Tim M.
$2 an hour? Your Don King promoter image in blown.
I am crushed...I was just sure one of you had a pink limo
hidden away somewhere.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dreiling" <ragg-@yahoo.com>
To: <ob-@topica.com>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Promoters and Money
I guess it had to happen again...we get on this every
year.
Brad was so right to point out all the fee's and money
we pay out, that is just a short list there are many
other things we have to pay for that add up....we make
very little money, if any and if you broke it down we
would make about $2 an hour if that.
Plus you should try racing outside Oregon...OBRA is
$15 ...nobra $50 year...reg fee's start at $35 with
$10 late fee in Washington and Cali. Racing in Oregon
is a steal and we are very luck to have OBRA and the
promoters we do in Oregon.
Plus whom are you to tell us and the OBRA world that
we are ripping off or taking advantage of the racers
with out all the facts, that is flat out wrong and
disrespectful.
We provide a service that people want and in turn we
may or may not make a LITTLE money...why is that so
wrong?????
Take Care
Randy Dreiling
Oregon Mt Bike Series
Oakridge FTF
Willamette Pass Events
--- Peter Murphy <murphy_-@hotmail.com> wrote:
I know the promoters are not making a killing, if
anything at all, which is
why all of you have day jobs. But my quote still
stands on its own. I guess
I should have put the words "try to" between can and
make. I did not mean to
paint promoters as a greedy, vile, and money hungry
bunch of characters.
I appreciate everything that the promoters and race
organizers do for the
racing public and I try to remember to thank the
workers at every event. I
apologize that my comment was not clearly expressed.
Pete Murphy
From: "Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com>
Reply-To: bra-@bigfoot.com
To: ob-@topica.com, Matthew Wolpert
<matthew.-@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] ...so they can make as
much money as possible. It
is all promoti
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:22:53 +0000
Thank you Matt for the concise understanding of
race promoting. Recently
Tim Plummer and I put on the High Desert RR and
Crit in Bend and while
in the end we did make some money it is always a
gamble, not only in
promoting a race, but doing it in the waning part
of the season so far
from the main bike racing hubs of Portland and
Eugene (not to mention
possible weather snafus). We even had a couple of
complaints regarding
our "expensive" race, which wouldn't have been any
more expensive than
the next race had people taken the time to actually
pre-register. Thanks
and kudos to those of you that saved $10. We also
gave, as most
promoters do, the ability to volunteer for the race
in some capacity.
These people either got to race for free or got
some good schwag.
Yes, we made some money. Yes, that was our
intention. If we penciled it
out to an hourly rate though it would not come out
to a whole heck of a
lot. We (and our sponsors) do it out of a love for
the sport and a love
of seeing people at our race enjoying the courses
and the competition.
You know what else makes it worthwhile? The people
that go out of their
way to thank us for putting on the race. Personally
I try to make a
point of this at the races I go to, not only
thanking the promoter but
the officials and volunteers as well.
To sum up: don't take racing for granted. Thank
your officials. Thank
your promoters. Thank your sponsors and volunteers.
(steps off of soapbox)
Matthew Wolpert wrote:
Someone in OBRAland recently wrote:
"Every promoter who tells you about his race
also wants the largest
crowd
possible so they can make as much money as
possible. It is all
promotions."
While many might think this is the case as I
once did, in truth it
betrays a complete lack of understanding of OBRA
races. Yes, some do
make money sometimes. More often the people who
put together bike
races actually lose money or at best break even.
The people who sponsor and organize bike races
do so because they want
to give something back to the racing community,
and out of a sense of
respect to the others who have spent many hours
of their time working
hard so that the masses in Oregon have races to
go to.
I want to make sure that this person knows that
in addition to large
amounts of a organizers time which he or she is
_donating_ to the
greater OBRA community, there are many costs
associated with putting
together a bike race that require cash.
*Those porta johns that you sometimes have to
wait in line to use,
someone has to pay for them.
*Medical personel and race officials receive a
modest stipend for
their generous committment to volunteer.
*DOT Permits generally require fees for
approval.
*Prizes, however small they may seem, cost
someone money.
*Renting the OBRA equipment costs money.
*Insurance to protect OBRA and people who
organize races and the
racers costs money.
*Food for volunteers and officials costs money.
*Printing race fliers costs money
There are a number of other "miscellaneous"
costs associated with bike
races as well. While it's pretty easy to total
the number of
participants and multiply by the race entry fee,
and think "gee, these
guys are making a killing" it just isn't so.
After all of these items are paid for, I have
personally witnessed
organizers distributing the remaining proceeds
to the racers as ad hoc
prizes weeks after the race is over, or to the
OBRA organization
directly.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Murray <mike.m-@obra.org>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:13:09 -0700
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Test Ride a Cannondale
Six13, Sunday, Sept. 19
To: tnels-@aol.com, shane.-@comcast.net,
cur-@rivercitybicycles.com, ob-@topica.com
Tom's opinion is noted but it is just that, his
opinion. It does not
reflect the intention that we had when we set up
the lists and,
apparently, does not reflect the opinion of the
majority of the
posters to the list. I certainly don't have any
problem if the
ob-@topica.com list becomes a "free advertising
tool". The list info
states:
"This is the mailing list for the Oregon Bicycle
Racing Association.
Our mission is to foster and grow the sport of
bicycle racing in
Oregon -road, track, mountain bike and
cyclocross. This list is to be
used to post for-sale bicycle related items and
to spark discussions
about the sport."
Note that this does not preclude commercial
posts in any way. To date
commercial posts have not even been close to a
problem.
Curt, feel free to continue to use the list as
you have.
Mike Murray
-----Original Message-----
From: TNels-@aol.com
[mailto:TNels-@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 17:59 PM
To: shane.-@comcast.net;
cur-@rivercitybicycles.com;
ob-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Test Ride a Cannondale
Six13, Sunday, Sept. 19
I agree that River City is a great shop and
supports Oregon bicycle
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