Keith A. Prior

Politics is stupid

Steven B

My delete button is worn out, please make it stop!!!

:)





--- Peter Murphy <murphy_-@hotmail.com> wrote:



 

More debunking...



http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/tides.asp







Pete Murphy



"I don't care about what they say,

cuz i won't live or die that way" ---Social

Distortion













 From: Michael O'Hair <moh-@easystreet.com>

Reply-To: moh-@easystreet.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop

Sinclair/OT and Long

 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:56:34 -0700







 

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/225

  



This web site is well worth reading. Just don't do

anything dangerous like

 drinking coffee while you do. This is seriously

right wing outfit that has

 a very well developed rhetoric and takes the stand

that they are "pro

 consumer."   In fact, the copyright is by the

"Center for Consumer

 Freedom."



Here is an excerpt that rants on the "leftist"

Tides Foundation.

 

<Begin Quote>



In order to get an idea of the massive scale on

which the Tides Foundation

 plays its shell game, consider that Tides has

collected over $200 million

 since 1997, most of it from other foundations. The

list of grantees who

 eventually received these funds includes many of

the most notorious

 anti-consumer groups in U.S. history: Greenpeace,

the Natural Resources

 Defense Council (NRDC), Environmental Media

Services, Environmental Working

 Group, and even fringe groups like the now-defunct

Mothers & Others for a

 Livable Planet (which used actress Meryl Streep to

"front" the 1989

 Alar-on-apples health scare fraud for NRDC).



<End Quote>



Gotta keep America safe from those whale-huggers,

right?

 

The article also quotes Steven Greenhut, a reporter

from the Orange County

 Register, calling the Tides Foundation "a network

of the loony left." For

 those of you too young to remember the Vietnam War,

Orange County was

 severely pro-war, until the draft threatened rich

white kids. The bias in

 handing out deferrments by the Orange County draft

board was so extreme

 that

the feds were called in. If you were black, brown,

or poor white, you were

 going to Nam. If your parents were rich white

country club members, you

 got

a deferrment. Forty years later, the same bias is

shown in the racial

 profile of the "new volunteer Army." Read

yesterday's editorial in the

 Oregonian about this.



Years ago, Huey Long said that if fascism should

take over in America, it

 would be under the name of "one hundred percent

Americanism." It appears

 to

be coming true.



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More debunking...



http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/tides.asp







Pete Murphy



"I don't care about what they say,

cuz i won't live or die that way" ---Social Distortion













 From: Michael O'Hair <moh-@easystreet.com>

Reply-To: moh-@easystreet.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair/OT and Long

Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:56:34 -0700







 http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/225

This web site is well worth reading. Just don't do anything dangerous like

drinking coffee while you do. This is seriously right wing outfit that has

a very well developed rhetoric and takes the stand that they are "pro

consumer."   In fact, the copyright is by the "Center for Consumer

Freedom."



Here is an excerpt that rants on the "leftist" Tides Foundation.



<Begin Quote>



In order to get an idea of the massive scale on which the Tides Foundation

plays its shell game, consider that Tides has collected over $200 million

since 1997, most of it from other foundations. The list of grantees who

eventually received these funds includes many of the most notorious

anti-consumer groups in U.S. history: Greenpeace, the Natural Resources

Defense Council (NRDC), Environmental Media Services, Environmental Working

Group, and even fringe groups like the now-defunct Mothers & Others for a

Livable Planet (which used actress Meryl Streep to "front" the 1989

Alar-on-apples health scare fraud for NRDC).



<End Quote>



Gotta keep America safe from those whale-huggers, right?



The article also quotes Steven Greenhut, a reporter from the Orange County

Register, calling the Tides Foundation "a network of the loony left." For

those of you too young to remember the Vietnam War, Orange County was

severely pro-war, until the draft threatened rich white kids. The bias in

handing out deferrments by the Orange County draft board was so extreme

that

the feds were called in. If you were black, brown, or poor white, you were

going to Nam. If your parents were rich white country club members, you

got

a deferrment. Forty years later, the same bias is shown in the racial

profile of the "new volunteer Army." Read yesterday's editorial in the

Oregonian about this.



Years ago, Huey Long said that if fascism should take over in America, it

would be under the name of "one hundred percent Americanism." It appears

to

be coming true.



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david baker

Right Michael,

People selflessly giving money to organizations, to support causes they

believe in, which usually are pro environment. What a crime. Too bad

liberals can't poke fun at any conservative organizations like this.



----- Original Message -----

From: "Michael O'Hair" <moh-@easystreet.com>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair/OT and Long





 



 http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/225

This web site is well worth reading. Just don't do anything dangerous

like

drinking coffee while you do. This is seriously right wing outfit that

has

a very well developed rhetoric and takes the stand that they are "pro

consumer."   In fact, the copyright is by the "Center for Consumer

Freedom."



Here is an excerpt that rants on the "leftist" Tides Foundation.



<Begin Quote>



In order to get an idea of the massive scale on which the Tides Foundation

plays its shell game, consider that Tides has collected over $200 million

since 1997, most of it from other foundations. The list of grantees who

eventually received these funds includes many of the most notorious

anti-consumer groups in U.S. history: Greenpeace, the Natural Resources

Defense Council (NRDC), Environmental Media Services, Environmental

Working

Group, and even fringe groups like the now-defunct Mothers & Others for a

Livable Planet (which used actress Meryl Streep to "front" the 1989

Alar-on-apples health scare fraud for NRDC).



<End Quote>



Gotta keep America safe from those whale-huggers, right?



The article also quotes Steven Greenhut, a reporter from the Orange County

Register, calling the Tides Foundation "a network of the loony left." For

those of you too young to remember the Vietnam War, Orange County was

severely pro-war, until the draft threatened rich white kids. The bias in

handing out deferrments by the Orange County draft board was so extreme

that

the feds were called in. If you were black, brown, or poor white, you

were

going to Nam. If your parents were rich white country club members, you

got

a deferrment. Forty years later, the same bias is shown in the racial

profile of the "new volunteer Army." Read yesterday's editorial in the

Oregonian about this.



Years ago, Huey Long said that if fascism should take over in America, it

would be under the name of "one hundred percent Americanism." It appears

to

be coming true.



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

To respond to the list manager send to cmur-@obra.org

To unsubscribe send to obra-uns-@topica.com

Michael O'Hair

 http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/225

This web site is well worth reading. Just don't do anything dangerous like

drinking coffee while you do. This is seriously right wing outfit that has

a very well developed rhetoric and takes the stand that they are "pro

consumer."   In fact, the copyright is by the "Center for Consumer Freedom."



Here is an excerpt that rants on the "leftist" Tides Foundation.



<Begin Quote>



In order to get an idea of the massive scale on which the Tides Foundation

plays its shell game, consider that Tides has collected over $200 million

since 1997, most of it from other foundations. The list of grantees who

eventually received these funds includes many of the most notorious

anti-consumer groups in U.S. history: Greenpeace, the Natural Resources

Defense Council (NRDC), Environmental Media Services, Environmental Working

Group, and even fringe groups like the now-defunct Mothers & Others for a

Livable Planet (which used actress Meryl Streep to "front" the 1989

Alar-on-apples health scare fraud for NRDC).



<End Quote>



Gotta keep America safe from those whale-huggers, right?



The article also quotes Steven Greenhut, a reporter from the Orange County

Register, calling the Tides Foundation "a network of the loony left." For

those of you too young to remember the Vietnam War, Orange County was

severely pro-war, until the draft threatened rich white kids. The bias in

handing out deferrments by the Orange County draft board was so extreme that

the feds were called in. If you were black, brown, or poor white, you were

going to Nam. If your parents were rich white country club members, you got

a deferrment. Forty years later, the same bias is shown in the racial

profile of the "new volunteer Army." Read yesterday's editorial in the

Oregonian about this.



Years ago, Huey Long said that if fascism should take over in America, it

would be under the name of "one hundred percent Americanism." It appears to

be coming true.

Peter Murphy

Here is the link to the de-bunking of that P.O.S. article. Before anyone

forwards any "factual" email, one should check out snopes.com to make sure

it is true.



http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/secret.asp



Pete Murphy



i'm a 21st century digital boy,

i don't know how to read

but i've got a lot of toys,

my daddy is a lazy middle class intellectual,

my mommy's on valium, she's so ineffectual,

ain't life a mystery? ---Bad Religion













 From: Peter Murphy <murphy_-@hotmail.com>

Reply-To: murphy_-@hotmail.com

To: bra-@bigfoot.com, ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair/OT and Long

Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:40:01 -0700



check out snopes.com....that is total BS







Pete Murphy











 From: "Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com>

Reply-To: bra-@bigfoot.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair/OT and Long

Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:48:20 +0000



Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how

I will vote in November. Flame on.



Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like

or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will

pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in



the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to

be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.

He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even

richer.

Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When

someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family

as well as their property - for as long as the president and his

spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million



As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more



than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

won't

mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home

will

come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the

properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property.

Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense

off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York

manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required

secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more

than

his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he

pockets

the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he

gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from



defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,

so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service

agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property

would

require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the

rest

of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we

pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration.

Do

the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets

say

each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include

insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will

also be

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary

and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can

only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the

facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each

facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch

in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I

wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those

abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all

but

two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does

it

make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when

he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern

about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's

his

party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy

properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security.

Which

America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!



Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your

friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend



millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent

properties.

We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs.

Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!







Adams, Mike wrote:

 

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST



-----Original Message-----

From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM

To: obra

Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.



Sincerely,



Bush Supporter



----- Original Message -----

From: <danand-@comcast.net>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





 

danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair

Broadcast

  Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days

before

  the election.



danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and sign the

petition at http://www.StopSinclair.org



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Peter Murphy

check out snopes.com....that is total BS







Pete Murphy











 From: "Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com>

Reply-To: bra-@bigfoot.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair/OT and Long

Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:48:20 +0000



Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how

I will vote in November. Flame on.



Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like

or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will

pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in



the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to

be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.

He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even

richer.

Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When

someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family

as well as their property - for as long as the president and his

spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million



As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more



than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

won't

mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home

will

come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the

properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property.

Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense

off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York

manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required

secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more

than

his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he

pockets

the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he

gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from



defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,

so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service

agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property

would

require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the

rest

of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we

pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration.

Do

the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets

say

each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include

insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will

also be

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary

and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can

only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the

facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each

facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch

in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I

wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those

abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all

but

two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does

it

make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when

he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern

about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's

his

party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy

properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security.

Which

America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!



Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your

friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend



millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent

properties.

We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs.

Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!







Adams, Mike wrote:

 

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST



-----Original Message-----

From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM

To: obra

Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.



Sincerely,



Bush Supporter



----- Original Message -----

From: <danand-@comcast.net>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





 

danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair

Broadcast

  Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days

before

  the election.



danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and sign the

petition at http://www.StopSinclair.org



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Brad Cockman, DC

My last post on this topic.



Throw the Teresa Heinz-Kerry ingredients into the mix and see what you

come up with:



http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/225



Scroll about a quarter of the way down.



Enjoy!



PS I sent in my ballot yesterday, so don't feel the need to e-me

directly.









Michael Hoyt wrote:

 

We went from a surplus economy to the largest defecit ever under Bush.

The size of the government has GROWN over 20% under Bush. We attacked a

soverign country without provocation for the first time in our country's



history in an elective war that by all objective accounts is spinning

out of control under Bush. We've relaxed enviornmental standards and

decided that the best way to save trees is to just cut them down under

Bush. We were attacked by a band of rebels most of whom were Saudis

funded by Saudis, but Bush has yet to deal with Saudi Arabia. We are

holding prisoners, some of them US citizens without charge, without

access to our justice system, indefinately under Bush. In the few cases

where the courts have compelled the government to justify their

captivity, they've been let go, because they couldn't come up with a

reason to hold them. Don't give me the "they want to kill us" crap. If

there's reason to imprison them, do it, but what's the reason to hold

someone that you have to let go when you can't justify their captivity?

The list could go and go and go.



If you are a litmus test anti-abortionist or a greedy person who already



makes more than a million dollars per year, I can understand you support



for continuing down this path.



Only in the modern media driven 24 hour news cycle could this contest be



close. The media has a strong financial interest in seeing another Bush

presidency because he is in favor of media consolidation, a move that

will ultimately change democracy as we know it. Pundits stick to their

talking points saying up is down and black is white knowing a

significant number of Americans don't listen at all or won't bother

verifying what they say. Fifty years ago, a doof like Bush wouldn't have



even made it out of the original primary.



This isn't sport where you continue cheering for your team even when

management trades the star players and calls plays so poorly that your

team gets beaten routinely. This is our children's future. As it stands

they will inherit massive debt that has to be paid back some day

regardless what the politicos tell you. They'll live in a world much

more dangerous and much more hostile towards Americans all because of

the actions of this president.



Its time to let him go.



M

Michael Hoyt

We went from a surplus economy to the largest defecit ever under Bush.

The size of the government has GROWN over 20% under Bush. We attacked a

soverign country without provocation for the first time in our country's

history in an elective war that by all objective accounts is spinning

out of control under Bush. We've relaxed enviornmental standards and

decided that the best way to save trees is to just cut them down under

Bush. We were attacked by a band of rebels most of whom were Saudis

funded by Saudis, but Bush has yet to deal with Saudi Arabia. We are

holding prisoners, some of them US citizens without charge, without

access to our justice system, indefinately under Bush. In the few cases

where the courts have compelled the government to justify their

captivity, they've been let go, because they couldn't come up with a

reason to hold them. Don't give me the "they want to kill us" crap. If

there's reason to imprison them, do it, but what's the reason to hold

someone that you have to let go when you can't justify their captivity?

The list could go and go and go.



If you are a litmus test anti-abortionist or a greedy person who already

makes more than a million dollars per year, I can understand you support

for continuing down this path.



Only in the modern media driven 24 hour news cycle could this contest be

close. The media has a strong financial interest in seeing another Bush

presidency because he is in favor of media consolidation, a move that

will ultimately change democracy as we know it. Pundits stick to their

talking points saying up is down and black is white knowing a

significant number of Americans don't listen at all or won't bother

verifying what they say. Fifty years ago, a doof like Bush wouldn't have

even made it out of the original primary.



This isn't sport where you continue cheering for your team even when

management trades the star players and calls plays so poorly that your

team gets beaten routinely. This is our children's future. As it stands

they will inherit massive debt that has to be paid back some day

regardless what the politicos tell you. They'll live in a world much

more dangerous and much more hostile towards Americans all because of

the actions of this president.



Its time to let him go.



M

oregon-@comcast.net

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This whole thread, regardless of one's polticial viewpoint, is pretty juvenile. None of this will change any minds, no matter how long or carefully written the email might be; and the attempts at pithy comments aren't very pithy at all.

Can we please get back to cycling?

Peter

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<P>This whole thread, regardless of one's polticial viewpoint, is pretty juvenile.  None of this will change any minds, no matter how long or carefully written the email might be; and the attempts at pithy comments aren't very pithy at all. </P>

<P>Can we please get back to cycling?</P>

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This whole thread, regardless of one's polticial viewpoint, is pretty juvenile. None of this will change any minds, no matter how long or carefully written the email might be; and the attempts at pithy comments aren't very pithy at all.

Can we please get back to cycling?

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<P>This whole thread, regardless of one's polticial viewpoint, is pretty juvenile.  None of this will change any minds, no matter how long or carefully written the email might be; and the attempts at pithy comments aren't very pithy at all. </P>

<P>Can we please get back to cycling?</P>

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----- Original Message -----

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To: "Edward Lanton" <Anqu-@yahoo.com>; "Obra Chat" <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:36 AM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair/OT and Long





 Oh Ed, dont you know?



bushie 'captures' Osama everyday. He does it in his special edition XBox

that he got for Xmas from Dick Cheney.

 

Edward Lanton <Anqu-@yahoo.com> wrote :



 No problem about the extra houses, Brad.  We'll just use some of

the$500 million dollar surplus we've got. Oooops, that was Clinton's. 

I guess well just have to add to the 417 trillion debt we've got from the

Credit Card President.  I get confused becuase I was thinking too much

about Osama bin Laden.  No, I never think about him.  Wait, yes I

do, I never said that. Must be another one of them 'xagerations'

   

"Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com> wrote:

My previous post was cut and pasted from an e-mail that was sent to me.

Food for thought, regardless of your political agenda.Brad Cockman, DC

wrote:> > Thought I would share some information that is helping me

decide how > I will vote in November. Flame on.> > Most of us

haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like > or dislike

John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering. > If elected,

you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will > pay upkeep and

secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in > > > the

United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to > be

John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered. > He

is one of the richest senators in government and he married even >

richer. &!

  gt; Their

properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When > someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family > as well as their property - for as long as the president

and his > spouse lives! > Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million > >

As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several >

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more

   than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the

rent was > free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric

bills (we > won't > mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks

and house keepers). > Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their

"shanty") > If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed

secret > service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each

home > will > come a!

  t tax

payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the > properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property. > Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes

all the expense > off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for

his New York > manor house by charging the government monthly rent for

the required > secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three

times more > than > his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are

buying his house and he > pockets > the extra money from the rent on

the secret service facility. The he > gets to write off the interest on

his mortgage. Well, he was broke from > > > defending his immoral

skullduggery and his wife's little scandals, > so maybe we should feel

sorry for poor old Slick Wi!

  llie.

 Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million > Ketchum, Idaho $4.92

million > What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret

service > agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each

property > would > require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365

days a year for the > rest > of Kerry's life and however long his

widow might live. In addition, we > pay to house and feed these agents at

each property for the duration. > Do > the math. Five properties

requiring five agents per shift, times four > shifts. That is 20 agents

per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets > > say > each agent

receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include > insurance,

retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will > also be >

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary >

and benefits for 100 agen!

  ts for

one year would cost $7,800,000. We can > only guess at the cost of

retrofitting each property, building the > facility necessary to house

the agents and the monthly rent for each > facility. > Nantucket, MA

$9.18 million > On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one

at his ranch > in Crawford, Texas. > Again, who pays? You and I pay. I

don't mind one property; heck I > wouldn't even complain about two - but

five in the U.S. and those > abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should

offer to foot the bill for all > > but > two of these properties if

they want me to consider his candidacy. Does > > it > make sense to

spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when > he and Mrs.

Heinz-Kerry can better afford it?? > Paying for the Kerry mansions is

only a small part of my concern > about this man sitting in the White

House. Tax and spend!

  Kerry -

that's > > his > party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd

spend protecting his fancy > properties go toward health care, our

military and homeland security. > Which > America does he live in??

Not the same one I live in - that's for sure! > > > Please pass the

mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your > friends. Let's keep

Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend > > > millions

and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent > >

properties. > We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving

programs. > Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup! > > > > Adams,

Mike wrote:> > > > YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING

ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY

IS THE ANTI-CHRIST> > > > -----Original Message-----> &gt!

  ; From:

David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]> > Sent: Thursday,

October 21, 2004 5:53 PM> > To: obra> > Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat]

An invitation to Stop Sinclair> > > > > > Pretty bold of

you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.> > > >

Sincerely,> > > > Bush Supporter> > > > -----

Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent:

Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] An

invitation to Stop Sinclair> > > > > > >> > >

danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast >

  Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days

before > > > the election.> > >> > >

danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and si!

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Oh Ed, dont you know?



bushie 'captures' Osama everyday. He does it in his special edition XBox that he got for Xmas from Dick Cheney.



Edward Lanton <Anqu-@yahoo.com> wrote :



 No problem about the extra houses, Brad.  We'll just use some of the$500 million dollar surplus we've got. Oooops, that was Clinton's.  I guess well just have to add to the 417 trillion debt we've got from the Credit Card President.  I get confused becuase I was thinking too much about Osama bin Laden.  No, I never think about him.  Wait, yes I do, I never said that. Must be another one of them 'xagerations'

 

"Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com> wrote:

My previous post was cut and pasted from an e-mail that was sent to me. Food for thought, regardless of your political agenda.Brad Cockman, DC wrote:> > Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how > I will vote in November. Flame on.> > Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like > or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering. > If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will > pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in > > > the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to > be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered. > He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even > richer. &!

gt; Their

properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When > someone > is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and > family > as well as their property - for as long as the president and his > spouse lives! > Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million > > As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several > foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more > > > than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was > free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we > won't > mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers). > Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty") > If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret > service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home > will > come a!

t tax

payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the > properties > they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend. > Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each > property. > Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense > off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York > manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required > secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more > than > his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he > pockets > the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he > gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from > > > defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals, > so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Wi!

llie.

 Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million > Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million > What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service > agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property > would > require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the > rest > of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we > pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration. > Do > the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four > shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets > > say > each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include > insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will > also be > vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary > and benefits for 100 agen!

ts for

one year would cost $7,800,000. We can > only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the > facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each > facility. > Nantucket, MA $9.18 million > On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch > in Crawford, Texas. > Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I > wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those > abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all > > but > two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does > > it > make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when > he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it?? > Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern > about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend!

Kerry -

that's > > his > party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy > properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security. > Which > America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure! > > > Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your > friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend > > > millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent > > properties. > We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs. > Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup! > > > > Adams, Mike wrote:> > > > YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST> > > > -----Original Message-----> &gt!

; From:

David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM> > To: obra> > Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair> > > > > > Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Bush Supporter> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair> > > > > > >> > > danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast > > > Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before > > > the election.> > >> > > danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and si!

gn the

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el bushie has cost us far more in terms of monetary terms than we can possibly imagine.



John Forbes <johnf-@msn.com> wrote :



 What in the name of the gods are you suggesting? Should we vote for an fool

such as Bush, who is pretty darn rich himself,  because Kerry is rich? What

kind of idiotic drivel is that? Bush is destroying our nation, that will "cost"

us far more.

John Forbes2126 NE 12th Ave. Portland, OR

97212503-331-6658



   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Brad Cockman, DC

   To: ob-@topica.com

   Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:48

   PM

   Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to

   Stop Sinclair/OT and Long

   Thought I would share some information that is helping me

   decide how I will vote in November. Flame on. Most of us

   haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like or dislike John

   Kerry.  Even an estimate of this cost is staggering. If elected, you

   and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will pay upkeep and secret

   service protection for five Kerry mansions here in the United States

   plus those he and his wife own abroad.  It is good to be John F.

   Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.   He

   is one of the richest senators in government and he married even richer.

   Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle.  When

   someone is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this

   person and family as well as their property - for as long as the

   president and his spouse lives! Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million

     As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

   foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more

   than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

   free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

   won't mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house

   keepers). Fox Chapel, PA  $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

   If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

   service security 24 hours a day.  Security improvements to each home

   will come at tax payer expense.  Even if the Kerry's never use

   all the properties they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop

   by for a weekend. Facilities for the secret service agents must also be

   provided on each property. Who do you think will pay for this? We pay!

   This takes all the expense off Kerry and puts it on us.  Bill Clinton

   is paying for his New York manor house by charging the government monthly

   rent for the required secret service facility.  The monthly rent is

   nearly three times more than his mortgage payment.  So we the tax

   payers are buying his house and he pockets the extra money from the

   rent on the secret service facility.  The he gets to write off the

   interest on his mortgage.  Well, he was broke from defending his

   immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals, so maybe we should

   feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie. Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7

   million Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million What does it cost to staff one

   property in terms of secret service agents? Let's just talk about his

   American properties.  Each property would require 5 agents per 6

   hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the rest of Kerry's life

   and however long his widow might live.  In addition, we pay to house

   and feed these agents at each property for the duration.  Do the

   math.  Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

   shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. 

   Lets say each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't

   include insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). 

   There will also be vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous

   costs. Straight salary and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost

   $7,800,000.  We can only guess at the cost of retrofitting each

   property, building the facility necessary to house the agents and the

   monthly rent for each facility. Nantucket, MA $9.18 million On the

   other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch in Crawford,

   Texas. Again, who pays?  You and I pay.  I don't mind one

   property; heck I wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S.

   and those abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill

   for all but two of these properties if they want me to consider his

   candidacy.  Does it make sense to spend this kind of money on his

   excessive life style when he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

   Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern about

   this man sitting in the White House.  Tax and spend Kerry - that's

   his party motto.  I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting

   his fancy properties go toward health care, our military and homeland

   security.  Which America does he live in??  Not the same one

   I live in - that's for sure! Please pass the mustard; do America a

   favor and pass this to your friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the

   White House rather than spend millions and millions to protect Kerry's

   preferred lifestyle and opulent properties. We'd save an incredible

   amount of money for more deserving programs. Oh, and viva Del Monte

   Ketchup! Adams, Mike wrote:> > YOU HAVE GOT TO

   BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> NO!!!!! NO!!!!!

   NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST> > -----Original

   Message-----> From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]>

   Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM> To: obra> Subject: Fw:

   [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair> > > Pretty

   bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.> >

   Sincerely,> > Bush Supporter> > ----- Original

   Message ----- > From: <danand-@comcast.net>>

   To: <ob-@topica.com>> Sent: Thursday,

   October 21, 2004 4:43 PM> Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop

   Sinclair> > > >> > danand-@comcast.net signed the

   petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast > > Corporation from airing an

   anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before > > the

   election.> >> > danand-@comcast.net is

   inviting you to learn more and sign the > > petition at http://www.StopSinclair.org&gt;

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No problem about the extra houses, Brad. We'll just use some of the$500 million dollar surplus we've got. Oooops, that was Clinton's. I guess well just have to add to the 417 trillion debt we've got from the Credit Card President. I get confused becuase I was thinking too much about Osama bin Laden. No, I never think about him. Wait, yes I do, I never said that. Must be another one of them 'xagerations'







"Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com> wrote:

My previous post was cut and pasted from an e-mail that was sent to me.

Food for thought, regardless of your political agenda.



Brad Cockman, DC wrote:

 

Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how

I will vote in November. Flame on.



Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like

or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will

pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in





the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to

be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.

He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even

richer.

Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When

someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family

as well as their property - for as long as the president and his

spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million



As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more





than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

won't

mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home

will

come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the

properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property.

Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense

off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York

manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required

secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more

than

his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he

pockets

the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he

gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from





defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,

so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service

agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property

would

require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the

rest

of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we

pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration.

Do

the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets



say

each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include

insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will

also be

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary

and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can

only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the

facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each

facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch

in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I

wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those

abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all



but

two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does



it

make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when

he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern

about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's



his

party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy

properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security.

Which

America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!





Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your

friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend





millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent



properties.

We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs.

Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!







Adams, Mike wrote:

 

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST



-----Original Message-----

From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM

To: obra

Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.



Sincerely,



Bush Supporter



----- Original Message -----

From:

To:

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





 

danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast

Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before

the election.



danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and sign the

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<DIV>No problem about the extra houses, Brad.  We'll just use some of the$500 million dollar surplus we've got. Oooops, that was Clinton's.  I guess well just have to add to the 417 trillion debt we've got from the Credit Card President.  I get confused becuase I was thinking too much about Osama bin Laden.  No, I never think about him.  Wait, yes I do, I never said that. Must be another one of them 'xagerations'</DIV>

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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">My previous post was cut and pasted from an e-mail that was sent to me. <BR>Food for thought, regardless of your political agenda.<BR><BR>Brad Cockman, DC wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how <BR>> I will vote in November. Flame on.<BR>> <BR>> Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like <BR>> or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering. <BR>> If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will <BR>> pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to <BR>> be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered. <BR>> He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even <BR>> richer. <BR>> Their

properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When <BR>> someone <BR>> is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and <BR>> family <BR>> as well as their property - for as long as the president and his <BR>> spouse lives! <BR>> Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million <BR>> <BR>> As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several <BR>> foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was <BR>> free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we <BR>> won't <BR>> mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers). <BR>> Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty") <BR>> If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret <BR>> service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home <BR>> will <BR>> come at tax

payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the <BR>> properties <BR>> they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend. <BR>> Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each <BR>> property. <BR>> Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense <BR>> off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York <BR>> manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required <BR>> secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more <BR>> than <BR>> his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he <BR>> pockets <BR>> the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he <BR>> gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals, <BR>> so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

<BR>> Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million <BR>> Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million <BR>> What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service <BR>> agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property <BR>> would <BR>> require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the <BR>> rest <BR>> of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we <BR>> pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration. <BR>> Do <BR>> the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four <BR>> shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets <BR>> <BR>> say <BR>> each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include <BR>> insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will <BR>> also be <BR>> vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary <BR>> and benefits for 100 agents for

one year would cost $7,800,000. We can <BR>> only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the <BR>> facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each <BR>> facility. <BR>> Nantucket, MA $9.18 million <BR>> On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch <BR>> in Crawford, Texas. <BR>> Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I <BR>> wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those <BR>> abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all <BR>> <BR>> but <BR>> two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does <BR>> <BR>> it <BR>> make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when <BR>> he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it?? <BR>> Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern <BR>> about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry -

that's <BR>> <BR>> his <BR>> party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy <BR>> properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security. <BR>> Which <BR>> America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure! <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your <BR>> friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent <BR>> <BR>> properties. <BR>> We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs. <BR>> Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup! <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Adams, Mike wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>> > NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST<BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From:

David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]<BR>> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM<BR>> > To: obra<BR>> > Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.<BR>> > <BR>> > Sincerely,<BR>> > <BR>> > Bush Supporter<BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: <DANAND-@COMCAST.NET><BR>> > To: <OB-@TOPICA.COM><BR>> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM<BR>> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > ><BR>> > > danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast <BR>> > > Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before <BR>> > > the election.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and sign the

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A small price to pay to be rid of the worst president in recent memory!



Jeff





"Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com> wrote:

Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how

I will vote in November. Flame on.



Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like

or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will

pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in



the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to

be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.

He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even

richer.

Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When

someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family

as well as their property - for as long as the president and his

spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million



As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more



than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

won't

mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home

will

come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the

properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property.

Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense

off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York

manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required

secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more

than

his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he

pockets

the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he

gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from



defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,

so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service

agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property

would

require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the

rest

of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we

pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration.

Do

the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets

say

each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include

insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will

also be

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary

and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can

only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the

facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each

facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch

in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I

wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those

abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all

but

two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does

it

make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when

he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern

about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's

his

party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy

properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security.

Which

America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!



Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your

friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend



millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent

properties.

We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs.

Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!







Adams, Mike wrote:

 

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST



-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM

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Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.



Sincerely,



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<DIV><BR>A small price to pay to be rid of the worst president in recent memory!</DIV>

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<DIV>Jeff </DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV><BR><B><I>"Brad Cockman, DC" <bra-@bigfoot.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how <BR>I will vote in November. Flame on.<BR><BR>Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like <BR>or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering. <BR>If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will <BR>pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in <BR><BR>the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to <BR>be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered. <BR>He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even <BR>richer. <BR>Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When <BR>someone <BR>is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and <BR>family <BR>as well as their property - for as long as the president and his <BR>spouse lives!

<BR>Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million <BR><BR>As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several <BR>foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more <BR><BR>than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was <BR>free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we <BR>won't <BR>mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers). <BR>Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty") <BR>If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret <BR>service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home <BR>will <BR>come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the <BR>properties <BR>they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend. <BR>Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each <BR>property. <BR>Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense <BR>off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton

is paying for his New York <BR>manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required <BR>secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more <BR>than <BR>his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he <BR>pockets <BR>the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he <BR>gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from <BR><BR>defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals, <BR>so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie. <BR>Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million <BR>Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million <BR>What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service <BR>agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property <BR>would <BR>require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the <BR>rest <BR>of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we <BR>pay to house and feed these agents at each

property for the duration. <BR>Do <BR>the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four <BR>shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets <BR>say <BR>each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include <BR>insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will <BR>also be <BR>vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary <BR>and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can <BR>only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the <BR>facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each <BR>facility. <BR>Nantucket, MA $9.18 million <BR>On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch <BR>in Crawford, Texas. <BR>Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I <BR>wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those <BR>abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for

all <BR>but <BR>two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does <BR>it <BR>make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when <BR>he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it?? <BR>Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern <BR>about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's <BR>his <BR>party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy <BR>properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security. <BR>Which <BR>America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure! <BR><BR>Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your <BR>friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend <BR><BR>millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent <BR>properties. <BR>We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs. <BR>Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup! <BR><BR><BR><BR>Adams, Mike

wrote:<BR>> <BR>> YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>> NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST<BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]<BR>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM<BR>> To: obra<BR>> Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.<BR>> <BR>> Sincerely,<BR>> <BR>> Bush Supporter<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <DANAND-@COMCAST.NET><BR>> To: <OB-@TOPICA.COM><BR>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM<BR>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ><BR>> > danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast <BR>> > Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before <BR>> > the

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What in the name of the gods are you suggesting? Should we vote for an fool such as Bush, who is pretty darn rich himself, because Kerry is rich? What kind of idiotic drivel is that? Bush is destroying our nation, that will "cost" us far more.

John Forbes

2126 NE 12th Ave.

Portland, OR 97212

503-331-6658

----- Original Message -----

From: Brad Cockman, DC<mailto:bra-@bigfoot.com>

To: ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:48 PM

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair/OT and Long





Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how

I will vote in November. Flame on.

   

Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like

or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will

pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in



the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to

be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.   

He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even

richer.

Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When

someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family

as well as their property - for as long as the president and his

spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million

    

As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more



than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

won't

mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home

will

come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the

properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property.

Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense

off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York

manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required

secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more

than

his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he

pockets

the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he

gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from



defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,

so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service

agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property

would

require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the

rest

of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we

pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration.

Do

the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets

say

each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include

insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will

also be

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary

and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can

only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the

facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each

facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch

in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I

wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those

abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all

but

two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does

it

make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when

he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern

about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's

his

party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy

properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security.

Which

America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!



Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your

friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend



millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent

properties.

We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs.

Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!







Adams, Mike wrote:

>

> YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]

> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM

> To: obra

> Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair

>

>

> Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Bush Supporter

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <danand-@comcast.net<mailto:danand-@comcast.net>>

> To: <ob-@topica.com<mailto:ob-@topica.com>>

> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM

> Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair

>

>

> >

> > danand-@comcast.net<mailto:danand-@comcast.net> signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast

> > Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before

> > the election.

> >

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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:bra-@bigfoot.com

href="mailto:bra-@bigfoot.com">Brad Cockman, DC</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:ob-@topica.com

href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> </DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:48

PM</DIV>

<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to

Stop Sinclair/OT and Long</DIV>

<DIV><BR></DIV>Thought I would share some information that is helping me

decide how <BR>I will vote in November. Flame on.<BR> <BR>Most of us

haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like <BR>or dislike John

Kerry.  Even an estimate of this cost is staggering. <BR>If elected, you

and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will <BR>pay upkeep and secret

service protection for five Kerry mansions here in <BR><BR>the United States

plus those he and his wife own abroad.  It is good to <BR>be John F.

Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.   <BR>He

is one of the richest senators in government and he married even <BR>richer.

<BR>Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle.  When

<BR>someone <BR>is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this

person and <BR>family <BR>as well as their property - for as long as the

president and his <BR>spouse lives! <BR>Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million

<BR>  <BR>As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

<BR>foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more

<BR><BR>than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

<BR>free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

<BR>won't <BR>mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house

keepers). <BR>Fox Chapel, PA  $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

<BR>If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

<BR>service security 24 hours a day.  Security improvements to each home

<BR>will <BR>come at tax payer expense.  Even if the Kerry's never use

all the <BR>properties <BR>they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop

by for a weekend. <BR>Facilities for the secret service agents must also be

provided on each <BR>property. <BR>Who do you think will pay for this? We pay!

This takes all the expense <BR>off Kerry and puts it on us.  Bill Clinton

is paying for his New York <BR>manor house by charging the government monthly

rent for the required <BR>secret service facility.  The monthly rent is

nearly three times more <BR>than <BR>his mortgage payment.  So we the tax

payers are buying his house and he <BR>pockets <BR>the extra money from the

rent on the secret service facility.  The he <BR>gets to write off the

interest on his mortgage.  Well, he was broke from <BR><BR>defending his

immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals, <BR>so maybe we should

feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie. <BR>Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7

million <BR>Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million <BR>What does it cost to staff one

property in terms of secret service <BR>agents? Let's just talk about his

American properties.  Each property <BR>would <BR>require 5 agents per 6

hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the <BR>rest <BR>of Kerry's life

and however long his widow might live.  In addition, we <BR>pay to house

and feed these agents at each property for the duration.  <BR>Do <BR>the

math.  Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

<BR>shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. 

Lets <BR>say <BR>each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't

include <BR>insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). 

There will <BR>also be <BR>vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous

costs. Straight salary <BR>and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost

$7,800,000.  We can <BR>only guess at the cost of retrofitting each

property, building the <BR>facility necessary to house the agents and the

monthly rent for each <BR>facility. <BR>Nantucket, MA $9.18 million <BR>On the

other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch <BR>in Crawford,

Texas. <BR>Again, who pays?  You and I pay.  I don't mind one

property; heck I <BR>wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S.

and those <BR>abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill

for all <BR>but <BR>two of these properties if they want me to consider his

candidacy.  Does <BR>it <BR>make sense to spend this kind of money on his

excessive life style when <BR>he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

<BR>Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern <BR>about

this man sitting in the White House.  Tax and spend Kerry - that's

<BR>his <BR>party motto.  I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting

his fancy <BR>properties go toward health care, our military and homeland

security.  <BR>Which <BR>America does he live in??  Not the same one

I live in - that's for sure! <BR><BR>Please pass the mustard; do America a

favor and pass this to your <BR>friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the

White House rather than spend <BR><BR>millions and millions to protect Kerry's

preferred lifestyle and opulent <BR>properties. <BR>We'd save an incredible

amount of money for more deserving programs. <BR>Oh, and viva Del Monte

Ketchup! <BR><BR><BR><BR>Adams, Mike wrote:<BR>> <BR>> YOU HAVE GOT TO

BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>> NO!!!!! NO!!!!!

NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST<BR>> <BR>> -----Original

Message-----<BR>> From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]<BR>>

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM<BR>> To: obra<BR>> Subject: Fw:

[OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Pretty

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Kurt Ward

Not food, probably just that last piece of gum in my pocket that picked

up some lint. I think it's pretty sad if

someone were to make the decision based on a little bit 'o money. If

there's oil involved, that's an entirely different story...





Brad Cockman, DC wrote:



 My previous post was cut and pasted from an e-mail that was sent to me.

Food for thought, regardless of your political agenda.



Brad Cockman, DC wrote:





 Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how

I will vote in November. Flame on.



Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like

or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will

pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in





the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to

be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.   

He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even

richer.

Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When

someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family

as well as their property - for as long as the president and his

spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million



As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more





than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

won't

mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home

will

come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the

properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property.

Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense

off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York

manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required

secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more

than

his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he

pockets

the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he

gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from





defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,

so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service

agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property

would

require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the

rest

of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we

pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration.

Do

the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets



say

each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include

insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will

also be

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary

and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can

only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the

facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each

facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch

in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I

wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those

abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all



but

two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does



it

make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when

he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern

about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's



his

party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy

properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security.

Which

America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!





Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your

friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend





millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent



properties.

We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs.

Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!







Adams, Mike wrote:

    



 YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST



-----Original Message-----

From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM

To: obra

Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.



Sincerely,



Bush Supporter



----- Original Message -----

From: <danand-@comcast.net>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





      



 danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast

Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before

the election.



danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and sign the

petition at http://www.StopSinclair.org



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Brad Cockman, DC

My previous post was cut and pasted from an e-mail that was sent to me.

Food for thought, regardless of your political agenda.



Brad Cockman, DC wrote:

 

Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how

I will vote in November. Flame on.



Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like

or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will

pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in





the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to

be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.   

He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even

richer.

Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When

someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family

as well as their property - for as long as the president and his

spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million

   

As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more





than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

won't

mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home

will

come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the

properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property.

Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense

off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York

manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required

secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more

than

his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he

pockets

the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he

gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from





defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,

so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service

agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property

would

require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the

rest

of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we

pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration.

Do

the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets



say

each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include

insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will

also be

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary

and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can

only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the

facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each

facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch

in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I

wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those

abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all



but

two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does



it

make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when

he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern

about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's



his

party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy

properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security.

Which

America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!





Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your

friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend





millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent



properties.

We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs.

Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!







Adams, Mike wrote:

 

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST



-----Original Message-----

From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM

To: obra

Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.



Sincerely,



Bush Supporter



----- Original Message -----

From: <danand-@comcast.net>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





 

danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast

Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before

the election.



danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and sign the

petition at http://www.StopSinclair.org



To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.

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Brad Cockman, DC

Thought I would share some information that is helping me decide how

I will vote in November. Flame on.



Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how much we like

or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate of this cost is staggering.

If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay taxes) will

pay upkeep and secret service protection for five Kerry mansions here in



the United States plus those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to

be John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you ever wondered.   

He is one of the richest senators in government and he married even

richer.

Their properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle. When

someone

is elected president, the Secret Service has to protect this person and

family

as well as their property - for as long as the president and his

spouse lives!

Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million



As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and several

foreignproperties. The cost to run one of these homes for a year is more



than upper middle income Americans could afford, even if the rent was

free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas & electric bills (we

won't

mention ground keepers, maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).

Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")

If Kerry becomes president each property requires staffed secret

service security 24 hours a day. Security improvements to each home

will

come at tax payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the

properties

they will be retrofitted -- just in case they drop by for a weekend.

Facilities for the secret service agents must also be provided on each

property.

Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes all the expense

off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill Clinton is paying for his New York

manor house by charging the government monthly rent for the required

secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly three times more

than

his mortgage payment. So we the tax payers are buying his house and he

pockets

the extra money from the rent on the secret service facility. The he

gets to write off the interest on his mortgage. Well, he was broke from



defending his immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,

so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick Willie.

Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million

Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million

What does it cost to staff one property in terms of secret service

agents? Let's just talk about his American properties. Each property

would

require 5 agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year for the

rest

of Kerry's life and however long his widow might live. In addition, we

pay to house and feed these agents at each property for the duration.

Do

the math. Five properties requiring five agents per shift, times four

shifts. That is 20 agents per day per property, 365 days per year. Lets

say

each agent receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include

insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for that). There will

also be

vehicles, repairs, gas, and other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary

and benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost $7,800,000. We can

only guess at the cost of retrofitting each property, building the

facility necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for each

facility.

Nantucket, MA $9.18 million

On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the one at his ranch

in Crawford, Texas.

Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one property; heck I

wouldn't even complain about two - but five in the U.S. and those

abroad? Perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all

but

two of these properties if they want me to consider his candidacy. Does

it

make sense to spend this kind of money on his excessive life style when

he and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??

Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of my concern

about this man sitting in the White House. Tax and spend Kerry - that's

his

party motto. I'd rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy

properties go toward health care, our military and homeland security.

Which

America does he live in?? Not the same one I live in - that's for sure!



Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass this to your

friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of the White House rather than spend



millions and millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and opulent

properties.

We'd save an incredible amount of money for more deserving programs.

Oh, and viva Del Monte Ketchup!







Adams, Mike wrote:

 

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKIN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!! KERRY IS THE ANTI-CHRIST



-----Original Message-----

From: David Oliphant [mailto:eh-@comcast.net]

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:53 PM

To: obra

Subject: Fw: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





Pretty bold of you to send this crap email out over the OBRA site.



Sincerely,



Bush Supporter



----- Original Message -----

From: <danand-@comcast.net>

To: <ob-@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:43 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] An invitation to Stop Sinclair





 

danand-@comcast.net signed the petition to stop Sinclair Broadcast

Corporation from airing an anti-John Kerry "documentary" 10 days before

the election.



danand-@comcast.net is inviting you to learn more and sign the

petition at http://www.StopSinclair.org



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