Junior Gearing. A Parent's Perspective.

mmur-@teleport.com

2000-12-18

There is no credible evidence to show that gear restrictions prevent knee

injuries in junior cyclists. Gear limits may help improve rider's technique

and also make races more competitive but the argument that they prevent

injuries is baseless.



Mike Murray



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As a former Junior myself, I raced under the Junior Gear Restriction rule in

the mid 80's. It's not a hassle to have to go out and buy a new set of gears

for yourself or for your junior racer in the family. The hassle comes when

you have to go out and buy yourself or the junior racer in you family a new

set of knees or other joints that have become damaged due to the forces put

on them while riding. This is one of the larger concerns with this rule

(among others), to protect young cyclists while they develop.

Odd



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From: Rhonda Wilson [mailto:mrwi-@worldnet.att.net]

Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 10:24 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Junior Gearing. A Parent's Perspective.





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As trainer, coach, chauffeur, equipment procurement specialist, clothier,

personal nutritionalist, secretary, race volunteer, accomodations planning

expert, and financier for a junior... I am against an OBRA rule on junior

gearing.



(I'm a mother of a junior)



Let's establish a "guideline" instead.



While I agree with the principle of teaching juniors to spin, I think that

the gearing restriction puts an additional burden on two groups of people

who are already overworked.



1. Race officials. I'm not an official myself, but I have assisted the

officials during juniors competition. I remember helping out with a dozen

little details that need to be done before the race. If you've worked a

race in any capacity, you'll know what I mean: radios, flashing lights,

lists of riders, maps - that sort of thing. To that, some people want to

add either a roll-out or a counting of gear teeth? Has anyone noticed how

difficult it is to get all of the juniors to the starting line on time much

less getting them to a gear check a half-hour before the race? In my

experience, the officials and race organizers already have enough to do.



2. Parents of juniors. I suppose that some of the older juniors can handle

figuring out the gearing rule on their own but with a lot of juniors, the

job goes to the parents. I don't know about other parents, but I personally

spend a good deal of time getting Dustin properly equiped. My winter hobby

seems to be searching the internet for new and used "stuff" for my growing

son. It's not just the bike either. Clothes are expensive and not cheaper

because they're small. Not only that, but Dustin refuses to cooperate when

I tell him to stop outgrowing shoes. :\ Anyway, my point is simply that

this is just one more equipment hassle that I don't need.



All of this being said, I must admit that I did read and conform to the rule

two years ago when we set up Dustin's first "serious" bike. Of course, I'm

a mechanical engineer and found it to be a bit of a challenge ... I think

that I'm the exception... Imagine my disappointment when nobody, ever,

bothered to check!



That brings up another point, creating a rule that is not enforced is unfair

to those who conform. We shouldn't make this rule if we don't mean to

enforce it.



I think that we need to recognize that with juniors, there is a huge

disparity between the most prepared and the least prepared. I've been to

plenty of junior road events with younger kids riding mountain bikes

sometimes with knobby tires. A gearing restriction, if enforced, would only

serve to exclude beginners.



Finally, I seriously doubt that restricting gearing will improve a junior's

spinning. For a beginning junior, even a 52x16 is going to be too big of a

gear much of the time.   When Dustin was first learning, I rarely saw him

use the largest sprocket of his triple.   The only effective way to teach

cadence is to ride with the junior and coach them as they go because every

situation is different. What's too big a gear in one situation is too small

a gear in another.



I can see that for races like Junior Nationals - which are restricted to

experienced and reasonably well-equiped juniors - a gearing rule may be

sensible and practical. For most races, however, it seems impractical and

ineffective.



How about if we establish a guideline?



Thanks for reading.



Rhonda Wilson (aka Dustin's Mom)





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Duncan, Todd

2000-12-18

As a former Junior myself, I raced under the Junior Gear Restriction rule in

the mid 80's. It's not a hassle to have to go out and buy a new set of gears

for yourself or for your junior racer in the family. The hassle comes when

you have to go out and buy yourself or the junior racer in you family a new

set of knees or other joints that have become damaged due to the forces put

on them while riding. This is one of the larger concerns with this rule

(among others), to protect young cyclists while they develop.

Odd



-----Original Message-----

From: Rhonda Wilson [mailto:mrwi-@worldnet.att.net]

Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 10:24 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Junior Gearing. A Parent's Perspective.





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As trainer, coach, chauffeur, equipment procurement specialist, clothier,

personal nutritionalist, secretary, race volunteer, accomodations planning

expert, and financier for a junior... I am against an OBRA rule on junior

gearing.



(I'm a mother of a junior)



Let's establish a "guideline" instead.



While I agree with the principle of teaching juniors to spin, I think that

the gearing restriction puts an additional burden on two groups of people

who are already overworked.



1. Race officials. I'm not an official myself, but I have assisted the

officials during juniors competition. I remember helping out with a dozen

little details that need to be done before the race. If you've worked a

race in any capacity, you'll know what I mean: radios, flashing lights,

lists of riders, maps - that sort of thing. To that, some people want to

add either a roll-out or a counting of gear teeth? Has anyone noticed how

difficult it is to get all of the juniors to the starting line on time much

less getting them to a gear check a half-hour before the race? In my

experience, the officials and race organizers already have enough to do.



2. Parents of juniors. I suppose that some of the older juniors can handle

figuring out the gearing rule on their own but with a lot of juniors, the

job goes to the parents. I don't know about other parents, but I personally

spend a good deal of time getting Dustin properly equiped. My winter hobby

seems to be searching the internet for new and used "stuff" for my growing

son. It's not just the bike either. Clothes are expensive and not cheaper

because they're small. Not only that, but Dustin refuses to cooperate when

I tell him to stop outgrowing shoes. :\ Anyway, my point is simply that

this is just one more equipment hassle that I don't need.



All of this being said, I must admit that I did read and conform to the rule

two years ago when we set up Dustin's first "serious" bike. Of course, I'm

a mechanical engineer and found it to be a bit of a challenge ... I think

that I'm the exception... Imagine my disappointment when nobody, ever,

bothered to check!



That brings up another point, creating a rule that is not enforced is unfair

to those who conform. We shouldn't make this rule if we don't mean to

enforce it.



I think that we need to recognize that with juniors, there is a huge

disparity between the most prepared and the least prepared. I've been to

plenty of junior road events with younger kids riding mountain bikes

sometimes with knobby tires. A gearing restriction, if enforced, would only

serve to exclude beginners.



Finally, I seriously doubt that restricting gearing will improve a junior's

spinning. For a beginning junior, even a 52x16 is going to be too big of a

gear much of the time.   When Dustin was first learning, I rarely saw him

use the largest sprocket of his triple.   The only effective way to teach

cadence is to ride with the junior and coach them as they go because every

situation is different. What's too big a gear in one situation is too small

a gear in another.



I can see that for races like Junior Nationals - which are restricted to

experienced and reasonably well-equiped juniors - a gearing rule may be

sensible and practical. For most races, however, it seems impractical and

ineffective.



How about if we establish a guideline?



Thanks for reading.



Rhonda Wilson (aka Dustin's Mom)





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Rhonda Wilson

2000-12-18

As trainer, coach, chauffeur, equipment procurement specialist, clothier,

personal nutritionalist, secretary, race volunteer, accomodations planning

expert, and financier for a junior... I am against an OBRA rule on junior

gearing.



(I'm a mother of a junior)



Let's establish a "guideline" instead.



While I agree with the principle of teaching juniors to spin, I think that

the gearing restriction puts an additional burden on two groups of people

who are already overworked.



1. Race officials. I'm not an official myself, but I have assisted the

officials during juniors competition. I remember helping out with a dozen

little details that need to be done before the race. If you've worked a

race in any capacity, you'll know what I mean: radios, flashing lights,

lists of riders, maps - that sort of thing. To that, some people want to

add either a roll-out or a counting of gear teeth? Has anyone noticed how

difficult it is to get all of the juniors to the starting line on time much

less getting them to a gear check a half-hour before the race? In my

experience, the officials and race organizers already have enough to do.



2. Parents of juniors. I suppose that some of the older juniors can handle

figuring out the gearing rule on their own but with a lot of juniors, the

job goes to the parents. I don't know about other parents, but I personally

spend a good deal of time getting Dustin properly equiped. My winter hobby

seems to be searching the internet for new and used "stuff" for my growing

son. It's not just the bike either. Clothes are expensive and not cheaper

because they're small. Not only that, but Dustin refuses to cooperate when

I tell him to stop outgrowing shoes. :\ Anyway, my point is simply that

this is just one more equipment hassle that I don't need.



All of this being said, I must admit that I did read and conform to the rule

two years ago when we set up Dustin's first "serious" bike. Of course, I'm

a mechanical engineer and found it to be a bit of a challenge ... I think

that I'm the exception... Imagine my disappointment when nobody, ever,

bothered to check!



That brings up another point, creating a rule that is not enforced is unfair

to those who conform. We shouldn't make this rule if we don't mean to

enforce it.



I think that we need to recognize that with juniors, there is a huge

disparity between the most prepared and the least prepared. I've been to

plenty of junior road events with younger kids riding mountain bikes

sometimes with knobby tires. A gearing restriction, if enforced, would only

serve to exclude beginners.



Finally, I seriously doubt that restricting gearing will improve a junior's

spinning. For a beginning junior, even a 52x16 is going to be too big of a

gear much of the time.   When Dustin was first learning, I rarely saw him

use the largest sprocket of his triple.   The only effective way to teach

cadence is to ride with the junior and coach them as they go because every

situation is different. What's too big a gear in one situation is too small

a gear in another.



I can see that for races like Junior Nationals - which are restricted to

experienced and reasonably well-equiped juniors - a gearing rule may be

sensible and practical. For most races, however, it seems impractical and

ineffective.



How about if we establish a guideline?



Thanks for reading.



Rhonda Wilson (aka Dustin's Mom)