OBRA: OBRA Chat: Portland - The City That Wo...

Mike Murray

2004-10-17

OBRA could create a marketing budget but this would be money that OBRA

spends on something on something else currently. Some of that money could

go to paying someone but that would be part of the marketing budget that

would not go to ads, flyers, posters, etc. The total amount of this budget

could not be very large without adversely effecting what OBRA is currently

spending money on. The dues this year will probably already be increasing

because of increased costs for providing numbers. Increasing dues decreases

participation. The amount raised by increasing dues is pretty small for

adverse effect. Raising the membership fee $1 generates roughly $2,000. I

have no idea how much a marketing consultant would cost. I do know that a

large amount of money can be spent in advertising.

Mike

-----Original Message-----

From: Matthew Wolpert [mailto:matthew.-@gmail.com]

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:07 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland - The City That Works... To assault you.

That sounds like a great idea Mike. It does seem like the more people knew

about bike racing, the easier everything would be for us. The population at

large is apparently unaware that there is a difference between OBRA events

and events like Bridge Pedal.

Would it be possible to actually contract with someone(s) to do this? Could

we come up with a budgeted allowance for PR each year? How much would we

need to increase annual dues?

-Matthew

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:08:56 -0700, cmur-@obra.org <cmur-@obra.org>

wrote:

Joseph Field [mailto:bi-@joefield.com] wrote:

"we should have an OBRA member who works in marketing, PR or media

arrange a presentation for interested reporters that would include

names of victims who would be available for interviews."

OBRA really could use a person (or people) to do media relations for

much more than just car vs. bike safety issues. In fact, I would

argue that if we were to put any effort towards media relations that

the car vs. bike issue, as important as it is, would be further down

the list behind publicizing bike races to potential participants,

spectators and other road users.

Mike Murray

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Matthew Wolpert

2004-10-16

That sounds like a great idea Mike. It does seem like the more people

knew about bike racing, the easier everything would be for us. The

population at large is apparently unaware that there is a difference

between OBRA events and events like Bridge Pedal.

Would it be possible to actually contract with someone(s) to do this?

Could we come up with a budgeted allowance for PR each year? How much

would we need to increase annual dues?

-Matthew

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:08:56 -0700, cmur-@obra.org <cmur-@obra.org> wrote:

Joseph Field [mailto:bi-@joefield.com] wrote:

"we should have an OBRA member who works in marketing, PR or media arrange a

presentation for interested reporters that would include names of victims

who would be available for interviews."

OBRA really could use a person (or people) to do media relations for much

more than just car vs. bike safety issues. In fact, I would argue that if

we were to put any effort towards media relations that the car vs. bike

issue, as important as it is, would be further down the list behind

publicizing bike races to potential participants, spectators and other road

users.

Mike Murray

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Peter Murphy

2004-10-16

Do it!!!!!!!

In response to Dan, just because it is better here than other places,

doesn't mean it can't be improved. I agree that it is much better here than

other places, i've relocated here from Orlando, Florida, there is no

comparison what so ever. what you complain about dealing with monthly, i

used to deal with daily.

From: John Judy <john_-@comcast.net>

Reply-To: john_-@comcast.net

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland - The City That Works... To assault you.

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:07:05 -0700

I have contacted his boss and I will be speaking with him tomorrow. I will

also attempt to contact the Development Services Bureau Commissioner and

Bureau director. I am considering contacting the police as well, any

feedback on that idea? This seems like assault to me.

----- Original Message -----

From: ".David.Auker." <Dav-@Hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland - The City That Works... To assault you.

----- Original Message -----

From: "John Judy" <john_-@comcast.net>

I have a call in with the city. I'm wondering if it's worth the

trouble

to

call the cops (as they never do anything about anything anyway).

I think the City will be very interested in this. Let us know the

response.

I once had a City vehicle tailgating me down Woodstock Blvd...the fast

part

dropping west from 39th. We had a little talk, and he was rude. The

call

I

got back from the City was sympathetic; the driver I'm sure received

some

reprimand. I don't know "how many strikes and they're out," but

complaints

on a City employee's record can't be good.

Remember, they work for us! We are their employer. (Maybe a bit

fanciful,

but a good attitude anyway...)

David

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cmur-@obra.org

2004-10-15

Joseph Field [mailto:bi-@joefield.com] wrote:

"we should have an OBRA member who works in marketing, PR or media arrange a

presentation for interested reporters that would include names of victims

who would be available for interviews."

OBRA really could use a person (or people) to do media relations for much

more than just car vs. bike safety issues. In fact, I would argue that if

we were to put any effort towards media relations that the car vs. bike

issue, as important as it is, would be further down the list behind

publicizing bike races to potential participants, spectators and other road

users.

Mike Murray

bike

2004-10-15

Although it is considered bad form for Oregon attorneys to try our cases in the media, when I have cases with some visceral appeal, I get solicited by reporters who are hungry for material. When I deny their interview requests, they invariably ask for names of others in the case who might speak to them. From this experience, I have the impression that our local media is always looking for human interest stories.

I think that our problem with aggressive motorists is newsworthy for print, radio and television media. In my opinion, we should have an OBRA member who works in marketing, PR or media arrange a presentation for interested reporters that would include names of victims who would be available for interviews. I think that this should be an organized effort.

Our opinion about our plight is probably different from the public's. When I complain to non-riding friends about harrowing experiences with motorists, they generally respond with anecdotes about crazy bike riders running red lights and causing near accidents. As part of a solution to this problem, perhaps we need to pressure our 2-wheeled peers to respect traffic laws. I work in downtown Portland and regularly see idiotic stunts on bicycles.

I think that the ultimate goal of a media program would be to pressure our court system to prosecute reckless drivers who attempt to run bikers off the road. Media coverage of prosecutions might make other reckless drivers think twice before they use us for target practice. It would be good to hear from a media-savvy volunteer out there in OBRA land who could coordinate such an effort.

-Joe

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From: jo-@aracnet.com [mailto:jo-@aracnet.com]

Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:53 AM

To: Dan Feiner; john_-@comcast.net; ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland - The City That Works... To assault

you.

Okay folks...

My neighbor is a reporter for KGW. Her name is Stephanie Stricklan. I mentioned the events of the past few weeks to her one eve about a week ago. She said to contact her at KGW, along with the information. She can then collect the information and look into the story in greater detail.

It is one thing to complain about the horrors to our own community. What is needed is to get the story out to the community at large.

Joe

Dan Feiner <da-@danfeiner.com> wrote :

Hi John: Assault, in all four of its references in the Oregon statutes

requires an injury to the victim. It is graded largely based on the manner

of infliction and the degree of the injury. There is no battery crime in

Oregon. However, you can have an attempted assault when injury is attempted

but not inflicted. Also a car is potentially a dangerous weapon so using it

to attempt to inflict injury is, if I recall correctly, a B felony which is

very serious indeed. There are also a host of other potential offenses,

reckless driving, reckless endangerment, menacing etc that might fit your

fact pattern. Dan

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jo-@aracnet.com

2004-10-15

Okay folks...

My neighbor is a reporter for KGW. Her name is Stephanie Stricklan. I mentioned the events of the past few weeks to her one eve about a week ago. She said to contact her at KGW, along with the information. She can then collect the information and look into the story in greater detail.

It is one thing to complain about the horrors to our own community. What is needed is to get the story out to the community at large.

Joe

Dan Feiner <da-@danfeiner.com> wrote :

Hi John: Assault, in all four of its references in the Oregon statutes

requires an injury to the victim. It is graded largely based on the manner

of infliction and the degree of the injury. There is no battery crime in

Oregon. However, you can have an attempted assault when injury is attempted

but not inflicted. Also a car is potentially a dangerous weapon so using it

to attempt to inflict injury is, if I recall correctly, a B felony which is

very serious indeed. There are also a host of other potential offenses,

reckless driving, reckless endangerment, menacing etc that might fit your

fact pattern. Dan

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Dan Feiner

2004-10-15

Hi John: Assault, in all four of its references in the Oregon statutes

requires an injury to the victim. It is graded largely based on the manner

of infliction and the degree of the injury. There is no battery crime in

Oregon. However, you can have an attempted assault when injury is attempted

but not inflicted. Also a car is potentially a dangerous weapon so using it

to attempt to inflict injury is, if I recall correctly, a B felony which is

very serious indeed. There are also a host of other potential offenses,

reckless driving, reckless endangerment, menacing etc that might fit your

fact pattern. Dan

John Judy

2004-10-15

That's battery.

I will be speaking to his supervisor today, I wrote Randy Leonard, and I

will be filing a police report today.

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan H [mailto:br-@politesociety.com]

Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 6:04 PM

To: john_-@comcast.net

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland - The City That Works... To assault you.

I think assault has to involve some kind of physical contact.

----- Original Message -----

From: "John Judy" <john_-@comcast.net>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland - The City That Works... To assault you.

I have contacted his boss and I will be speaking with him tomorrow. I

will

also attempt to contact the Development Services Bureau Commissioner and

Bureau director. I am considering contacting the police as well, any

feedback on that idea? This seems like assault to me.

----- Original Message -----

From: ".David.Auker." <Dav-@Hevanet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Portland - The City That Works... To assault you.

----- Original Message -----

From: "John Judy" <john_-@comcast.net>

I have a call in with the city. I'm wondering if it's worth the