.%2092%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=f307c7f1448c6e525484a5111efb5e2c"

    target=_parent><EM>Police Department of Chicago v. Mosley, 408 U. S. 92

    (1972).</EM></A><BR class=br><BR class=br><EM>".  . 

    .  such speech on public streets and sidewalks, [are] traditional

    public fora that "time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly,

    communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions."

    </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=47&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b307%20U.S.%20496%2cat%20515%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=b5b89b54f86691668f3cc10addcf5d2d"

    target=_parent><EM>Hague v. CIO, 307 U. S. 496, 515 (1939)</EM></A><EM>

    (Roberts, J.). </EM><A name=clsccl2></A><A style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/retrieve?_m=596a275f617648e2a4625047dae581ff&amp;docnum=6&_fmtstr=FULL&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=14f42d84f25a4df9e5d433f7b8fdf8ec&focBudTerms=%28%28right%20or%20freedom%29%20w/5%29%20assembly%20AND%20protest&f#clscc2"

    target=_self><FONT face=verdana

    color=#336666><B><SUP><EM>HN2</EM></SUP></B></FONT></A><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/retrieve?_m=596a275f617648e2a4625047dae581ff&amp;docnum=6&_fmtstr=FULL&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=14f42d84f25a4df9e5d433f7b8fdf8ec&focBudTerms=%28%28right%20or%20freedom%29%20w/5%29%20assembly%20AND%20protest&f#clscc2"

    target=_self><EM><IMG height=12

    alt="Go to the description of this Headnote."

    src="http://www.lexis.com/ri/core_up.gif" width=11 border=0></EM></A><EM>In

    such places, which occupy a "special position in terms of First Amendment

    protection," </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=48&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%2cat%20180%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=b38c4b53abe1e29926204d4ec9c38e24"

    target=_parent><EM>United States v. Grace, 461 U. S., at 180,</EM></A><EM>

    the government's ability to restrict expressive activity "is very limited."

    </EM><A

    href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=49&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%2cat%20177%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=733e782862be48e435d351406cbec7ae"

    target=_parent><EM>Id., at 177.</EM></A><EM> </EM></DIV>

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    <DIV>Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions have

    been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that the

    first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid.  </DIV>

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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the

    BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. 

    Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST,

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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rude Dog</FONT> </DIV>

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Rude Dog. It is your ignorance of your own constitution that's stunning. One of the principal purposes of the first amendment is precisely to protect the right to "PROTEST". You may recall that one of the major complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)



Even an arch conservative such as Sandra Day O'Connor would disagree with you, stating, as she does for the majority in Boos vs. Barry 485 U.S. 312 (1988) overturning a law banning protests within 500 feet of a foreign embassy:



". . .   the First Amendment reflects a "profound national commitment" to the principle that "debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open," New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254, 270 (1964), and have consistently commented on the central importance of protecting speech on public issues. See, e. g., Connick v. Myers, 461 U. S. 138, 145 (1983); NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co., 458 U. S. 886, 913 (1982); Carey v. Brown, supra, at 467. This has led us to scrutinize carefully any restrictions on public issue picketing. See, e. g., United States v. Grace, 461 U. S. 171 (1983); Carey v. Brown, supra; Police Department of Chicago v. Mosley, 408 U. S. 92 (1972).



". . . such speech on public streets and sidewalks, [are] traditional public fora that "time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions." Hague v. CIO, 307 U. S. 496, 515 (1939) (Roberts, J.). HN2In such places, which occupy a "special position in terms of First Amendment protection," United States v. Grace, 461 U. S., at 180, the government's ability to restrict expressive activity "is very limited." Id., at 177.



Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid.



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rude Dog.  It is your ignorance of your own constitution that's stunning. One of the principal purposes of the first amendment is precisely to protect the right to "PROTEST". You may recall that one of the major complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV>Even an arch conservative such as Sandra Day O'Connor would disagree with you, stating, as she does for the majority in Boos vs. Barry 485 U.S. 312 (1988) overturning a law banning protests within 500 feet of a foreign embassy:</DIV>

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<DIV><EM>".  .  .   the First Amendment reflects a "profound national commitment" to the principle that "debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open," </EM><A href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=40&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b376%20U.S.%20254%2cat%20270%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=fb213e70391a3a958f2be871d7f745e8" target=_parent><EM>New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254, 270 (1964),</EM></A><EM> and have consistently commented on the central importance of protecting speech on public issues. See, e. g., </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=41&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20138%2cat%20145%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=9dddd341d8265d49b5efd2208d8d3c19" target=_parent><EM>Connick v. Myers, 461 U. S. 138, 145 (1983);</EM></A><EM> </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=42&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b458%20U.S.%20886%2cat%20913%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=cf45922cce3704f64cec36dac99fb143" target=_parent><EM>NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co., 458 U. S. 886, 913 (1982);</EM></A><EM> </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=43&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b447%20U.S.%20455%2cat%20467%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=27ac07244e5c480b9d9863d1f122a736" target=_parent><EM>Carey v. Brown, supra, at 467.</EM></A><EM> This has led us to scrutinize carefully any restrictions on public issue picketing. See, e. g., </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=44&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=7e0319f2474493434fcac8a968870df6" target=_parent><EM>United States v. Grace, 461 U. S. 171 (1983);</EM></A><EM> </EM><A href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=45&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b447%20U.S.%20455%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=771a564b123449eab8f37aec3a7f521c"

target=_parent><EM>Carey v. Brown, supra;</EM></A><EM> </EM><A href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=46&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b408%20U.S.%2092%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=f307c7f1448c6e525484a5111efb5e2c" target=_parent><EM>Police Department of Chicago v. Mosley, 408 U. S. 92 (1972).</EM></A><BR class=br><BR class=br><EM>".  .  .  such speech on public streets and sidewalks, [are] traditional public fora that "time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions." </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=47&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b307%20U.S.%20496%2cat%20515%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=b5b89b54f86691668f3cc10addcf5d2d" target=_parent><EM>Hague v. CIO, 307 U. S. 496, 515 (1939)</EM></A><EM> (Roberts, J.). </EM><A name=clsccl2></A><A style="TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="http://www.lexis.com/research/retrieve?_m=596a275f617648e2a4625047dae581ff&docnum=6&_fmtstr=FULL&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=14f42d84f25a4df9e5d433f7b8fdf8ec&focBudTerms=%28%28right%20or%20freedom%29%20w/5%29%20assembly%20AND%20protest&f#clscc2" target=_self><FONT face=verdana color=#336666><B><SUP><EM>HN2</EM></SUP></B></FONT></A><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/retrieve?_m=596a275f617648e2a4625047dae581ff&amp;docnum=6&_fmtstr=FULL&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=14f42d84f25a4df9e5d433f7b8fdf8ec&focBudTerms=%28%28right%20or%20freedom%29%20w/5%29%20assembly%20AND%20protest&f#clscc2" target=_self><EM><IMG height=12 alt="Go to the description of this Headnote." src="http://www.lexis.com/ri/core_up.gif" width=11 border=0></EM></A><EM>In such places, which occupy a "special position in terms of First Amendment protection," </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=48&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%2cat%20180%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=b38c4b53abe1e29926204d4ec9c38e24" target=_parent><EM>United States v. Grace, 461 U. S., at 180,</EM></A><EM> the government's ability to restrict expressive activity "is very limited." </EM><A

href="http://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=73a285963279590a1228af087b4e15b0&amp;_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b485%20U.S.%20312%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=3&_butStat=2&_butNum=49&_butInline=1&_butinfo=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDATA%5b461%20U.S.%20171%2cat%20177%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=6&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzb-zSkAb&_md5=733e782862be48e435d351406cbec7ae" target=_parent><EM>Id., at 177.</EM></A><EM> </EM></DIV>

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<DIV>Of course, there have been times when content neutral restrictions have been found to have been found to be justified, but your statement that the first amendment does not protect "PROTEST" is downright stupid.  </DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant.  Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights.</FONT></DIV>

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It's popular:



"A crowd three blocks deep gathered around the protesters last night, chanting, "Let them go!" as a helicopter hovered overhead."



...but making traffic jams isn't going to win many devotees to the cause of cycling.



I consider myself to be a "critical mass" every time I ride--even as a solo user of the road, trying to make it look fun and practical.



David

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Ooops! I guess in Manhattan if you intentionally break the law by slowing traffic consequently jeopardizing emergency services and other citizen's rights you may go to jail.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/226516p-194587c.html



Last count 264; good time to be a bike lawyer!



Too bad cities like Portland and Eugene refuse to enforce the laws and put these dopes in jail.



BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights.



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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond color=#808080 size=4>It's popular:</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Garamond color=#808080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Garamond color=#808080 size=4>"<FONT face="Times New Roman"

color=#000000 size=3>A crowd three blocks deep gathered around the protesters

last night, chanting, "Let them go!" as a helicopter hovered

overhead."</FONT></FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond color=#808080 size=4>...but making traffic jams isn't

going to win many devotees to the cause of cycling.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Garamond color=#808080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Garamond color=#808080 size=4>I consider myself to be a

"critical mass" every time I ride--even as a solo user of the road, trying

to make it look fun and practical.  </FONT></DIV>

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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>

<A title-@charter.net href="mailto:sn-@charter.net">snjr</A> </DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ooops!  I guess in <SPAN

class=bodytext>Manhattan</SPAN> if you intentionally break the law by slowing

traffic consequently jeopardizing emergency services and

other citizen's rights you may go to jail.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A

href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/226516p-194587c.html">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/226516p-194587c.html</A></FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last count 264; good time to be a bike

lawyer! </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Too bad cities like Portland and Eugene refuse to

enforce the laws and put these dopes in jail.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the

BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant.  Our

First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST,

or infringe upon other people's rights.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rude Dog</FONT> </DIV>

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Dan H

Dog, thanks for bringing this up. Lawless fanatics like Critical Mass make

the rest of us suffer the rath of un-educated motorists that can't tell the

diffrence between someone riding to work and someone that just hates "big

oil".

Vera the police chauffeured mayor needs to grow a pair and enforce the law.

(donning my asbestos now...)



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Ooops! I guess in Manhattan if you intentionally break the law by slowing

traffic consequently jeopardizing emergency services and other citizen's

rights you may go to jail.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/226516p-194587c.html



Last count 264; good time to be a bike lawyer!



Too bad cities like Portland and Eugene refuse to enforce the laws and put

these dopes in jail.



BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right

to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to

peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights.



Rude Dog





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Ooops! I guess in Manhattan if you intentionally break the law by slowing traffic consequently jeopardizing emergency services and other citizen's rights you may go to jail.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/226516p-194587c.html



Last count 264; good time to be a bike lawyer!



Too bad cities like Portland and Eugene refuse to enforce the laws and put these dopes in jail.



BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant. Our First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST, or infringe upon other people's rights.



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ooops!  I guess in <SPAN

class=bodytext>Manhattan</SPAN> if you intentionally break the law by slowing

traffic consequently jeopardizing emergency services and

other citizen's rights you may go to jail.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last count 264; good time to be a bike

lawyer! </FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Too bad cities like Portland and Eugene refuse to

enforce the laws and put these dopes in jail.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, in case anyone intends to respond with the BS

line of "it's our right to protest;" please don't be so ignorant.  Our

First Amendment right is to peaceably assemble, not PROTEST,

or infringe upon other people's rights.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rude Dog</FONT> </DIV>

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