OBRA: OBRA Chat: Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

eri-@fusium.com

2004-09-01

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-----Original Message-----

From: Mark Wexler [mailto:mark.w-@comcast.net]

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:55 AM

To: ob-@topica.com; Matthew Wolpert

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

I protest the preceding message....it's my right!

MSW.....

Matthew Wolpert wrote:

SNJR (aka "rude dog"),

Clearly you and I have rather different perspectives on these issues.

That's all fine of course, free country, etc.

I do want to say that your postings to this list are frequent, and

therefore I call on you to change your email account so that your

first and last name accompany each posting that you make.

I say this because my postings include my complete identity, but

yours let you remain anonymous, so while plenty of folks out there are

welcome to disagree with me and to know who I am and think that I am

wasting their time by posting my thoughts to the list, people who

disagree with you have no clue who you are.

I hope this makes sense. I'm not trying to be confrontational about

this, or wanting any kind of issue to develope between us, I'm just

saying it as a matter of equity, I think that if everyone identifies

themselves, our discussions on OBRA will be better off for it.

Thanks,

Matthew Wolpert

----- Original Message -----

From: snjr <sn-@charter.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:54:13 -0700

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

To: anqu-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

Don also stupidly said; "You may recall that one of the major

complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You

have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)"

Actually, if one was to conduct a Boston Tea Party today, they would

be arrested... Ooops! so much for your protest argument. Further, you

must also be under the impression that "protest" means no holds barred

as you are utilizing a felony as an example of a protest.To respond to

the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list

manager send to cmur-@obra.org To unsubscribe send to

Mark Wexler

M&M Business Services

503.358.8308

To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

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Aaron Espadron-Coker

2004-09-01

<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>

<P>My name is Aaron, and I detest those who disrupt the lives of others by protesting through city streets and congesting traffic, etc.<BR><BR></P></DIV>

<DIV></DIV>>From: Matthew Wolpert <matthew.-@gmail.com>

<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: matthew.-@gmail.com

<DIV></DIV>>To: sn-@charter.net

<DIV></DIV>>CC: ob-@topica.com

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:34:50 -0700

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>SNJR (aka "rude dog"),

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Clearly you and I have rather different perspectives on these issues.

<DIV></DIV>>That's all fine of course, free country, etc.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>I do want to say that your postings to this list are frequent, and

<DIV></DIV>>therefore I call on you to change your email account so that your

<DIV></DIV>>first and last name accompany each posting that you make.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>I say this because my postings include my complete identity, but

<DIV></DIV>>yours let you remain anonymous, so while plenty of folks out there are

<DIV></DIV>>welcome to disagree with me and to know who I am and think that I am

<DIV></DIV>>wasting their time by posting my thoughts to the list, people who

<DIV></DIV>>disagree with you have no clue who you are.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>I hope this makes sense. I'm not trying to be confrontational about

<DIV></DIV>>this, or wanting any kind of issue to develope between us, I'm just

<DIV></DIV>>saying it as a matter of equity, I think that if everyone identifies

<DIV></DIV>>themselves, our discussions on OBRA will be better off for it.

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Thanks,

<DIV></DIV>>Matthew Wolpert

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----

<DIV></DIV>>From: snjr <sn-@charter.net>

<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:54:13 -0700

<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

<DIV></DIV>>To: anqu-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Don also stupidly said; "You may recall that one of the major

<DIV></DIV>>complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You

<DIV></DIV>>have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)"

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>Actually, if one was to conduct a Boston Tea Party today, they would

<DIV></DIV>>be arrested... Ooops! so much for your protest argument. Further, you

<DIV></DIV>>must also be under the impression that "protest" means no holds barred

<DIV></DIV>>as you are utilizing a felony as an example of a protest.To respond to

<DIV></DIV>>the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list

<DIV></DIV>>manager send to cmur-@obra.org To unsubscribe send to

<DIV></DIV>>

<DIV></DIV>>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

<DIV></DIV>>To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org

<DIV></DIV>>To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

<DIV></DIV>>

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snjr

2004-09-01

Pete wrote:

Protesting is a right. By protesting you also have the right to be

arrested

and should expect to be. Getting a permit to protest is not protesting,

especially if you are protesting the system that is currently in place.

Permits are for parades, not protests.

THIS IS PRECISELY MY POINT! Protesting as you are describing it (and as has

become the standard definition of a protest) is nothing more than breaking

the law! There is no right in the Bill of Rights to commit felonies or

break the law. Permits are for law abiding citizens who have the common

courtesy and respect for their fellow citizens to "PROTEST" within the

confines of the law.

Because people have changed the terminology and manipulated our actual right

"peaceably assemble", we have a large populace who believe they have the

right to block traffic, keep people from their jobs and businesses,

vandalize property, burn buildings and vehicles, etc. etc. Poor law

enforcement has further encouraged this belief. We do not have these rights

folks. The U.S. Constitution was written literally to "insure domestic

tranquility." How does breaking the law equate to tranquility?

To sin by silence when they should PROTEST makes cowards of men. - Abraham

Lincoln

I think President Lincoln was referring to the old definition of protest

which is "to express strong objection". That is remarkably different than

the definition of protest used today, e.g. silence verses expressing your

view, not silence verses anarchy.

Mark Wexler

2004-09-01

I protest the preceding message....it's my right!

MSW.....

Matthew Wolpert wrote:

SNJR (aka "rude dog"),

Clearly you and I have rather different perspectives on these issues.

That's all fine of course, free country, etc.

I do want to say that your postings to this list are frequent, and

therefore I call on you to change your email account so that your

first and last name accompany each posting that you make.

I say this because my postings include my complete identity, but

yours let you remain anonymous, so while plenty of folks out there are

welcome to disagree with me and to know who I am and think that I am

wasting their time by posting my thoughts to the list, people who

disagree with you have no clue who you are.

I hope this makes sense. I'm not trying to be confrontational about

this, or wanting any kind of issue to develope between us, I'm just

saying it as a matter of equity, I think that if everyone identifies

themselves, our discussions on OBRA will be better off for it.

Thanks,

Matthew Wolpert

----- Original Message -----

From: snjr <sn-@charter.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:54:13 -0700

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

To: anqu-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

Don also stupidly said; "You may recall that one of the major

complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You

have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)"

Actually, if one was to conduct a Boston Tea Party today, they would

be arrested... Ooops! so much for your protest argument. Further, you

must also be under the impression that "protest" means no holds barred

as you are utilizing a felony as an example of a protest.To respond to

the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list

manager send to cmur-@obra.org To unsubscribe send to

Mark Wexler

M&M Business Services

503.358.8308

Peter Murphy

2004-09-01

Why can't we have a discussion without throwing out the words (or letters)

BS and stupid just because someone doesn't adhere to your point of view. It

doesn't help your point of view.

Protesting is a right. By protesting you also have the right to be arrested

and should expect to be. Getting a permit to protest is not protesting,

especially if you are protesting the system that is currently in place.

Permits are for parades, not protests.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for the destruction of property, but if your

commute was extended a whole 20-30 minutes once a week, oh well, take mass

transit on Fridays and the critical massers will get through the city much

faster.

In fact what a marketing tool for downtown businesses. Instead of Happy

Hour, have Critical Mass hour, free appetizers with a beverage and avoid the

Massers, rather than sitting in traffic.

Direct confrontation is what some of them are looking for. If they are not

confronted, they will get bored and stop.

And if the BTP participants were caught, they probably would have been

hanged.

Pete Murphy

To sin by silence when they should PROTEST makes cowards of men. - Abraham

Lincoln

From: snjr <sn-@charter.net>

Reply-To: sn-@charter.net

To: Anqu-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:54:13 -0700

Don also stupidly said; "You may recall that one of the major complaints of

the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You have heard of the

Boston Tea Party haven't you?)"

Actually, if one was to conduct a Boston Tea Party today, they would be

arrested... Ooops! so much for your protest argument. Further, you must

also be under the impression that "protest" means no holds barred as you

are utilizing a felony as an example of a protest.

To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

Randy Dreiling

2004-08-31

If the hooded and masked clowns at crital mass rallies

wouldn't show who they are why should SNJR say who he

is?

--- Matthew Wolpert <matthew.-@gmail.com> wrote:

SNJR (aka "rude dog"),

Clearly you and I have rather different perspectives

on these issues.

That's all fine of course, free country, etc.

I do want to say that your postings to this list are

frequent, and

therefore I call on you to change your email account

so that your

first and last name accompany each posting that you

make.

I say this because my postings include my complete

identity, but

yours let you remain anonymous, so while plenty of

folks out there are

welcome to disagree with me and to know who I am and

think that I am

wasting their time by posting my thoughts to the

list, people who

disagree with you have no clue who you are.

I hope this makes sense. I'm not trying to be

confrontational about

this, or wanting any kind of issue to develope

between us, I'm just

saying it as a matter of equity, I think that if

everyone identifies

themselves, our discussions on OBRA will be better

off for it.

Thanks,

Matthew Wolpert

----- Original Message -----

From: snjr <sn-@charter.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:54:13 -0700

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

To: anqu-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

Don also stupidly said; "You may recall that one of

the major

complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability

to protest. (You

have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)"

Actually, if one was to conduct a Boston Tea Party

today, they would

be arrested... Ooops! so much for your protest

argument. Further, you

must also be under the impression that "protest"

means no holds barred

as you are utilizing a felony as an example of a

protest.To respond to

the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. To respond

to the list

manager send to cmur-@obra.org To unsubscribe send

to

To respond to the whole group send to

ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to

cmur-@obra.org

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

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Matthew Wolpert

2004-08-31

SNJR (aka "rude dog"),

Clearly you and I have rather different perspectives on these issues.

That's all fine of course, free country, etc.

I do want to say that your postings to this list are frequent, and

therefore I call on you to change your email account so that your

first and last name accompany each posting that you make.

I say this because my postings include my complete identity, but

yours let you remain anonymous, so while plenty of folks out there are

welcome to disagree with me and to know who I am and think that I am

wasting their time by posting my thoughts to the list, people who

disagree with you have no clue who you are.

I hope this makes sense. I'm not trying to be confrontational about

this, or wanting any kind of issue to develope between us, I'm just

saying it as a matter of equity, I think that if everyone identifies

themselves, our discussions on OBRA will be better off for it.

Thanks,

Matthew Wolpert

----- Original Message -----

From: snjr <sn-@charter.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:54:13 -0700

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Busted Bicycle Riders Part 2

To: anqu-@yahoo.com, ob-@topica.com

Don also stupidly said; "You may recall that one of the major

complaints of the colonists was the lack of ability to protest. (You

have heard of the Boston Tea Party haven't you?)"

Actually, if one was to conduct a Boston Tea Party today, they would

be arrested... Ooops! so much for your protest argument. Further, you

must also be under the impression that "protest" means no holds barred

as you are utilizing a felony as an example of a protest.To respond to

the whole group send to ob-@topica.com. To respond to the list

manager send to cmur-@obra.org To unsubscribe send to

snjr

2004-08-31

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